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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:41:59 PM EDT
...but I can't use the rear flip-up cover because the bolt handle hits it on the way back.
Ar my rings too low? They give the scope plenty of room off the barrel... 
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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:44:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:45:25 PM EDT
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I left my swami hat in my other pair of pants. Therefore I cannot bring up the pic of rifle in my crystal ball. PICS dammit!
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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:45:46 PM EDT
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Common issue. A great many scopes have a subjective bell that is overly large.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:46:17 PM EDT
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I would find another cover that works before I raised the scope.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:48:36 PM EDT
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I'll post pics tomorrow.
Sorry. 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:13:56 AM EDT
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Take cover off?
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:15:09 AM EDT
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Turn it into a flip-left cover instead. Ta-da
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:23:39 AM EDT
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I would keep the rings low and do something about the flip up cover rather than the other way around.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:27:57 AM EDT
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Turn it into a flip-left cover instead. Ta-da Negative. The bolt strikes the part of the cover that is attached to the optic, not the flipping part. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:29:04 AM EDT
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I would keep the rings low and do something about the flip up cover rather than the other way around. Fair enough. Sure isn't a lot of space petween the scope and the handle. I was a bit surprised. My Winchester with a Leupold has plenty of room, but then again, the Leupold has a smaller objective in back. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:31:09 AM EDT
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I'll look forward to those pictures as well. I looked through a Monarch at the shop and was very impressed with it. Looks like a nice quality optic for the money. Thinking of putting one on a .308 that I'm putting together.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:32:35 AM EDT
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First off Zaphod, DON'T PANIC!!
This is my set up. Badger one piece mount and rings. 
Leupold 8.5- 25 scope.  flip up covers. No problems.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:35:06 AM EDT
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I wonder if he has an after market bolt handle? From what I have seen they cause a lot more problems than they solve.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:39:00 AM EDT
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I would keep the rings low and do something about the flip up cover rather than the other way around. Fair enough. Sure isn't a lot of space petween the scope and the handle. I was a bit surprised. My Winchester with a Leupold has plenty of room, but then again, the Leupold has a smaller objective in back. That sucks when that happens. I just re-mounted a Leupold 3-9x40 Vari-X II on an A-bolt since I got a scope mounting kit. I wanted to go from medium rings to low and from standard leupold base to dual dovetail, but the dovetail bases aren't as high as the standard bases, so the objective bell was just barely kissing the barrel. I had to go to medium rings, but it ended up working out because I am at the perfect height now for a good cheek weld. It's amazing how balanced and effortless a gun will handle when you get the eye-relief and scope height right. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:41:36 AM EDT
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I would keep the rings low and do something about the flip up cover rather than the other way around. Fair enough. Sure isn't a lot of space petween the scope and the handle. I was a bit surprised. My Winchester with a Leupold has plenty of room, but then again, the Leupold has a smaller objective in back. That sucks when that happens. I just re-mounted a Leupold 3-9x40 Vari-X II on an A-bolt since I got a scope mounting kit. I wanted to go from medium rings to low and from standard leupold base to dual dovetail, but the dovetail bases aren't as high as the standard bases, so the objective bell was just barely kissing the barrel. I had to go to medium rings, but it ended up working out because I am at the perfect height now for a good cheek weld. It's amazing how balanced and effortless a gun will handle when you get the eye-relief and scope height right. A-Bolt is not a good comparison because the bolt throw is sixty degrees, much lower than the Sendero. OP - move your scope back. It's too far up on the action. ETA - you will probably need medium rings to do this. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:43:01 AM EDT
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First off Zaphod, DON'T PANIC!! This is my set up. Badger one piece mount and rings. http://i.pgu.me/SZQ+1P7g_original.jpg Leupold 8.5- 25 scope. flip up covers. No problems.
http://i.pgu.me/dXZ2qqV6_original.jpg Nice 5R. I have a Mark IV 4.5-14 on mine, no probs. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:51:56 AM EDT
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I wonder if he has an after market bolt handle? From what I have seen they cause a lot more problems than they solve. Negative. Factory. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:54:03 AM EDT
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OP - move your scope back. It's too far up on the action. ETA - you will probably need medium rings to do this. I'm running on memory now, but IIRC, the strike occurs WAY before the bolt has traveled it's full length, so I don't think moving back will help. But I'll certainly give it another look tonight. ETA: Why would I panic? I have the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy (of Guns) right here on ARFCOM! 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:00:45 AM EDT
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Have you shouldered the gun several times, eyes closed, eyes open, etc. to see if your scope is at the right height and eye-relief?
If you shoulder your weapon, cheek falls naturally onto the stock (no goosenecking forward) and you've got full field of view and the crosshairs are centered in the scope (not a little high or low), I wouldn't mess with it and find a work-around for the scope cover. If you find the crosshairs are a little low in the field of view, signaling that you could use a little more height, then you're in luck and go to the next height in rings. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:05:02 AM EDT
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Have you shouldered the gun several times, eyes closed, eyes open, etc. to see if your scope is at the right height and eye-relief? If you shoulder your weapon, cheek falls naturally onto the stock (no goosenecking forward) and you've got full field of view and the crosshairs are centered in the scope (not a little high or low), I wouldn't mess with it and find a work-around for the scope cover. If you find the crosshairs are a little low in the field of view, signaling that you could use a little more height, then you're in luck and go to the next height in rings. Now that you mention that, no, I haven't.
I'm afraid I'm very much the novice when it comes to bolt guns. 
I will do as you described and let you know. Thanks for the tip. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:09:36 AM EDT
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I would find another cover that works before I raised the scope. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:11:01 AM EDT
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First off Zaphod, DON'T PANIC!! This is my set up. Badger one piece mount and rings. http://i.pgu.me/SZQ+1P7g_original.jpg Leupold 8.5- 25 scope. flip up covers. No problems.
http://i.pgu.me/dXZ2qqV6_original.jpg Little off topic, but I don't *think* those are Badger rings....atleast not like any I have ever seen. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:12:15 AM EDT
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First off Zaphod, DON'T PANIC!! This is my set up. Badger one piece mount and rings. http://i.pgu.me/SZQ+1P7g_original.jpg Leupold 8.5- 25 scope. flip up covers. No problems.
http://i.pgu.me/dXZ2qqV6_original.jpg Little off topic, but I don't *think* those are Badger rings....atleast not like any I have ever seen. They look just like Leupold PRW rings. And that's a two-piece set-up. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:14:52 AM EDT
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Have you shouldered the gun several times, eyes closed, eyes open, etc. to see if your scope is at the right height and eye-relief? If you shoulder your weapon, cheek falls naturally onto the stock (no goosenecking forward) and you've got full field of view and the crosshairs are centered in the scope (not a little high or low), I wouldn't mess with it and find a work-around for the scope cover. If you find the crosshairs are a little low in the field of view, signaling that you could use a little more height, then you're in luck and go to the next height in rings. Now that you mention that, no, I haven't.
I'm afraid I'm very much the novice when it comes to bolt guns.
I will do as you described and let you know. Thanks for the tip. No problem.  Little problems like you have are what prompted me learn. Hope you get it worked out.
If you decide to mess with it yourself, find a small bubble level (line level from a hardware store) to put on a level spot of your receiver, level the gun in a sandbag rest, hang a plumb bob on the other side of the room, and then level the crosshair with plumb bob. This will level your scope and bore axis with the horizon of the earth, which is crucial for long range accuracy and correct windage and elevation adjustments. There is also scope ring alingment and scope ring contact to the scope tube to check, work on. If you want it completely right, you likely have to do it yourself. You're definitely not going to get that kind of mount job from a big box gun store install. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:14:56 AM EDT
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First off Zaphod, DON'T PANIC!! This is my set up. Badger one piece mount and rings. http://i.pgu.me/SZQ+1P7g_original.jpg Leupold 8.5- 25 scope. flip up covers. No problems.
http://i.pgu.me/dXZ2qqV6_original.jpg I'm curious.... Where did you have your barrel work done (Brake, fluting, etc.)? I've been contemplating puting a break on mine as well. .300WM is a bitch no matter how heavy the pig firing it is. 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:50:38 AM EDT
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Get your head position right first, then scope clearance to the gun, then gadgets. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:55:52 AM EDT
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First off Zaphod, DON'T PANIC!! This is my set up. Badger one piece mount and rings. http://i.pgu.me/SZQ+1P7g_original.jpg Leupold 8.5- 25 scope. flip up covers. No problems.
http://i.pgu.me/dXZ2qqV6_original.jpg Little off topic, but I don't *think* those are Badger rings....atleast not like any I have ever seen. your right. I forgot the comma. Badger one piece mount, and rings. I think they are Leupold rings. It's been a while since I got them. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:58:14 AM EDT
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Did someone say Sandero?
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:28:03 AM EDT
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The fluting is a factory job. The break is from www.jprifles.com They installed it on the barrel. They did a great job. Mine is 300 Remington Ultra Mag. She kicked like a 10 guage when I first got her. After the break was put on, only kicks like a .308 Amazing difference. ETA: the break is only 2" at it's widest. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:07:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I would keep the rings low and do something about the flip up cover rather than the other way around. Fair enough. Sure isn't a lot of space petween the scope and the handle. I was a bit surprised. My Winchester with a Leupold has plenty of room, but then again, the Leupold has a smaller objective in back.  |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:08:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Did someone say Sandero? http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-9-480x264.png "I have great news!" |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 5:17:39 PM EDT
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Finally got the pic...
You can see how the bolt handle strikes the mounting ring of the scope cap. Now I'm off to try the recommended close-the-eyes-and-shoulder method.... ETA: ...and it would seem I need higher rings. My eyes ALWAYS falls right on the upper edge of the optic. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 8:48:53 AM EDT
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That's good, it's usually cheaper to solve than a scope that is too high but mounted as low as it is ever going to go.
The next problem is finding rings that are just right or adjusting the stock comb. Or a little of both. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 8:52:58 AM EDT
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It's a PITA sometimes.
I had to go with high rings on my stinking .22rf for this reason. The bolt barely clears the scope: 
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Posted: 10/29/2010 8:55:17 AM EDT
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ya scope it too low..
get the next set of higher rings.. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 8:56:58 AM EDT
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http://i.pgu.me/PdCTjZ+U_original.jpg http://i.pgu.me/4_Inu9FF_original.jpg http://i.pgu.me/sRQIxsKt_original.jpg The fluting is a factory job. The break is from www.jprifles.com They installed it on the barrel. They did a great job. Mine is 300 Remington Ultra Mag. She kicked like a 10 guage when I first got her. After the break was put on, only kicks like a .308 Amazing difference. ETA: the break is only 2" at it's widest.  I have the same rifle and I don't have any issue with the recoil.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 9:00:41 AM EDT
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I'm just guessing that the newer model NIKON MONARCH scopes have a larger diameter 'ocular' section.
It's also possible that the NIKON flip-up covers may be thicker than Butler Creek's versions. My older MONARCH / Butler Creek combinations on a Remington 700 do not have clearance problems such as your pic shows. I'm not sure higher rings would solve this dilemma for you. Looking forward to your solution. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 9:11:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm just guessing that the newer model NIKON MONARCH scopes have a larger diameter 'ocular' section. It's also possible that the NIKON flip-up covers may be thicker than Butler Creek's versions. My older MONARCH / Butler Creek combinations on a Remington 700 do not have clearance problems such as your pic shows. I'm not sure higher rings would solve this dilemma for you. Looking forward to your solution. Butler Creeks are nice and thin, but I have never had any luck with them lasting more than a year. With heavy field use, they always seem to fall off. Edit: Op still fails, we want pics of the whole rifle! |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 9:14:14 AM EDT
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Edit: Op still fails, we want pics of the whole rifle! Picky, picky, picky!
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Posted: 10/30/2010 2:32:29 PM EDT
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Success!
I purchased a set of Leupold Super-High rings and installed them into the existing base. Presto-changeo, not only does the bolt handle now travel freely, but I have a far better and more comfortable cheek weld and sight picture. Pics to follow. I'm going to play around with the ideas presented in the "Take pictures in the bathtub" thread. Thanks to all for the help!
Here's the requested pic: 
Hi-Res |
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