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Posted: 4/9/2002 7:33:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:54:11 AM EDT
Not a hognose, and definitely not a cottonmouth / water moccasin. Looks like what I grew up calling a green watersnake. Non-venomous, but will bite.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:02:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:02:31 AM EDT
taint a hog nose snake of any variety. It could be a cotton mouth water mocassin, or it could be a brown water snake (non-poisonous) Either case it's a young adult. A lot of adult snakes tend to lose their distinctive markings, and this one's markings are fading into general dark coloration. In my conservative opinion, I'd say it's a cottonmouth and stay the hell away or call in a snake specialist to remove it if it seems to have taken up residence in the area. The head shape is throwing me a bit. It's wedge shaped enough to make me say cottonmouth, but not quite enough for me to be absolutely certain. Regional variations are also an issue.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:05:20 AM EDT
From the shape of the head, I would tend to lean towards a moccasin or some similar variety of viper. If you look at the upper portion of the head, you will clearly see a protruding mound for the eye socket. Coupled with the flater triangular shapped head, this is a telltale sign of a species of viper. Hognose snakes have the very same charastics, yet the tip of the nose is uniquely blunt!
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:06:00 AM EDT
Don't know what kind it is but it would be a dead little b*stard for making me stain my underware. Did I mention I HATE snakes
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:09:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:10:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By antiUSSA: From the shape of the head, I would tend to lean towards a moccasin or some similar variety of viper. If you look at the upper portion of the head, you will clearly see a protruding mound for the eye socket. Coupled with the flater triangular shapped head, this is a telltale sign of a species of viper. Hognose snakes have the very same charastics, yet the tip of the nose is uniquely blunt!
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Look at the [b]round[/b] pupil. The only venomous snake in North America with a round pupil is a Coral Snake.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:11:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:15:08 AM EDT
baby king cobra, definitely. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:15:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:23:01 AM EDT
My dad loved telling a story of when I was a kid and we were entering the house and a rat (?) snake fell right on my mom. He said she freaked.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:23:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2002 8:25:46 AM EDT by Arock]
It's not a pit viper. I wouldn't kill it either, it keeps down the rodent population. If it's not a non-poisonous water snake then I'd say it's a king snake. **Edited to add a Louisiana king snake.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:24:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By brouhaha: Guys, I absolutely abhor killing snakes. I usually find that there's absolutely no need.
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Rat/vermin control?
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:26:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: Christ! Get your shotgun! It is slithering on grass so it's obviously a rattlesnake. Kill it! Remember, now this is important, but easy--if it's on land, it's a rattlesnake. If it's in water it's a cottonmouth. Both are very deadly and need killing immediately before I die of terror. There are only two kinds of snakes in North America. Or any place else I go. [shock]
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Amen. And then, only if I can kill the damn thing from far far away. I got no use for old Mr no-shoulders. Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:28:34 AM EDT
brou - biologist was correct, it's a water snake, non-poisonous and should not be (IMHO)killed. Mike
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 9:17:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2002 9:31:51 AM EDT by bobbyjack]
Not a hog nose as they have a hog nose(like a pug nosed dog look like it has been kicked in the face) Not a broad head which is what you want to look for on this northamerican continent, The Rattler,cottonmouth,copperhead all have a broad head! the only other piosionous snake we have here is the coral snake and it does not have a broad head which means it can't unhinge its jaw to strike, so it usally bits you in your finger joints or toes some where small. it has a king snake relative that is red.yellow.black just like the coral snake, gods way of giving it protection! when looking at the rings remember red on yellow kill a fellow, red on black posion lack! snakes even venimious ones are the best raters that there is so learn about them handle them, like and manage them and like cats in your barn your seed will be mice and rat free! bob cole The snake in the picture would be wore out from me and my brother chassing my sisters around the yard till my dad got home then it would just a snake in the grass!!! bob cole Also a hog nose is brownish and will huff up and puff just like a puff adder, scare the hell out of you! just ask your dad and i bet he will remember! Shoot i'll be your dad and i are both baby boomers! 1945 for me.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 9:27:43 AM EDT
That's a Burmese King Cobra... What the hell do I know....I hate snake! [:D]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 9:31:55 AM EDT
Is that the new desert camo it's wearing?
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 9:35:59 AM EDT
okay, just to satisfy the biologist in me, here's another tidbit of education: venomous and poisonous are two different things. venomous means if it bites ya, stick ya, or stings ya, you're going to have some sort of physiological reaction to the venom. poisonous refers to getting sick after ingesting something. since you don't get sick after ingesting snakes, they aren't poisonous. however, a few species here in the U.S. are venomous, but not many. class dismissed. [:D] fwiw, i would have guessed some sort of water snake. but since i'm not familiar with the western herpetofauna, i couldn't get any more specific. thanks, brou, for finding out. that would have bugged me.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 9:41:14 AM EDT
banded water snake of some kind. harmless markings similar to cottonmouth and hognose, but bands are too far apart. Head looks almost pit viper like, but not quite. Leave it alone. It'll take care of all the vermin in the area if you let it.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 9:52:20 AM EDT
Brouhaa the only snakes you got to worry about in texas are all brown,texas sidewinder,rattlesnake,timberrattler,copperhe­ad,cottonmouth is actually blackish except for his white(cotton)mouth, and the coral snake is mostly found in the deserts,arizona,new mexico some parts of calif,. and yes some parts of west texas. The cotton mouth you will run into arround the water,lakes ponds .ect..people in india keep cobras around because they don't eat grain.just mice! they cope with them. a good project for you is to teach you family to co-exist with snakes! knowledge is power and from reading your earlier post looks like you allready know that! bob cole
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:09:49 AM EDT
Thanks ARLADY that was cool been along time since i was reminded of toxins and toxcidity,poisionious and veniumious all in one day... bob cole
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:30:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 10112002: poisonous refers to getting sick after ingesting something. [blue]since you don't get sick after ingesting snakes[/blue], they aren't poisonous.
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I bet I would. [puke]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:33:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:34:38 AM EDT
HMC is absolutely correct. I grew up down around Lake Jackson on a bayou, and those rascals are everywhere. They won't hurt anything. They can hurt you by scaring the crap out of and making you bang all of your apendages on everything around you when you don't notice him and he takes a shot at you. They will bite the crap out of you if you corner it and mess with it, and aside from little bloody pinpricks, you will not be harmed. Oh yeah, I think he is one of the snakes that makes a pretty nasty musk if you jack with it, but I don't remember for sure. bobbyjack: There are coral snakes a plenty in the swampy areas of East Texas. We would find them regularly after a good rain. They would come up onto the road from the lower areas. Definitely not just a desert dweller. We never messed with them because they are actually pretty harmless themselves. They have a very potent neurotoxin, but it is delivered in very small doses, and you have to be an absolute idiot to get yourself bit by a coral snake. They are pretty shy, and would much rather just try to run away so they will be left alone. The only snakes we used to kill were cottonmouths and copperheads.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:34:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HMC: Just up my alley! I was (and when free-time allows) a herpetologist!
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me too!
This snake is definitely, 100 %, without a doubt, a BROAD-BANDED WATER SNAKE, Nerodia fasciata, and is NON-POISONOUS.
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that's [i]Nerodia fasciata[/i]
this snake has a rather nasty reputation amongst people who have to collect them. But if you leave it alone- it will flee, most likely to the water source where it came from.
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most, if not all water snakes, have reputations as being quite nasty when bothered. and it doesn't take much to bother them. heck, we kept one in my herp class in college that thought taking the lid off his cage to clean it out was bothering him.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:36:14 AM EDT
I agree with HMC, it's a water snake and (except for a bite that might get infected) is generally harmless. I would let it be, the dog will be ok... But if you want to go with Chim's suggestion...I hear they taste like chicken [:D] I know that was bad but it HAD to be said! SNF (from FL)
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:42:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By brouhaha:
Originally Posted By Chimborazo:
[blue]since you don't get sick after ingesting snakes[/blue], they aren't poisonous.
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I bet I would. [puke]
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You mean you've never had rattlesnake fajitas? They're actually very good. The meat is a little stringy, but quite tasty.
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Uhmmm...no, [b]no[/b], [b]NO[/b], [size=3][b]NO!![/b][/size=3] I'm not a picky eater, but no thank you. I'd be thinking of the live snake the whole time. I hate snakes, but I will [b]not[/b] kill them (or eat them). Yummy, rattlesnake fajitas with a side of popcorn spiders. If I keep reading these damn threads, I'll never sleep sound again. But still, my dislike of snakes comes nowhere near my extreme fear of spiders.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 11:00:24 AM EDT
uh huh, just as i thought, it's a greater siberian crevas black bangalore snake. known for it's insatiable appatite for small villigers, and wombats. .....or something...
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 11:05:12 AM EDT
I love snakes. I've had pet snakes my entire life. I currently have 2 Egyptian Sand Boas, and they are totally harmless. They spend 90% of their time, under the sand, and are very docile. I've probably had over 20 snakes in my short lifetime, and I've never been bit by one. They make really cool pets.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 12:41:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By brouhaha: Guys, I absolutely abhor killing snakes. I usually find that there's absolutely no need. The reason I really wanted to know is because my parents have a dog which is very curious, and I didn't want her to get bit. If it was a mocassin, I would have trapped it and released it in a lake nearby. As long as they aren't venomous, I leave them alone. If they are venomous, then I try to judge whether or not their presence would do any harm before I do anything to them.
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Total agreement. Snakes have always fascinated me, and I almost never kill any.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 1:34:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HMC: I went to college in TX where I studied and collected herps
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What did you study? Did you ever find out who you collected the herps from?
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 2:06:46 PM EDT
Got a shipment of snakes at the petshop I worked at as a kid. I had ordered several "Green Tree Vine Snakes" from our supplier. We got "Tree snake (green)". Turned out to be an aggressive rear-fanged (AKA Semi poisonous) South American b**tard that proceeded to bite me on the eyebrow as I was cleaning its tank. I had to wait for an hour to see if I was going to have a reaction and croak. There was/is no antivenin for that species. Couldn't sell poisonous pets so I did the next best thing: I fed it to the Trigger Fish. He liked it. Later sold him for a bundle. Advice: Snakes whose eyes face forward are bird/frog eaters and are very aggressive. They have stereo vision, are super fast and have excellent aim. I know.
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