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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:01:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2007 3:04:55 PM EDT by America-first]
New York's governor Elliot Spitzer promissed "increased security measures" will be enforced to positively identify ithe llegal aliens to whom he plans to issue driver's licenses.

One of the documents that will be acceptable in lieu of a US birth certificate and a valid social security number, will be an illegals' freaking parole papers.

Mr. Spitzer's position is that since over 500,000 illegals are driving anyway, he might as well issue them licenses, and refusing to give them driver's licenses would be tantamount to "inviting" them to forge ID and engage in identity theft.

By the same reasoning, since many of these illegal felons regularly carry illegally without CCWs, he may as well issue them CCWs at the same time.

You can't make this shit up.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:02:29 PM EDT
Another day in paradise.

Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:05:25 PM EDT
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:06:03 PM EDT
Me too.


Give them the ID.


Then arrest them as they step outside the DMV office, and deport them.



Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:08:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By America-first:

Mr. Spitzer's position is that since over 500,000 illegals are driving anyway, he might as well issue them licenses, and refusing to give them driver's licenses would be tantamount to "inviting" them to forge ID and engage in identity theft.

By the same reasoning, since many of these illegal felons regularly carry illegally without CCWs, he may as well issue them CCWs at the same time.

You can't make this shit up.


This is probably the best anti-gun control argument I have ever heard. Don't start taking away guns because we will just get illegal ones anyways.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:08:08 PM EDT
Spitzer is a fucking assclown. What do you expect from a state that welcomed Hitlery.

6 County Clerks have bascially said fuck you and won't be doing it. The Repubs are threatening to sue. This guy has done nothing but start shit since he took power (TrooperGate).

Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:09:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?

Aren't illegal alien felons supposed to be deported?

They'll be swarming to New York State; fortunately I'm outta here real soon.

Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:13:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:15:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TomHighway:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Mr. Spitzer's position is that since over 500,000 illegals are driving anyway, he might as well issue them licenses, and refusing to give them driver's licenses would be tantamount to "inviting" them to forge ID and engage in identity theft.

By the same reasoning, since many of these illegal felons regularly carry illegally without CCWs, he may as well issue them CCWs at the same time.

You can't make this shit up.


This is probably the best anti-gun control argument I have ever heard. Don't start taking away guns because we will just get illegal ones anyways.


It seemed appropriate to point that out.

The liberal NY asshats always talk about "getting illegal guns off the street"; but the now morons will be importing illegal gunmen.

If I had my way; when an illegal showed up at the DMV with his parole papers, I'd have him or her escorted to a waiting van to a holding area pending deportation.

But that's just me.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:16:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"



If you really think they're 'registering' them so we can easily deport them, then I don't know what to say.

Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:19:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"



If you really think they're 'registering' them so we can easily deport them, then I don't know what to say.



No thats not what i think. However it has the same net effect.

I police an illegal immigrant community. i can tell you the single biggest issue in policing illegals is their constant use of false indentities. They never use the same name or DOB twice when they get busted. therefore they never rack up a significant criminal history, always being a "first time offender."

Hold them to one identity and those priors start adding up to the point they can be imprisoned instead of cited and released.

Its a long process by getting them to use one identity starts that process.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:21:44 PM EDT
When they apply --deport them document them never let them come back.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:21:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"


I respectfully disagree; if they're driving illegaly they shoild be arrested and when it's discovered they're felons to boot, they should be deported.

Decriminalizing illegal behavior only serves to reward the criminal at the expense of the rest of legitimate society.

You don't spread molasses at your front door if you don't want to attract ants.

Issuing New York State driver's licenses to illegal alien felons based on solely their parole papers as a means of identification, would lead them to New York like an army of ants.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:23:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"



If you really think they're 'registering' them so we can easily deport them, then I don't know what to say.



+1000

They're issuing them valid NYS ID in order to legitimize them thereby validating their presence here.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:25:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"



If you really think they're 'registering' them so we can easily deport them, then I don't know what to say.



No thats not what i think. However it has the same net effect.

I police an illegal immigrant community. i can tell you the single biggest issue in policing illegals is their constant use of false indentities. They never use the same name or DOB twice when they get busted. therefore they never rack up a significant criminal history, always being a "first time offender."

Hold them to one identity and those priors start adding up to the point they can be imprisoned instead of cited and released.

Its a long process by getting them to use one identity starts that process.



I see what you're saying, and sympathize. And even agree.

But the appropriate solution is to simply deport them FOR being illegal.

I know you don't have any control over that in your job, though.

Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:25:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"


I respectfully disagree; if they're driving illegaly they shoild be arrested and when it's discovered they're felons to boot, they should be deported.


That does not and will not ever happen. Unlicened driver is not even a bookable offense most places. Its a traffic citation. If they dont have ID then they get cited in whatever name they make up. Giving a different name each time. thats the reality of the situation.

Clearly i would supoort making unlicensed drivng a jailable offense. But its realistically not going to happen with the jail so overcrowded.

So do you want Julio Sanchez prosectuted as Julio Sanchez every time he fucks up. Or do you want him to continue to give a false name everytime and never get prosecuted? Because those are your only realistic options.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:25:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Primos:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"



If you really think they're 'registering' them so we can easily deport them, then I don't know what to say.



No thats not what i think. However it has the same net effect.

I police an illegal immigrant community. i can tell you the single biggest issue in policing illegals is their constant use of false indentities. They never use the same name or DOB twice when they get busted. therefore they never rack up a significant criminal history, always being a "first time offender."

Hold them to one identity and those priors start adding up to the point they can be imprisoned instead of cited and released.

Its a long process by getting them to use one identity starts that process.


There's no way they'll "settle" for obtaining only one drivers license.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:30:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"


I respectfully disagree; if they're driving illegaly they shoild be arrested and when it's discovered they're felons to boot, they should be deported.


That does not and will not ever happen. Unlicened driver is not even a bookable offense most places. Its a traffic citation. If they dont have ID then they get cited in whatever name they make up. Giving a different name each time. thats the reality of the situation.

Clearly i would supoort making unlicensed drivng a jailable offense. But its realistically not going to happen with the jail so overcrowded.

So do you want Julio Sanchez prosectuted as Julio Sanchez every time he fucks up. Or do you want him to continue to give a false name everytime and never get prosecuted? Because those are your only realistic options.


I realize you have first hand first hand experience, but I'd rather see the laws changed to make driving without a license and valid iD a bookable offense so that they could be checked for warrants and previous violations under aliases.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:33:37 PM EDT
No doubt somebody is paying Spitzer to take this position. He is one of the most corrupt politicians in the U.S.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:35:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?



I believe the benifits of getting him to carry around ID and more importantly forcing him to commit to one identity is more than worth the smybolic loss of giving them the privaledge of legally driving.

giving IDs to illegals would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. "registration leads to confiscation"


I respectfully disagree; if they're driving illegaly they shoild be arrested and when it's discovered they're felons to boot, they should be deported.


That does not and will not ever happen. Unlicened driver is not even a bookable offense most places. Its a traffic citation. If they dont have ID then they get cited in whatever name they make up. Giving a different name each time. thats the reality of the situation.

Clearly i would supoort making unlicensed drivng a jailable offense. But its realistically not going to happen with the jail so overcrowded.

So do you want Julio Sanchez prosectuted as Julio Sanchez every time he fucks up. Or do you want him to continue to give a false name everytime and never get prosecuted? Because those are your only realistic options.


I realize you have first hand first hand experience, but I'd rather see the laws changed to make driving without a license and valid iD a bookable offense so that they could be checked for warrants and previous violations under aliases.


So would I. Some states that is the law. Sadly my state is not one of them.

I have to resort to carrying around a stack of polaroids. first time i cite a new one i take his picture. Whatever name and DOB he gives at that time is the one i will hold him to from that point forward absent strong evidence otherwise. But in court the defense will argue that he lied the first time and this time its his real name.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:58:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Extorris:

Originally Posted By America-first:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I'm in favor of giving IDs to illegals. It will be a usefull tool for local LE and will cut down on identity theft.


Do you believe that an illegal alien's parole papers should earn him the privilige of obtaining a valid driver's license?

Aren't illegal alien felons supposed to be deported?

They'll be swarming to New York State; fortunately I'm outta here real soon.



Same here, 6 years and counting til departure.


Unlicened driver is not even a bookable offense most places. Its a traffic citation. If they dont have ID then they get cited in whatever name they make up.


It used to be like that here in NYC but now we can put 'em thru the system if they have no license or ID.


And what's with all those illegals always using North Carolina tags?

By the way you guys do a great job under the circumstances.

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