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Posted: 1/23/2006 10:06:43 AM EST


The JAG, we are told, mistakenly thought the open-tip round was the same as hollow-point ammunition, which is banned. The original open-tip was known as Sierra MatchKing and broke all records for accuracy in the past 30 years.

The difference between the open-tip and the hollow point is that the open tip is a design feature that improves accuracy while the hollow point is designed for increasing damage when it hits a target.

About 10 days ago, the Army JAG in Iraq ordered all snipers to stop using the open-tip 175-grain M118LR bullet, claiming, falsely, it was prohibited. Instead of the open-tip, snipers were forced to take M-60 machine gun rounds out of belts and use them instead.

The order upset quite a few people here and in Iraq who said the JAG ignored the basic principle of every military lawyer that there is a presumption of legality for all issued weapons or ammunition that are made at the military service level at the time they are acquired.

"She forced snipers to use less accurate ammunition, thereby placing U.S. forces and Iraqi civilians at greater risk," a Pentagon official said of the JAG, who was not identified by name. "And she incorrectly issued an order. JAGs may advise a commander, but they cannot issue orders."

After Army lawyers were finally alerted to the JAG's action, the order was lifted and the JAG was notified that the open tip was perfectly legal for use by snipers. However, the reversal was followed by the Army officials' taking retaliation against a sniper who blew the whistle on the bogus order. The sniper lost his job over a security infraction in reporting the JAG.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:07:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:10:26 AM EST
I don't see how they could ban any type of ammo. I mean. Really.. You want the best ammo that will KILL someone quickly correct?????
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:10:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:15:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By johndel:
I don't see how they could ban any type of ammo. I mean. Really.. You want the best ammo that will KILL someone quickly correct?????

We are too high-minded for that kind of savagery sir!
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:17:25 AM EST
This, my friend, is a DUPE! :)

The rounds are allowed again, after a single sniper spoke up, but that sniper lost his job. That's what I remember of the previous thread I read yesterday.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:18:37 AM EST
yup this was posted the other day.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:23:38 AM EST
DUPE topics are banned here though.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:26:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:34:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 10:35:12 AM EST by x5060]
That is retarted

... IBTL +1 and all that jazz
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:35:04 AM EST
Put in a link or shut up.

Dupe Nazis.... Jesus.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:40:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
Put in a link or shut up.

Dupe Nazis.... Jesus.

Yeah, if you're gonna scream dupe at least send us to the topic.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:44:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:45:09 AM EST
Dupe or not, this is the first time i read this.

I can't believe that there are actually people in our military & or government that are limiting some form of ammunition because it's not fair, WTF???????????????

These fucking savages we're fighting don't play by the rules, when are we going to start doing the same thing.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:46:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:55:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 10:55:24 AM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Dupe--link above.
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