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Posted: 3/19/2006 6:42:54 AM EDT
I went to a gunshow in Harrisburg PA yesterday.

There was a booth for the Minutemen there.
One of their signs said the following :

"Since the terrorist attacks of 9/11 ,over 10,000 Americans have
died at the hands of illegal immigrants from Mexico".

Another :
"Over a million arrest warrants have been issued since 9/11 for illegal
immigrants that can not be identified by their real name."

For those who don't know ,illegals are becoming a severe problem even
as far north as Pennsylvania.
In the county to the north of me ,15 murders were committed in 6 weeks in
one small town.
All of the suspects were Mexican illegal immigrants that have just dissapeared.

The largest capture of illegal aliens in US history happened in PA ,on I-80.

That first quote from a Minutemen sign really stuck with me.

Over 10,000 Americans have been killed by illegal immigrants
from Mexico since 9/11.
Can anyone post any links to statistics to support this ?

We invaded a foreign country over around 3,500 but we've done nothing
about over 10,000 ?

This deserves serious consideration.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:47:52 AM EDT
tag. Just remember, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics...

Not saying it's not true, only that numbers can be twisted any way you want to.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:56:25 AM EDT
while the statistics may be skewed (i have no idea) the border issue is responsible for the importation of tons of illegal drugs, that finance some pretty bad people on both sides fo the border who kill and threaten people on both sides of the border. the ms 13 is a good example. some pretty bad folks. murder with machetes, are found everywhere and are finnanced by illegal drugs. more dangerous than terrorists. only thing is they are not concentrated in one place and don't put out videos about killing people.

a real threat probably more serious than the perceived islamic threat that is basically ignored becuase of the difference in perception vs the reality of the threat.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 7:14:00 AM EDT
I would say 90% of our unable to locate subject warrant list were hispanics.

Might as well toss them in the garbage.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 8:11:20 AM EDT
I really don't care if the stats are true or not. We should have started shooting anything that moved along our northern & southern borders when 9-11 happened.

I know the 9-11 hijackers didn't sneak across the border on foot. That's another aspect of the national security issue that needs to be dealt with.

Scott
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 9:04:47 AM EDT
I have been contemplating that 10K number for a couple of hours because it really hit my BS button but now I would not be surprised to find that it is LOW.

9-11-01 to 9-11-05 is 4 years so that is 2500 per year. Divide that by 48 lower states and you come up with less than 53 Americans killed per year per state. Starts to sound very damn plausible, doesn't it ?? When you consider vehicular homicide [ aka DUI ], domestic violence, gang violence, drug dealers, human traffickers, pimps, plain old crime, etc etc etc etc....................

Almost every SMALL town has had some incident where some drunk illegal has caused a fatal DUI. In more populous areas it's very common . Then tack on the violent crime bs and the number starts to seem kinda low.

rj

Link Posted: 3/19/2006 9:34:27 AM EDT
Hep B or C? TB?
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 9:40:21 AM EDT
tag..

I believe it.

Link Posted: 3/19/2006 11:03:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4v50:
TB?



No shit

rj
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 11:08:45 AM EDT
this country is the subject of a hostile foreign invasion. that has been made clear by the actions of the mexican govt'. they are willingly helping their citizens get into the US illegally with the interest of importing american $ and gaining influence in this country.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 11:14:39 AM EDT
it's a small price (for us) to pay so our masters can have access to cheap labor.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 11:17:12 AM EDT
I would bet they have killed 10K by driving drunk alone.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 11:23:24 AM EDT
Officers Killed or Injured By Illegal Aliens
Crimes Against Law Enforcement Officers by Illegal Aliens or Those Who Have Fled to Mexico

* Deputy Don Willmon - Angelina County Sheriff’s Department, Texas,
Murdered May 13, 1979

* Officer Kenneth Collins, 33 - Phoenix Police Department, Arizona
Murdered May 27, 1988

* Officer Lawrence Cadena, 43 - Dallas Police Department, Texas
Murdered December 13, 1988

* Trooper Robert Clodfelter, 34 - Oregon State Police, Klammath Falls
Murdered, September 30, 1992

* Agent Richard Fass, 37 - U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency
Murdered June 30, 1994

* Alexander Kirpnick, 27 - United States Border Patrol
Murdered June 3, 1998

* Officer Marc Atkinson, 28 - Phoenix Police Department, Arizona
Murdered March 28, 1999

* Detective Hugo Arango, 24 - Doroville Police Department, Georgia
Murdered May 13, 2000

* Officer Michael Dunman - Salt Lake City Police Department, Utah
Killed July 17, 2000

* Deputy Michael Schapp - Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department, California
Shot and injured September 25, 2000

* Deputy Sheriff David March, 33 - Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department,
Murdered April 29, 2002

* Ranger Kriss Eggle, 28 - National Park Service
Murdered, August 9, 2002

* Officer Enrique Hernandez, 27 - Las Vegas Police Department, Nevada
Shot and critically injured on December 12, 2002

* Officer Robert Sitek - Phoenix Police Department, Arizona
Shot and critically injured, April 12, 2003

* Officer Tony Zeppetella, 27 - Oceanside Police Department, California
Murdered June 13, 2003

* Officer Matthew Pavelka, 26 - Burbank Police Department, California
Murdered November 15, 2003

* Agent James Paul Epling, 24 - U. S. Border Patrol
Drowned during pursuit of suspected illegal aliens, December 16, 2003

* Officer Robert Bryant - Denver Police Department
Intentionally struck with vehicle, January 22, 2004

* Officer Derek Whipps - Boise Police Department, Idaho
Shot and critically injured, February 28, 2004

* Deputies Daniel Dail and Victor Locklin - Los Angeles County Sheriff’s
Department
Shot at with an AK-47 on April 9, 2004

* Officer William “Will” Seuis - Oakland Police Department
Hit and killed on July 24, 2004

* Deputy Brandon “Brandy” Winfield - Marion County Sheriff’s Department
Shot and Killed on October 17
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 11:33:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
I would say 90% of our unable to locate subject warrant list were hispanics.

Might as well toss them in the garbage.





10-4! Same here Bama
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 11:35:57 AM EDT
I would be willing to pay whatever it took in taxes to fund a moat of fire and a .50 cal armed watchtower every 500 yards from the pacific to the gulf.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 2:26:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 2:28:44 PM EDT by cobrasks]

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
I would say 90% of our unable to locate subject warrant list were hispanics.

Might as well toss them in the garbage.



Bama-shooter ,
How many of these were from violant crimes ?

The Minutemen claim of over 10,000 fatalities does NOT
include vehicular homicides.
This number is meant to be from just violant crime .
This is just the fatalities .

According to some estimates,more than 20 times that amount
have been severely injured and possibly 50 times as many have
been sexually assaulted.

These numbers are huge !
I for one believe the statistics that were provided ,but I would
like to see concrete numbers from another source as proof.

That's 4 times the amount of soldiers that have died in Iraq !

Does no one represent us anymore ?
Where the Hell's are government here ?

I live maybe 3000 miles from the border ,but it's not safe for my wife
to go shopping at the nearest town in broad daylight because of the
damn illegal immigrants ?
WTF ?
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 2:28:36 PM EDT
I strongly support border militia and vigilante activities... but those numbers seem awfully convienent.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 2:53:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 2:55:57 PM EDT by gordon_freeman]
Well, without any scientific, statistical methods to back up their claims, and the fact this group has a obvious political slant, they may has well have just picked that number out of the air. If one could get a respectable economist who doesn't shy away from controversy and can offer a slant free look at the numbers, like Steven Levitt who wrote Freakonomics or another person/organization with the training and methods to look into exactly how many US citizens were killed by "illegal immigrants" then that would be something worth paying attention to. The minutemen number has just about as much weight as a Aryan Nation's claim of jew on christian crime


I don't oppose the minutemen project because it does shine a unflattering light on the pathetic border controls our country has, but they clearly have some alterior motive as there were 16,000 MURDERS in 2004. Since 2001, the murder rate has however right at 16,000 a year... and so you're telling me that illegal immigrants are responsible for an estimated 15% of American deaths?

First off
-Which illegal immigrants are doing the killing. America is the destination for many immigrants
-Is violent crime the same thing as a automobile accident?
-What's the solution?

The numbers they throw at you do nothing but create more strife and hatred for that group's preferred ethnic minority of choice, the Amigos mang. Don't trust those hispanics, blah blah blah

PS: A quick google search for US Murder stats revealed my 16K figure.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 2:54:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cobrasks:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
I would say 90% of our unable to locate subject warrant list were hispanics.

Might as well toss them in the garbage.



Bama-shooter ,
How many of these were from violant crimes ?

The Minutemen claim of over 10,000 fatalities does NOT
include vehicular homicides.
This number is meant to be from just violant crime .
This is just the fatalities .

According to some estimates,more than 20 times that amount
have been severely injured and possibly 50 times as many have
been sexually assaulted.

These numbers are huge !
I for one believe the statistics that were provided ,but I would
like to see concrete numbers from another source as proof.

That's 4 times the amount of soldiers that have died in Iraq !

Does no one represent us anymore ?
Where the Hell's are government here ?

I live maybe 3000 miles from the border ,but it's not safe for my wife
to go shopping at the nearest town in broad daylight because of the
damn illegal immigrants ?
WTF ?



Very few were for violent crimes. At the time we had very little cross over violence. The mexicans mostly fought each other.

The majority of the warrants were for various traffic, booze type infractions.

I hate to say this but I got to the point that unless it was a jailable offense I quit writing them tickets. Waste of time.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 3:00:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 3:33:30 PM EDT by copenhagen]
It doesn't sound far off to me. All things considered. And our politicians turn their back on this invasion. The old saying that we have the best politicians money can buy is appropriate in this defacto invasion. They have been bought off by big business on one side and the idiotic double speak of the communist,socialist,liberals on the other side of the aisle. What they are letting happen is a fuckin disgrace.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 3:33:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
It doesn't sound far off to me. All things considered. And our politicians turn their back on this invasion. The old saying that we have the best politicians money can buy is appropriate in this defacto invasion. They have been bought off by big business on one side and the idiotic double speak on the communist,socialist,liberals of the other side of the aisle. What they are letting happen is a fuckin disgrace.



The only Politician who has stuch his neck out on the Illegal Alien Issue that I know of is Tom Tancredo
Repub from CO
The whole issue is sickening
There's a saying in the ARMY "If you want to know how things really are going, ask a Private "
Well if you want to know how things are going in regards to Illegal Aliens it's the same
Ask a COP
Ask a Border Patrol Agent
Ask a Nurse who works in the County ER
Ask an AMT driving a county Ambulance
Ask a County Correction Officer
Ask a Taxpayer Citizen who 's got 30 Illegals living in a house down the street and is scared to death to stop at the Local 7-11 where they congregate

Obviously those in Power are either Clueless,Liberal or want them here for a reason
So which is it ?

What's the difference between either Party ?

One Party is Socialist Liberals and will sell us out quickly
The other Party is coservative one one issue then Traitorious on another issue and is selling us out but slowly
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 4:16:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:
I don't oppose the minutemen project because it does shine a unflattering light on the pathetic border controls our country has, but they clearly have some alterior motive as there were 16,000 MURDERS in 2004. Since 2001, the murder rate has however right at 16,000 a year... and so you're telling me that illegal immigrants are responsible for an estimated 15% of American deaths?




There are as many as 20Million illegals in the US. Probably more becuase they are less than cooperative during census counts. So 15% of homocides being committed by illegals is not beyond the relm of possibility.

BTW: the 9/11 terrorists were illegal immigrants. they allowed their visa to expire. the entered on fraudulant visas. the committed prjury on their visa applications. they took part in activities outside the scope thei visas allowed. So you can add the 9/11 casualties to the list of those killed by illegals.
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