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Posted: 8/21/2001 12:12:33 AM EDT
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Unfortunately, this was inevitable. Because of BS23 and BS15 there weren't many guns they could sell anymore.
B&E and RNJ both went down at least partly due to legal troubles. One of the sons from B&E went to prison and RNJ had guys working there selling guns out the back door without paperwork. BATF now has possession of all their records. Oh lucky you if you ever bought a gun from them. Arrowhead is still in business but I don't expect they will be much longer. They have other problems. Turner's sells fishing gear as well as guns so they'll be around for awhile. If you're so inclined, get to a Turner's and sign the petition regarding sportfishing. Sportfishing could be banned along hundreds of miles of the California coastline. Commercial fishermen would be exempt but salt water fishing as we know it would be history. |
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Posted: 8/21/2001 8:09:54 PM EDT
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I'm trying to figure something out about BnB. I believe they were started in the 70's by a UCLA graduate. The guns available back then were less than the selection today, even considering the SB15 and SB23 ban list.
I would still think they had a close to normal clientele including internet sales, so what happened? There's also the Pony Express in Van Nuys near the Bud plant (Bush gardens). |
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Posted: 8/21/2001 9:27:10 PM EDT
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not sure what happened, i never bought from them, and i thought they did a lot of LEO sales. i kinda doubt that the recent laws put a major hurt on them, theres still almost 600 pistols they can sell in kalif and all other rifles and shotguns, very little stuff they sold was banned.
i know they were busted by the DOJ for over charging customers on transfers, like $50 and storage fees and other BS. i know a few years ago RnJ was having glocks converted to FA and got busted doing that. never been to pony express, but theres martin b rettings in culver city, although a bit pricey |
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Posted: 8/22/2001 12:11:45 AM EDT
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Here's something to think about. Between the Roberti-Roos AW ban in '89, the L.A. riots in '91, the anticipation of more riots after the civil trial in '93, the '94 federal AW ban, the anticipation of riots after the O.J. trial depending on the verdict, the Democrats getting a supermajority in Sacramento in '98, BS23, BS15 and all those other BS laws, and then the Y2K scare...
do you think maybe most people in this area who wanted guns already have them? I remember reading somewhere not too long ago that gun sales in California were higher than in any other state during the '90s. Maybe the market for guns is saturated and people just aren't buying as many guns anymore. That could be one reason for a slump in sales putting local gun stores out of business. Not counting the legal problems mentioned above. OCTJMO ICBW |
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Posted: 8/22/2001 9:05:44 PM EDT
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i guess thats a possible reason, its actually the reason why gun sales across the country are down -- saturated market.
i think maybe they had too many expensive items in there stores that werent turning a profit (ie large safes, and weatherby rifles and O/U shotguns) things that are out of reach from most peoples wallets. oh well, maybe its worth stopping by and seeing if they are liquidating things for CHEAP |
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Posted: 8/23/2001 12:24:59 AM EDT
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Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention above is... [b]8 YEARS OF CLINTON![/b]. He and his anti-gun administration was probably responsible for more gun sales during the '90s than any of them will ever know, or would ever admit to.
Now we have Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, etal... and the complacency factor sets in. There's no ban looming over us and people don't feel the need to rush out and buy a gun before it's banned. There's nothing on B&B's website about going out of business. Their latest sale ad is still up. Think I'll mosy on over there tomorrow or Friday and have a looksee. |
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Posted: 8/24/2001 3:52:57 PM EDT
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It sucks too see another store closing up.Although i never bought any thing from them.The people working at the westminster store were all buch of a$$es.their atitude swayed me away from buying from them a couple of years ago.Ask a question about something got smart ass answers.For those who are lokking for another store in oc there is arm usa in anaheim very friendly staff and carrys a good selection of guns and accessories.lots of .50.have been going there since i moved from long beach to fullerton,and have found everything i needed.
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Posted: 8/24/2001 6:41:43 PM EDT
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orginally posted by Big_Bear:
Now we have Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, etal... and the complacency factor sets in. There's no ban looming over us and people don't feel the need to rush out and buy a gun before it's banned. I gotta diasgree what with living in Cali. I am still buying stuff like crazy. Still buying FAL parts before the Cal DOJ figures someway to ban them. Still need more pistols before these new handgun regs. have a chance to pass. You know a 50cal BMG is also likely to be banned in Cali so I am not letting up. |
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Posted: 8/25/2001 1:18:16 AM EDT
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Was in a local shop the other day and the owner said business was great.
It's funny, I don't get quite the thrill going into the shops anymore, knowing there are no black rifles waiting for me. The only thing catching my interest are the M1A I want but can't afford and a Kimber Eclipse I can't afford. They don't even have the Spanish FR-8 so I can at least buy SOMETHING. If the liscensing bill passes I suspect another boom year for handgun sales. I just hope is passes soon so I can start buying my one a month. |
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