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Posted: 7/22/2002 7:56:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/29/2002 8:57:26 PM EDT by jrzy]
If you guys are interested then put your name down so we can see if this things do-able. This is just a first step to see if we can manage it. This seems do-able ,anyone have any thoughts on if they think we could pull this off?
Originally Posted By redray:
Originally Posted By jrzy: redray If we got 1000 members to go in on this ,it's only 800 bucks a man or woman,if we got only 500 ,it's still only 1600 per person. Come on guys AR15.com heaven [:D]
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or even 250 people at $3200 each, wouldnt be a bad investment. there is a house and for pete's sake, 1170 acres!!! and a pond! ARgon (Tony) do you know where this place is exactly? might visit this weekend. click here to view the property: [url]http://www.bigbearrevt.com/2014.asp[/url]
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[img]http://www.bigbearrevt.com/images/2014.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 8:04:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 8:17:17 PM EDT
Sounds like Vermont. Too far for me.
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 8:18:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GoatBoy: Shit, I'm in... where is it though? If you say northern Canada, I'm gonna slap you around with a trout! [=P]
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Would that be in a nice garlic and butter sauce? No it's in northern vermont and i really think we could have an AR15 retreat with a full auto range and all kinds of goodies goatboy. If 250 people go in on this and each member is responsible for building his or her own cabin it would be great,and we wouldn't have any trouble finding a perm. caretaker/armorer either. Goatboy i was being serious by the way ,i have seen other org's do simular things and it has worked out great.
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 8:34:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 8:40:17 PM EDT
i was serious too. i think its a good investment, besides being a good HQ(?)!! for AR15.COM (east coast chapter)he-he. so theres three of us, 247 more investors to go! the house that comes with the property can be the clubhouse (i havent seen the condition its in). like i told ARgon, i might drive up there this weekend and take some pictures. ill be more than happy to post it here if you guys are interested.
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 8:58:10 PM EDT
Ok ,Does anyone want to get involved with this and see what we can do? I have access to some moble homes we can use and keep and i have access to log suppliers at wholesale $$ and i have a guy that can put in septic systems for about 2 grand and a whole host of other contacts. If you want a for instance,the log package for the lodge i want to build on the other property and would be 10,000 sq. ft. would cost 74,000 ,that covers the exterior walls and interior walls and beams and rafters. [url]http://www.wholesaleloghomes.com/prices.html[/url]
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 8:59:30 PM EDT
redray I take it you will help put this together? I hope!
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 9:26:03 PM EDT
It looks nice now but what does it look like in January when it's buried in 40 feet of snow?
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 9:32:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 9:46:09 PM EDT
Sweep With out to much effort we have 4 tenative members ,the idea you have are about the same as mine and i think with a little effort we could do this,we would need to write some by laws and a charter and if one of the members that gets involved is an lawyer that would be great. I am willing to use all my short cut knowlege with contacts and suppliers at no fee to anyone except real cost ,I have spent the last 25 years developing these contacts and they are a valuble thing to have believe me. Last year i put in a new kitchen for the wife and i got all GE profile performance appliances the $2200.00 refrigerator cost me $850.00,it's not what you know i have found out long ago ,it's who. I think if we check the property ,we will find a spot for the cabins to all a great view.
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 9:49:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/22/2002 9:54:25 PM EDT
Would this be a "retreat" similar too the one that Robin Williams bought into in the movie"The Survivors"?[50] "You'll smoke a turd in hell for that one!"
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 9:54:45 PM EDT
I would be very interested in more pics and learning more about the area.
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 9:57:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 10:00:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: I would be very interested in more pics and learning more about the area.
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There's alot of good info in this link, [url]http://www.state.vt.us/[/url]
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 10:03:15 PM EDT
[img]http://www.state.vt.us/vtmap/vtmp006.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 10:13:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: I would be very interested in more pics and learning more about the area.
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There's alot of good info in this link, [url]http://www.state.vt.us/[/url]
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I appreciate the link but I was looking for some more specific information such as nearby restruants,airports,other tourist sites, shopping, things of that nature.
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 10:18:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: I would be very interested in more pics and learning more about the area.
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There's alot of good info in this link, [url]http://www.state.vt.us/[/url]
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I appreciate the link but I was looking for some more specific information such as nearby restruants,airports,other tourist sites, shopping, things of that nature.
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It's in the #3 part of the little map,the jay area up near the canadian border,upper right side of vermont [url]http://www.1-800-vermont.com/planner/Search.asp?ctg=4[/url]
Link Posted: 7/22/2002 10:38:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 7:19:14 AM EDT by longshot_va]
Hmmm, 2:30 am... can't sleep. What's this? Interesting... hold on. Something seems strange. [url]www.bigbearrevt.com/over.asp[/url] 1170 plus acres $800,000.00 [url]www.bigbearrevt.com/land.asp[/url] 110 plus acres $850,000.00 Same photo. Hmmmm. (edited to say- I did it right but they keep changing. (?) oh hell, good night.)
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 6:15:36 AM EDT
Let's go kick Castro's ass out of Cuba!!! We'd have some prime land, good money making opportunities & a beautiful climate! Not mention the fact we could start OUR own government!
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 6:29:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 8:07:33 AM EDT
Looks like it may be time to call Tina! TINA LEBLOND - REALTOR/PRINCIPAL BROKER Tel. Office: (802) 744-6844 or Residence: (802) 334-1303 1-800-479-6844 Fax: (802) 744-6659 Box 179, Troy, VT. 05868 E-mail: bigbear@together.net Anyone? [?] --LS
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 8:36:26 AM EDT
OK I called and talked to Tina and she said that the property is under contract butvthey have hit an impass and it might not go through. It should also be noted that even if we didn't want to go out of pocket for the purchase it would cost each member(250 memebers)$64.00 dollars a month for 5 years at 7.5 rate of interest. I would also tell you the taxes are 5200.00 a year and it will cost $15,000 to bring the electric to the property,thats 60 bucks per man. Everything we do will be relativley cheap because of the amount of people we are spreading it out with.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:47:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:03:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GoatBoy: I think 250 is too many to make this a reality, then again 110 acres isn't enough or worth all that cash. 50 paying $16k is very realistic and I think doable. We can also decide on building one large lodge facitlity and turning it into a full time hunting lodge and hire a staff to run it, etc. (This way it pays for itself!) That area should be AMAZING for hunting and could be made into a very popular retreat. [=)]
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I was thinking the same thing today. A lodge or two or three with other nice amenities,and a bunch of us investing in the project seems like the way to go. Just my.02
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:09:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GoatBoy: I think 250 is too many to make this a reality, then again 110 acres isn't enough or worth all that cash. 50 paying $16k is very realistic and I think doable. We can also decide on building one large lodge facitlity and turning it into a full time hunting lodge and hire a staff to run it, etc. (This way it pays for itself!) That area should be AMAZING for hunting and could be made into a very popular retreat. [=)]
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Goatboy,I just check with Tina at the realtors office and it is def. 1170 plus acres. I'm in even if we have to have less members involved,the property is located 5 min. from jay peak ski mountain and that means big rental fees for anyone who wants to rent out their cabin during skiing season,this could pay for it self very easy. I moght even be able to get us some of those moose hunting permits won by lottery over in maine [:D]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:47:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:01:35 PM EDT
Not to rock the boat, but how about Penn, where it is more accessable to more people? I'd be interested in help fund a [s]compound[/s], ummmm, I mean LODGE. Penn would be more accessable and IMO a better location for all of us. A central lodge would be the best idea, screw the cabins, that would only lead to problems, since most wouldn't be able to build their own with proper waste management. A 30 room lodge with bunks could accomodate many people and would offer the most in regards to comradery. Not to mention, it'd be a kick ass SHTF gathering point.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:47:49 PM EDT
Sorry to nix the Pa. idea as far as i'm concerned ,but vermont has much more appeal and we can draw canadians down who can not own or shoot AR15's in canada,the property that we are talking about has 2 miles of border with canada. The property actually buts right up to our canuk brothers. Drawing people from around the country will be an easy feat because of all the contacts we have and the snow in the winter is a big plus for skiers and snowmobilers,and ice fishing to.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 1:55:51 PM EDT
I would be up for this type of venture. Heck it sounds profitable. Although, I'm not a hunter (don't give a shit about it.. just don't) but, at that acreage, wouldn't it get hunted out pretty quick?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 3:43:54 PM EDT
I'd DEFINITELY be up for this ! Will you folks allow NJ residents on the grounds? [:D]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:21:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GoatBoy: Shit, I'm in... where is it though? If you say northern Canada, I'm gonna slap you around with a trout! [=P]
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If ONLY you were THAT lucky!!!!
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:26:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy: Sorry to nix the Pa. idea as far as i'm concerned ,but vermont has much more appeal and we can draw canadians down who can not own or shoot AR15's in canada,the property that we are talking about has 2 miles of border with canada. The property actually buts right up to our canuk brothers.
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Can we invade??
Drawing people from around the country will be an easy feat because of all the contacts we have and the snow in the winter is a big plus for skiers and snowmobilers,and ice fishing to.
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Why is this beginning to remind me of the 10th Mountain Division?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:30:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 4:33:20 PM EDT by Stormbringer]
Originally Posted By jrzy: ,but vermont has much more appeal and we can draw canadians down who can not own or shoot AR15's in canada. .
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jrzy......you might just want to learn a little more about your neighbours...... These are mine....the only people who cannot have ARs are the criminals...we can also have bayo lugs, short barrels etc. [img]http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/Stormbringer666/blackrifles.jpg[/img] 71..........BRING IT ON!!![50]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:44:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Stormbringer:
Originally Posted By jrzy: ,but vermont has much more appeal and we can draw canadians down who can not own or shoot AR15's in canada. .
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jrzy......you might just want to learn a little more about your neighbours...... These are mine....the only people who cannot have ARs are the criminals...we can also have bayo lugs, short barrels etc. [img]http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/Stormbringer666/blackrifles.jpg[/img] 71..........BRING IT ON!!![50]
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My sincere apology's Storm I hate it when someone get NJ's laws wrong and I know where you're coming from.Sorry
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 4:51:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 4:53:48 PM EDT by BenDover]
In order to make it somewhat a viable project, I would want to see a community association or "operating entity". Planned communities are nothing new. In my home county, a bunch of people decided to get together and buy a bunch of acreage to build a dam across a creek. The resulting lake community is now larger than the county seat. Also, there are timeshared resort development operators that could be contracted.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 5:06:11 PM EDT
Keep me up to date on this, will ya? Might be interested.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 5:13:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle: Can't we just buy Montana instead?
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no, i already own it
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 8:54:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 8:56:41 PM EDT by Dragracer_Art]
2 miles of Canadian border huh ? Does this mean we can smuggle high-flow toilets into the US ??? This all sounds like a very "doable" thing... Put a deposit on the property to secure the deal, shake the AR15.com member tree and see how much loose change falls out of our pockets... This whole deal here seems like a "Win-win" situation... A few of my own dumb ideas: 1) You could sell off some of the timber to recoup some money... 2) You could build an "upscale" hunting lodge that caters to the rich & famous... 3) You could sub-divide and sell off a few small plots to other members... 4) You could do 10 acre parcels for 50 people, and still have 670 acres available to hunt or use for recreation... I'll keep following this thread... I've got plenty of equity in my home to get on board if it comes down to it...
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:03:27 PM EDT
So if I buy into this all I need is a double wide trailer, lots of junked out non-running cars, a bath tub with trasmission in it for the front yard, lots of tighty whiteys, and hanes tank tops? [:)]
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 6:28:31 AM EDT
Hmmm, Before you go any further, you need to see how this is going to work. In other words, I have seen a good number of posts about what to do with the land... You better figure up some sort of voting system or something and some way to have ideas and motions heard. I am not saying there will be any, but just in case. Some sort of voting method. You had better organize this affair before it comes back to bite someone in the ass. Anyways. Good Luck to you guys.. Ben
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 6:46:17 AM EDT
Where is the nearest airport in relation to this property? I went to school in southern NH and have relatives in southern VT. and northern VT has a lot more cows than people and the northern part of the state is not loaded with amenities. That which makes it desireable also makes it inaccessable to many. From here on Long Island it would be a good 10-12 hours drive to the northern part of the state. How much use do most of us think they would reallyl get out of this location??? Winter lasts a long time up there and the snow cover lingers long into the spring. I love VT but also would look into other locations before doing anything impulsive. my .02
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 6:49:16 AM EDT
Put me down as a tenitive. I am interested in buying land in Vt anyway, sounds like if this is done right the niebors will be the right kind... Just a bit further north than I wanted.
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 10:42:06 AM EDT
"...I got some, [b]OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY[/b] in Aaaa-Ra---zo---na... From my front porch I can see the sea..."
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 10:43:26 AM EDT
I could get in assuming it is under 20K, and I have at least 4 weeks advance notice.
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 11:47:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/24/2002 11:49:41 AM EDT by GoatBoy]
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 2:09:19 PM EDT
GB, I'm assuming $16K is for the property investment, what are the taxes? Do you have any approximations on the cost of facilities? Good plans, but $16k would be the tip of the iceberg, you'll need people with more than that in venture capital. How about money for lawyers? You'll need them for sure, especially within 2 miles of the Canuk border. I'm only assuming, but its better to have contingency plans, than to be screwed with no money and have to sell the project. Will you screen your investors for financial ability to carry through to the end of the project? If they can't, will you be prepared to let them keep their 1/50th share of the property? (Again, you'll need contract lawyers.) Then again, I do not know how you came up with the $16k number, so I guess at this point I'm only asking if you have everything considered in your price, or if this is prop only?
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 4:07:54 PM EDT
Balzac72 I have talking with the realtor and i have been working some numbers with GB,so i can tell you what i know so far,the taxes are about $5200.00 a year right now with the house and some out buildings,the 16K is the outlay for the purchaes of the property,The sale of some of the hardwoods would go a long way to the building fund and other projects for the property,if you think about it ,to build a range all we need is a guy using a bulldozer to build burms,thats the basics and there are very inexpensive ways to build really nice cabins,the A frame is one and i have most if not all the contacts to save us a great deal of money on most of the projects. If we put one half down and as a group finance the balance $400,000.00,that comes to $8000.00 owed per member at 7.5 annual interest,that payment would be $160.00 a month for 5 years. The benefit of doing it like that is a smaller outlay of cash at first for the members that come on board and we would get back almost $400,000.00 for timber right away to use for the project it self. These numbers are based on 50 members. There are many options avilable to us and we will need to get together on who is in and who is not tentatively of course and then go from there and establish riles and by-laws and iron out details. I will also look into other property up there and see if we can get a better deal,but the area is exactly what we want i believe.
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 5:42:01 PM EDT
im going to do a visual on the area this weekend hopefully. will post the humint report when i get back. im definitely in, just want to get a feel for the area. oh and ill take digi pictures too.
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