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Posted: 10/11/2007 4:05:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:08:10 PM EST by EternalVigilance]
Inspired by this thread: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=627374


Given the choice between slavery, or dying resisting those who would enslave, what do you choose?



I realize this is complex. Without getting bogged down in scenarios and things like "live to fight another day", just pick the one you instictively lean toward when confronted with the question.

For those with families, I know there are additional questions to consider. Vote your instinct.


...this was meant to build upon the question of "Security or Freedom". I think this question is a good litmus test.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:07:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:08:51 PM EST by EternalVigilance]



I didn't think "pie" was original enough. Plus people who would pick slavery might like the penis.


eta: I am going to count all "penis" votes as one for slavery.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:08:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:08:54 PM EST by 70satvert]
FUCK I CLICKED THE WRONG BUTTON! I meant to click DEATH. I would fight those wishing to enslave me to the death! I would take a few with me

ETA: I was NOT the ghey who clicked penis.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:09:34 PM EST
Death!
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:10:06 PM EST
Well, my job today strongly resembles slavery.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:11:45 PM EST
Who the fuck voted Penis?

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:12:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By 70satvert:
FUCK I CLICKED THE WRONG BUTTON! I meant to click DEATH. I would fight those wishing to enslave me to the death! I would take a few with me

ETA: I was NOT the ghey who clicked penis.


Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:13:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:

Originally Posted By 70satvert:
FUCK I CLICKED THE WRONG BUTTON! I meant to click DEATH. I would fight those wishing to enslave me to the death! I would take a few with me

ETA: I was NOT the ghey who clicked penis.




ARFCOM + vodka = guaranteed hilarity.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:14:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By Quintin:
Well, my job today strongly resembles slavery.

Still being kept down by The Man, huh?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:15:58 PM EST
Spartacus chose life.

That would be me except I wouldn't fuck it all up like he did.

I'd make sure I had some hard core vets with me, ex-Green Berets, Rangers, ninjas, and maybe some of them old German guys too.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:16:04 PM EST
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Given I am going to lose as a forgone conclusion, might as well lose in as violent and grotesque a manner as possible.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:16:56 PM EST
Death would be preferable to misery, toil, and living with regret.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:18:57 PM EST
No poll yet?

After considering it for a bit, there are lots of degrees of slavery. From simply being forced to work for no pay, all the way up to being forced to breed with people someone else chooses for you.

All of them are pretty damned abhorrent.

If you got to choose the life you would live before you were born, I know I wouldn't choose slavery. Now that I have lived "free" or as close as you can get to free in this country, I know I wouldn't want to live with any less liberty.

Would I go out alone on a suicide mission if a bit more freedom is incrementally taken from me? Honestly, probably not. Every individual has a certain amount of control they are willing to tolerate, and that imaginary line is drawn in different places for different people.

If, at some point that line is crossed for an overwhelming majority of people, many of them will revolt.

Unfortunately, history has shown us that too often, by the time that line is crossed, the people are incapable of resistance.

Fortunately, nobody has to die without a fight if they don't want to. Even if you are being dragged to the edge of a pit in the ground about to be shot, you can still spit in the eyes of your captors.

If the question really was as simple as it is in the OP, then yes, I'd rather die than be enslaved for the rest of my life.

If there was the tinyest hope of freedom, I'd try to stay alive long enough to be free once again.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:19:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:24:18 PM EST by EternalVigilance]

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Death would be preferable to misery, toil, and living with regret.



Depends. Some slaves have it great. Some live in the masters quarters and do the cooking. Some live in great britain or australia.


To enslave is to initate force or fraud to take another persons liberty.

A state of slavery would be the constant threat and/or use of force to enslave.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:21:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Soylent:
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Given I am going to lose as a forgone conclusion, might as well lose in as violent and grotesque a manner as possible.


Fuckin' A!!!
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:21:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:23:53 PM EST by EternalVigilance]

Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
No poll yet?

After considering it for a bit, there are lots of degrees of slavery. From simply being forced to work for no pay, all the way up to being forced to breed with people someone else chooses for you.

All of them are pretty damned abhorrent.

If you got to choose the life you would live before you were born, I know I wouldn't choose slavery. Now that I have lived "free" or as close as you can get to free in this country, I know I wouldn't want to live with any less liberty.

Would I go out alone on a suicide mission if a bit more freedom is incrementally taken from me? Honestly, probably not. Every individual has a certain amount of control they are willing to tolerate, and that imaginary line is drawn in different places for different people.

If, at some point that line is crossed for an overwhelming majority of people, many of them will revolt.

Unfortunately, history has shown us that too often, by the time that line is crossed, the people are incapable of resistance.

Fortunately, nobody has to die without a fight if they don't want to. Even if you are being dragged to the edge of a pit in the ground about to be shot, you can still spit in the eyes of your captors.

If the question really was as simple as it is in the OP, then yes, I'd rather die than be enslaved for the rest of my life.

If there was the tinyest hope of freedom, I'd try to stay alive long enough to be free once again.



And that is exactly why, I have made the decision, that my right to keep and bear arms IS THE LINE IN THE SAND.


I WILL NOT comply with any AWB's that ghouliani or hitlery sign into law. And I WILL defend my liberty when men with guns come to take my life, liberty, or property in order to enforce such a law.



eta: I don't mean to sound like an armchair commando. Its just I've been thinking about this more recently with all the talk about the election. I've been thinking about where that line is drawn.

I don't like to think about it because my wife depends on me and I love her very much. But there has to be a line drawn somewhere.



....my intention here is to make a point. When most vote "give me liberty or give me death", then we debate where the line between freedom and slavery is drawn.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:23:58 PM EST
Try to kill me and some of yall fuckers are coming with me
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:24:36 PM EST
who voted penis and why???

There are 8 of yall
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:26:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:27:14 PM EST by EternalVigilance]

Originally Posted By Badass03:
who voted penis and why???

There are 8 of yall



Because they don't like the idea of the poll, or because they followed instructions and voted penis if they choose slavery, or just because they think they are funny characters.


eta: there are plenty of female arfcommers too. But they still should have participated in the real poll damnit!
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:26:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:27:50 PM EST by USGI_45]
I voted for penis because this thread is gay. Pretty much going to be a bunch of internet chest pounding.


Oh I forgot Im an internet tough guy. Molon Labe and cold dead hands and all that.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:28:11 PM EST
Give me liberty or give me death!
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:28:19 PM EST
I would choose slavery because I am sure that the owner's wife would use me to service her on a regular basis.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:29:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:31:08 PM EST by EternalVigilance]

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
I voted for penis because this thread is gay. Pretty much going to be a bunch of internet chest pounding.



Its to continue the discussion of security versus freedom. It makes a valid point.


I may have done a little "chest pounding" already. But sometime people need to vent when they see the possibility of our great nation going down the fucking tubes and being taken over by socialist fucks who our fathers and grandfathers spent the entire 20th century fighting.


eta: I'd also like to think that I am man enough to do the right thing. Not because I think doing the right thing makes you some kind of "internet hero", but because doing the right thing makes you a decent and honorable human fucking being.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:32:24 PM EST
If I pick slavery, how much reparation money do I get?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:33:03 PM EST
That one hot redhead on Rome was always having her slaves screw her.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:34:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By OFFSHORE:
Give me liberty or give me death!


Dont forget penis
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:35:20 PM EST
Slavery over death as long as it includes conjugal visits
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:40:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:42:01 PM EST by SGB]
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:40:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:43:41 PM EST by URL]
What's doing the right thing? You have two choices.

1) You resist something that you believe to be wrong. You fight against the oppressors (in this case the government). You have a slim to no chance of winning. You do it however because every cause started with one person saying "NO!", its just you will most likely die in the effort and have your family destroyed.

2) You suck it up. You take your beating and say things like "Yes, Sir" and "No, Sir" and give them everything they ask for. Why do you do this? Because you made a promise to your wife and children that you would take care of them and you can't do that from prison or a hole in the ground.

This isn't about right - its about what you can do and if you can still look at yourself in the morning after you do it.

That being said I believe that is is better you die my way that you live some else's.

eta: spelling mistakes
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:46:32 PM EST
Death by penis or penis slavery?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 5:40:12 PM EST
Basically the choices are a quick death, or a slow painful death as a slave. The choice is quit simple for me and my family if the those were the only options to choose from.

Death is the ONLY real option
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:24:50 PM EST
I voted death. But I could see being a sex slave if she's hot enough. And rich.
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