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Posted: 11/1/2006 5:00:44 PM EST
So I was able to get some for a while. The new doc wont give me anything. I am not abusing them. I just need to sleep. Benedryl DOES NOT work for me. Any suggestions?
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:01:36 PM EST
Tylenol PM or Nytol.

Both are OTC meds.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:01:36 PM EST
Whiskey
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:02:29 PM EST
Melatonin. It works better than Ambien for me.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:04:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Deej86:
Tylenol PM or Nytol.

Both are OTC meds.


+1 on Tylenol PM. I take half dose and I'm good. For those rare nights I can't sleep.

-Foxxz
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:05:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 5:19:40 PM EST by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:
So I was able to get some for a while. The new doc wont give me anything.


Wtf does the above statement mean? Why is he the "new doc"?

There are some sleep disorders that drugs won't help. Have you had a sleep study done yet? What advice did your doctor give?

Bendryl/diphenhydramine always made me groggy the next day and made it hard for me to piss.

If you have sleep apnea, then knocking yourself out with drugs is not a good idea.

I take Ambien though, Lunesta is good too. Rozerem is the spawn of satan, IMHO.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:08:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 5:09:41 PM EST by BlackDog714]

Originally Posted By Foxxz:

Originally Posted By Deej86:
Tylenol PM or Nytol.

Both are OTC meds.


+1 on Tylenol PM. I take half dose and I'm good. For those rare nights I can't sleep.

-Foxxz


All TylenolPM is is benedryl with Tylenol

Big +1 on the meletonan
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:11:36 PM EST
Have you cut out stimulants like caffeine, nicotine, etc.?
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:12:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 5:15:52 PM EST by twonami]
Trazadone, prescription only.
The doc won't give you ANY sleep meds?
Any history of drug abuse or bad reaction from meds?
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:18:04 PM EST
Take a couple slugs off a Nyquil bottle.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:29:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 5:29:29 PM EST by yekimak]

Originally Posted By rainman:
Take a couple slugs off a Nyquil bottle.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


And I don't feel stupid the next day like I do when I take nytol or the like. Not sure what the difference is.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:38:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 5:41:21 PM EST by sleepdr]

Originally Posted By rainman:
Take a couple slugs off a Nyquil bottle.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Yup.

Or if you don't want the alcohol and the dextromethorphan (cough suppressant that's sedating), try another antihistamine. I find Nyquil liquid to be the most reliable sleep-inducer for me.

Diphenhydramine (Benadryl, Tylenol PM, etc.) doesn't work for everyone.

Doxylamine Succinate, the antihistamine in Nyquil, is very sedating.

Dimenhydrinate, found in Dramamine, also works fairly well.

For herbs, melatonin and valerian sometimes work well for people.

If insomnia is prolonged, see your doc or get another opinion. It may be due to underlying disease including thyroid problems and depression. Like others said, cut out the stimulants - nicotine, caffeine, decongestants, etc. If you absolutely can't stop the caffeine, then try not to take any after about noon. It has a very long effective life.

Most docs agree that you shouldn't rely on sleep medications regularly. If you're needing them that often, then there may be something else wrong.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:40:13 PM EST
25 mg Doxylamne succinate is the best OTC I've found.

I believe it's the same thing as Unisom.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:44:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By sleepdr:


Hey sleepdr, I take it you specialize in these matters?
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:48:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 5:50:25 PM EST by MEDIKEIGHTED]
Doxylamine succinate is the same thing that's in Unisom and I think Sominex. Neither it nor Benedryl will put me to sleep.......they just make the tiredness worse the next morning.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 5:56:00 PM EST
2 years ago I felt suicidal from lack of sleep. One of my students mentioned that her dad was a sleep specialist. I saw him and we fiddled around with a few drugs after I had to fill out 2 months worth of sleep history charts. I now take 1/2 dose of Ambien and it was absolutely the magic bullet for me. I take it 3-4 times a week.


Find A Sleep Doctor(IMHO) Good Luck,

Denny R
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:00:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 6:01:54 PM EST by AKJEFF]

Originally Posted By PeteCO:
Originally Posted By AKJEFF:
So I was able to get some for a while. The new doc wont give me anything.


Wtf does the above statement mean? Why is he the "new doc"?

Because I moved

Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:03:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:

Originally Posted By PeteCO:
Originally Posted By AKJEFF:
So I was able to get some for a while. The new doc wont give me anything.


Wtf does the above statement mean? Why is he the "new doc"?

Because I moved



So what did the new guy say? Have you been diagnosed with a specific sleep disorder that you were able to tell him about, or did you just roll in to his office and ask for Ambien? If the latter, then no shit he wouldn't just give them to you - it's a schedule IV drug.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:03:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By twonami:
Trazadone, prescription only.
The doc won't give you ANY sleep meds?
Any history of drug abuse or bad reaction from meds?


No to either one. I am just very "high strung" I don't sit down from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed.

The last doc gave me Ambien; it did nothing.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:05:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:

Originally Posted By twonami:
Trazadone, prescription only.
The doc won't give you ANY sleep meds?
Any history of drug abuse or bad reaction from meds?


No to either one. I am just very "high strung" I don't sit down from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed.

The last doc gave me Ambien; it did nothing.


Wow, Ambien didn't knock you down? That shit is like horse tranquilizer.

What about Lunesta? I'm not sure I'd want to get myself into a nightly Nyquil habit. Sounds like you haven't had a sleep study done. You should do so if there's a sleep center near you.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:12:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 6:13:56 PM EST by gcpd19]

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Melatonin. It works better than Ambien for me.


I agree with this. My daughter has a hard time sleeping/winding down to the point we started to see a counselor about it. Fast forward a month, we just happened to be a the doctors with my other two kids, and the subject came up. He suggested Melatonin, more specifically 3 mg's of it. She finally sleeps and is calm as can be without any problems. Its natural, your body produces it and it is not addictive, try it out, it may work.

Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:15:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:
So I was able to get some for a while. The new doc wont give me anything.


Wtf does the above statement mean? Why is he the "new doc"?

There are some sleep disorders that drugs won't help. Have you had a sleep study done yet? What advice did your doctor give?

Bendryl/diphenhydramine always made me groggy the next day and made it hard for me to piss.

If you have sleep apnea, then knocking yourself out with drugs is not a good idea.

I take Ambien though, Lunesta is good too. Rozerem is the spawn of satan, IMHO.


Both Lunesta and Ambien gave me some serious dizzy spells. They went on for several days after I quit. Doc prescribed Lunesta, dizzy spells. Then Ambien, more dizzy spells, back to OTC stuff.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:18:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Melatonin. It works better than Ambien for me.


I also use melatonin usually a couple of the 3mgs. Most of the time it works OK but sometimes it doesn't. Then I will take another dose.

I also use it because of the reported anti-ageing properties that I read about years ago.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:20:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 6:22:03 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By MEDIKEIGHTED:
Doxylamine succinate is the same thing that's in Unisom and I think Sominex. Neither it nor Benedryl will put me to sleep.......they just make the tiredness worse the next morning.


Sominex and Benadryl are the same drug.

I buy Sominex for my allergies, because it is much cheaper than Benadryl
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:22:56 PM EST
Melatonin + Valerian Root + a b-complex vitamin = great sleep, with the added benefit of some of the most lucid and memorable dreams I've ever had. I did feel a little groggy first thing in the morning, though. If I just take 3mg of melatonin, no groggyness at all.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:23:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Both Lunesta and Ambien gave me some serious dizzy spells. They went on for several days after I quit. Doc prescribed Lunesta, dizzy spells. Then Ambien, more dizzy spells, back to OTC stuff.


They make me hypersensitive... Every little noise, the ticking of the clock, the dog, my wife breathing drove me fucking nuts and I slept even less.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 10:25:17 PM EST
Over the counter:

Unisom seems to work the first night, then not at all the next.

NyQuil used to work great, now it gives me the jimmylegs.

Prescription:

Ambien caused extremely disturbing dreams.

Klonopin works but leaves you feeling drugged the next day.

Best thing I've found (in a lifelong search) is Temazepam (Restoril). It's mild with no hangover. Lets you fall asleep rather than putting you to sleep.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 5:22:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2006 7:23:53 AM EST by AKJEFF]

Originally Posted By THX:
Over the counter:

Unisom seems to work the first night, then not at all the next.

NyQuil used to work great, now it gives me the jimmylegs.

Prescription:

Ambien caused extremely disturbing dreams.

Klonopin works but leaves you feeling drugged the next day.

Best thing I've found (in a lifelong search) is Temazepam (Restoril). It's mild with no hangover. Lets you fall asleep rather than putting you to sleep.



I did the restoril thing for a little while. New doc wont give me any controlled drugs.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 5:29:34 AM EST
Run ten miles, stretch out, take a shower, read a book for about an hour, then turn off the light. Works like a charm for me.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 4:06:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:
I did the restoril thing for a little while. New doc wont give me any controlled drugs.


If this guy just has some BS blanket policy against drugs the DEA deems to be susceptible for abuse, I'd find a new doc post haste.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 4:13:19 PM EST
A good long session with your lady of choice.


Or pop in some porn and run a batch.


Out like a light.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 4:24:31 PM EST
I was on Ambien for over 3 years. After some time I gained a tolerance for it. Made for some fun nights, though. I had some troubles getting off it too. Got really naseous and had to get off slowly.

I moved to WV and changed doc's and talked to him about my sleep issues for some time. I stayed on Ambien for a few months with him but then he pushed me to try Melatonin. Melatonin works so much better for me. Ambien gave me some sort of high, then makes you tired. Melatonin just plain makes you tired. Physically tired. Whole body feeld tired, it works great. Cheap too. A huge bottle costs me 10$ and has 4 months worth. Ambien was 20$ per month.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 4:38:25 PM EST
The Nyquil type stuff gives me a pins and needles feeling in my arms, wierd. It keeps me from falling asleep. When I can't sleep I have exactly one beer. If I have more then one beer, then I just want to keep drinking.

For those of you who take Melatonin, which brand do you use?
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 4:52:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2006 4:53:15 PM EST by Curare]
Avoid stimulants after lunch, avoid working out in the evening. Do not nap during the day. Keep a regular sleep cycle. Treat your heartburn. DO not drink excessively after dinner.

Screen yourself for sleep apnea symptoms: not breathing for periods of time while asleep, snoring, dry mouth upon waking, waking and feeling as if you were choking, morning headache, morning irritability, falling asleep while driving, excessive daytime sleepiness, obesity.

I prescribe scheduled (controlled) drugs to new patients on a case by case basis.

First generation H1 antihistamines (Benadryl/diphenhydramine) have significant side effects (sedation, dry mouth, etc.) because they cross the blood-brain barrier easily. This makes them a good choise for a cheap, OTC sleep medication. 25-50mg should do the trick. It's what I use if I need something. One time I took 2 in the middle of the day and absolutely could not fight it.

Ambien (5mg/10mg) is a benzodiazepine (same class as xanax, valium, etc.) which is useful for insomnia. It is scheduled and is now available in a new controlled release formula (CR--6.25mg/12.5mg).

Lunesta (2mg/3mg) is a newer, non-benzo hypnotic. I use Lunesta or Ambien in patients who do not have success with diphenhydramine.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 5:00:24 PM EST
Exercise in the afternoon - not too late or it will wake you up. I occasionally take an ambian in fact took one last night and it literally kicked my ass in about 25 min. Never had one do that before. I was posting here and came back this morning, read my post and had to fix it. Hint - don't ever take one and try to drive.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 5:05:02 PM EST
well.. back in the day...
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 5:51:17 PM EST
Lunesta is perfect, for me at least. It has just about saved my life. I was a wreck prior to trying it.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 6:10:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By st0newall:
well.. back in the day...
www.erowid.org/chemicals/methaqualone/images/archive/quaalude1.jpg


Yep. But that stuff is ADDICTIVE and really not worth it. In South Africa they have a problem with people smoking marijuana blunts laced with methaqualone - it gives you a feeling of Euphoria like...WOW. Supposedly it rivals a crack high
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 6:14:36 PM EST
Chamomile (sp?) tea

Valerian root was mentioned earlier. I have heard that it is supposed to give you a deeper sleep. But be aware, it is well known at giving very vivid dreams (not necessarily nightmares). Just dreams that are well remembered and seem like they really happened.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 6:16:22 PM EST
Ambien is awesome........for sleeping I mean
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 6:27:57 PM EST
I's ask Dr. Swingset if it were me...
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 7:46:53 PM EST
Quaaludes were the best drug ever. All the benefits of being drunk with no downside. A perfect alternative for those who didn't drink but liked a good buzz. So frakking good, in fact, that the U.S. government had them banned. Bootlegs were plentiful for many years but even that market has been crushed.

"I'll have a Quaalude and water, please."
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