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Posted: 5/1/2015 2:39:24 PM EDT
Should damaged businesses and insurance companies go after her to recovery for damages?
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Link Posted: 5/1/2015 2:40:39 PM EDT
No, wrong demographic
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 2:40:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Should damaged businesses and insurance companies go after her to recovery for damages?
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They should but that would be racist.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 2:41:39 PM EDT
The mayor, IMO, owns all of it.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 2:44:04 PM EDT
They absolutely should.  The electorate in some areas is too stupid to elect competent leadership, and incompetent leadership often has no consequences for their stupidity other than getting kicked out of office.  Add more consequences to insanely stupid decisions and we may see better results.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 2:45:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlabamaFan64:
They absolutely should.  The electorate in some areas is too stupid to elect competent leadership, and incompetent leadership often has no consequences for their stupidity other than getting kicked out of office.  Add more consequences to insanely stupid decisions and we may see better results.
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That happens on a national level as well.
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Originally Posted By azjeeper:

That happens on a national level as well.
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Originally Posted By AlabamaFan64:
They absolutely should.  The electorate in some areas is too stupid to elect competent leadership, and incompetent leadership often has no consequences for their stupidity other than getting kicked out of office.  Add more consequences to insanely stupid decisions and we may see better results.

That happens on a national level as well.

Yes, it does.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 2:52:00 PM EDT
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Sovereign Immunity. City can't be sued.

There's a division of Baltimore City government whose entire function is to tell people, "We're not paying. Fuck off".


Hell, there was a Korean grocery store (northwest corner of 22nd and Greenmount, for the local guys), and a police car, during a chase, overcooked the turn and went through the side wall. Not only would the city not pay anything, they sent a building inspector out 2 days later to tell them that the board-up was not a proper repair, and they'd be fined $500 a day until it was fixed.  



ETA: Sundowner caught my mistake.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:22:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tomrocks21212:
Eminent domain. City can't be sued.

There's a division of Baltimore City government whose entire function is to tell people, "We're not paying. Fuck off".


Hell, there was a Korean grocery store (northwest corner of 22nd and Greenmount, for the local guys), and a police car, during a chase, overcooked the turn and went through the side wall. Not only would the city not pay anything, they sent a building inspector out 2 days later to tell them that the board-up was not a proper repair, and they'd be fined $500 a day until it was fixed.  

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I think that might be sovereign immunity....
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:28:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sundowner08L:


I think that might be sovereign immunity....
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Originally Posted By tomrocks21212:
Eminent domain. City can't be sued.

There's a division of Baltimore City government whose entire function is to tell people, "We're not paying. Fuck off".


Hell, there was a Korean grocery store (northwest corner of 22nd and Greenmount, for the local guys), and a police car, during a chase, overcooked the turn and went through the side wall. Not only would the city not pay anything, they sent a building inspector out 2 days later to tell them that the board-up was not a proper repair, and they'd be fined $500 a day until it was fixed.  



I think that might be sovereign immunity....



You are correct. It's been a long week. I knew that didn't sound right.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:30:03 PM EDT
They can try but the supreme court has already ruled that police have no obligation to protect citizens life or property.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:34:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
The mayor, IMO, owns all of it.
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Yep
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:36:55 PM EDT
Maybe the unions should protest against her.
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Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:41:44 PM EDT
No, it is the Shuck and Jive Democrats pull. First they go along with the protestors, and then they slide in as the White Knight to pick up the pieces.
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No, it is the Shuck and Jive Democrats pull. First they go along with the protestors, and then they slide in as the White Knight to pick up the pieces.

I posted twice because this is such an important point.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:44:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 4v50:
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Yes!
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:45:16 PM EDT
I think the GD came to a consensus the other day when this was asked that she should be brought up on charges, convicted, thrown in jail, and than have all her stuff confiscated.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 3:51:10 PM EDT
I would file a lawsuit against the city.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 4:04:33 PM EDT
In this case, I think you could make a decent argument that the city made the situation much worse than it should have been. Look what happened once the police actually were allowed to get to work.

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Link Posted: 5/1/2015 4:10:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
They can try but the supreme court has already ruled that police have no obligation to protect citizens life or property.
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Right, but what is the legal point where individual protection ends and "community" protection starts?

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Right, but what is the legal point where individual protection ends and "community" protection starts?

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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
They can try but the supreme court has already ruled that police have no obligation to protect citizens life or property.



Right, but what is the legal point where individual protection ends and "community" protection starts?

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This is what I was thinking.  The police owe a duty to the general community.  They failed in performing that duty. Why?  Because they were told to stand down.  It's a basic negligence issue.  Was there a duty? Yes.  Was the breach of that duty the proximate cause of injury?  Yes.  Was the plaintiff indeed injured?  Yes.  

If I was the insurer, I wouldn't eat those loses.  

Of course, there's always the "nuisance" value of a lawsuit and it is cheaper to settle out of court than to litigate a nuisance lawsuit. Imagine if each store owner brought a suit for damages?  That's a lot of out of court settlements.
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
They can try but the supreme court has already ruled that police have no obligation to protect citizens life or property.
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The have no obligation to protect individuals.  They are duty bound to protect the public at large.  Deliberate inaction is dereliction.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 4:28:01 PM EDT
I doubt that they will have to go after the city.  The Obama administration will pour taxpayer money into Baltimore.  Agencies, such as FEMA, will hand out money to everyone who wants it.  There will be little, if any, accountability.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 5:51:49 PM EDT
Almost all business insurance doesn't cover riot, insurrection or invasion.    Its a vary expensive umbrella policy that most owners do not get.   During the LA riots there was law suits that argued that theft of merchandise should be covered but it was not based on the number of people involved in the theft.
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Originally Posted By mordecai:


The have no obligation to protect individuals.  They are duty bound to protect the public at large.  Deliberate inaction is dereliction.
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
They can try but the supreme court has already ruled that police have no obligation to protect citizens life or property.


The have no obligation to protect individuals.  They are duty bound to protect the public at large.  Deliberate inaction is dereliction.


Class action suit maybe?
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 6:58:07 PM EDT
Nope. The police has no constitutional duty to protect them or their shit, per the SCOTUS. They should have defended it themselves. Since they didn't, make a claim with the insurance company and gtfo of there, if they pay. It's obvious Baltimore doesn't want their business being there...
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:00:00 PM EDT
She should be arrested for misconduct in office.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:01:07 PM EDT
Elections have consequences.
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Originally Posted By Ronin72:
Nope. The police has no constitutional duty to protect them or their shit, per the SCOTUS.
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Indeed... but does the city government as a whole have a duty to not say they won't protect the city?  It's an interesting question...

A Baltimore resident suit for injunctive relief from Maryland's shitty gun laws might be in order, since they have no police protection.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:08:44 PM EDT
POPO should have stood down before prosecutor's announcement, SCOTUS has ruled Popo do not protect individuals. Mayor and Pros are individuals.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:14:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:
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It would be better to convince the looters and rioters that the target if their wrath should be the mayor's office. I'd pay to see that!
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:14:13 PM EDT
Baltimore POPO should have a one week sickout.
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Baltimore POPO should have a one week sickout.
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They should have a permanent sick out. Give them what they want.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:16:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
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In that case the police and National Guard need to stay home.   Let the city burn to the ground.

When that plays on TV, scroll across the top:

"This is what liberal (Democrat) policies end in"

Then show clips of the mayor, police chief, Obama, Sharpton, H Clinton, etc
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:17:57 PM EDT
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Right, but what is the legal point where individual protection ends and "community" protection starts?

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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
They can try but the supreme court has already ruled that police have no obligation to protect citizens life or property.



Right, but what is the legal point where individual protection ends and "community" protection starts?

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I reject the idea of "community protection."    A community is a collection of individuals and they get no protection.

Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:20:06 PM EDT
Why would the insurance companies care?

THEY DONT COVER RIOTS.

Done. No worries.

The people whose shit gets burned down just lose their asses. Then those businesses go bankrupt and close. And then the buildings sit in ruins.

Then some company buys up the entire block, levels it, and puts up some nice shit that then drives the prices in the neighborhood up, and the current residents can no longer afford to live there, and then they move out.

Rinse, repeat.
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Originally Posted By snaggletoof:
Why would the insurance companies care?

THEY DONT COVER RIOTS.

Done. No worries.

The people whose shit gets burned down just lose their asses. Then those businesses go bankrupt and close. And then the buildings sit in ruins.

Then some company buys up the entire block, levels it, and puts up some nice shit that then drives the prices in the neighborhood up, and the current residents can no longer afford to live there, and then they move out.

Rinse, repeat.
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Interesting life-cycle story.   The reality is that you could build a Trump resort in place of the CVS and no normal person would go there.


Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:30:14 PM EDT
After the indictments, she won't have to tell them to stand down the next time.
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
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Exactly....

They could set fires while the police sit and watch while drinking coffee... police have no obligation to intervene.  Unfortunately, this is the sort of policing we're going to end up with.... They'll just stop intervening and simply respond to clean up the mess.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:33:54 PM EDT
The businesses should just suck it up and try to start over someplace that did not have a TV show taking place there with a name like "Homicide".

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