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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:31:51 AM EDT
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That just makes too much sense.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:33:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:34:37 AM EDT
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So you would prefer active duty folks, and those that live in Apts cannot vote?
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:35:53 AM EDT
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You should be required to be a citizen.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:36:09 AM EDT
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So, military shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Also, it's one man, one vote; isn't that kinda what America is all about? |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:36:21 AM EDT
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No.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:37:03 AM EDT
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The disenfranchisement brigade is on the scene again!
Try to change minds, not voting qualifications. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:37:04 AM EDT
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I'd prefer a poll tax. $5,000 to vote in a nationwide election. You want a voice, you have to contribute.
Land is a bad idea as production is not tied to the land. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:37:48 AM EDT
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You should be required to be a citizen. That's already a requirement. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:37:54 AM EDT
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Well? Personally, while I don't own land, nor am I a section ghetto rat, I think having to be a land owner to vote would be a good thing. 1. It would motivate democracy minded folks to work hard to achieve goals in life. Example: A man works harder to have more moeny so he can one day own property, or a home or something. 2. It would automatically bar most of the Democratic Parties "Roots" from voting. Example: Scumbag section 8'er gets turned around come election day. Leeches shouldn't be allowed to vote, plain and simple. I won't explain why leeches shouldn't be allowed to vote, if I do, than your already a lost cause. Somethings our Founding Fathers got right. They knew right off the bat that people that own/nor contribute to anything have little right to decide the fate of the nation during elections. Ridiculous on so many levels. But ponder this batman. If there is any property tax, then guess what. You Don't Own Any Land or Houses. You merely rent it from the government. Don't believe me? Try this experiment. Don't pay your property taxes, and see how long til the State comes in a takes your property by force. Land "owners" hahahahahhaha. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:38:10 AM EDT
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The disenfranchisement brigade is on the scene again! Try to change minds, not voting qualifications. People who don't contribute but gain benefit from uncle sugar will never have their mind changed. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:38:36 AM EDT
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Better than what we have now.
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So, military shouldn't be allowed to vote? Also, it's one man, one vote; isn't that kinda what America is all about? No |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:38:44 AM EDT
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You know, on the left we have fucktards who believe no one should fail so no one should succeed, we all move forward together as a homogenous blob - from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
Then on the right, we have folks who think we should exclude all those who aren't successful or productive. Freedom is a balancing act, I guess. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:38:53 AM EDT
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No. You should be a tax paying citizen who does not receive any government handouts.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:39:22 AM EDT
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Yes
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:39:46 AM EDT
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So you would prefer active duty folks, and those that live in Apts cannot vote? Really? First, just because I don't have a neat little Tank doesn't mean I'm not AD .mil.... I want a Jet, I'm not a crunchy/gun bunny/tank kinda guy.... 
Second, there can be exceptions, just like any other law. Third, don't pretend there aren't many worthless leaches in the DoD... 
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:39:50 AM EDT
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require a net worth minimum....
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:39:53 AM EDT
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That exact idea/belief was accepted generations ago because they understood that you had to have "skin in the game" in order to vote responsibly.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:40:16 AM EDT
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Wow, never seen this come up before. Nope, not once has this ever been beaten to death on this forum.
It shouldn't be to much longer before someone chimes in that only veterans should vote. Sorry, but I really have no interest in living in a dictatorship of the landed aristocracy. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:40:42 AM EDT
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Well? Personally, while I don't own land, nor am I a section ghetto rat, I think having to be a land owner to vote would be a good thing. 1. It would motivate democracy minded folks to work hard to achieve goals in life. Example: A man works harder to have more moeny so he can one day own property, or a home or something. 2. It would automatically bar most of the Democratic Parties "Roots" from voting. Example: Scumbag section 8'er gets turned around come election day. Leeches shouldn't be allowed to vote, plain and simple. I won't explain why leeches shouldn't be allowed to vote, if I do, than your already a lost cause. Somethings our Founding Fathers got right. They knew right off the bat that people that own/nor contribute to anything have little right to decide the fate of the nation during elections. Ridiculous on so many levels. But ponder this batman. If there is any property tax, then guess what. You Don't Own Any Land or Houses. You merely rent it from the government. Don't believe me? Try this experiment. Don't pay your property taxes, and see how long til the State comes in a takes your property by force. Land "owners" hahahahahhaha. How will Ron Paul save us? |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:40:52 AM EDT
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I would rather anyone who benefits directly from the .gov be permanetly banned from voting. Welfare, business subsidies, tax credit for an efficient furnace, anything that puts $ in your pocket.
Of course, those things should not exist in the first place, but since it would be almost impossible to rid ourselves of them, there should be substantial consequences for accepting them. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:41:03 AM EDT
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I believe on a national level everyone who's a citizen should get a vote.
At local government level, I believe only those who have skin in the game should be able to vote on matters that involve public funding which utilize property tax. In my county there are so many illegals and jobless-by-design assholes who have NO trouble voting themselves to another heaping serving at the trough of property tax funding, and it's got to stop. Any bill that increases taxes on a land owner should only be voted upon by land owners. Period. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:41:43 AM EDT
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sure, as long as nobody else has to pay any taxes or government fees.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:41:54 AM EDT
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Wow, never seen this come up before. Nope, not once has this ever been beaten to death on this forum. It shouldn't be to much longer before someone chimes in that only veterans should vote. Sorry, but I really have no interest in living in a dictatorship of the landed aristocracy. Boy you would have hated this country awhile ago... |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:42:41 AM EDT
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That just makes too much sense. No. It makes no sense. Being able to decide your own governement is a Natural/Human/God-given Right. Being able to vote for wealth transfers from those richer than you is not, and is forbidden by our Constitution. We should follow the Constitution. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:42:46 AM EDT
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The disenfranchisement brigade is on the scene again! Try to change minds, not voting qualifications. How do you "change" the minds that are dependent upon free government cheese? A popular vote is going to do nothing but leads us more and more into Socialism. That's a plain, simple fact. So... is that OK? Is it all right that we become a totalitarian Socialist police state, or is it acceptable to change the requirements for voting to fix that? I have no problem whatsoever with granting the franchise to those who are gainfully employed, engaged in public service, net contributors to society, etc. I don't understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea for any sadsack who manages to keep drawing breath to have an equal say. Millions of people are stupid, uneducated, lazy, and care nothing other than what goodies will be shoveled into their maws. Why, exactly, is it desirable to allow them to vote? |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:43:17 AM EDT
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So I'm a leach because I don't own land?
What if you have a mortgage, technically the bank owns it. Do you get to vote then? Reason number two is why I disagree with it. It's simply an attempt to prevent a group of people from voting. It's bullshit, regardless of whatever general political affiliation those your attempting to disenfranchise may be. Be a citizen or naturalized, show ID, and not be currently incarcerated. That's it. Anyone removes my ballot box I'm going straight to the cartridge box. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:43:20 AM EDT
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Absolutely not.
I would be interested in seeing some type of test to make sure you actually understand how the government is supposed to work, but that's not likely either. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:43:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: I would rather anyone who benefits directly from the .gov be permanetly banned from voting. Welfare, business subsidies, tax credit for an efficient furnace, anything that puts $ in your pocket. Of course, those things should not exist in the first place, but since it would be almost impossible to rid ourselves of them, there should be substantial consequences for accepting them. So that rules out every soldier, sailor, Marine, airman, policeman, firefighter, street-sweeper, dog-catcher, etc. Great plan. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:43:49 AM EDT
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You should be required to be a citizen. That's already a requirement. More of a suggestion in some areas.... 
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:44:00 AM EDT
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why don't we just stop beating around the bush and say you have to be a white man to vote?
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:44:05 AM EDT
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Only tax payers should vote IMHO.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:44:17 AM EDT
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Yes, it should be mandatory. If I buy 10 acres of waterless Arizona border for 12,000 USD; and sell all of it as 1' squares of Arizona border for 15 dollars each from my website, that's 43,560 new voters and 424 thousand dollars profit, and buyers can pay the land taxes themselves.
You know, selling 1 inch square bits of land would probably be smarter. I'd need to fund kickbacks to the Congressmen who passed this measure, so that only certified land-sellers may sell vote-eligible land. Good monopolies start early. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:44:51 AM EDT
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You should be required to be a citizen. That's already a requirement. Guess I'm 235 years late to the party. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:45:10 AM EDT
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So you would prefer active duty folks, and those that live in Apts cannot vote? Really? Thanks for not letting the troops vote. Us fighting for your freedom isn't worth it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:45:16 AM EDT
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Dead people should not be allowed to vote.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:45:17 AM EDT
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2. It would automatically bar most of the Democratic Parties "Roots" from voting. Example: Scumbag section 8'er gets turned around come election day. Before the law even passed you would see well funded left wing "developers" buy up all the cheap property in places like Detroit. Then they would practically give it away to people who would be likely to vote for their approved candidates. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:45:28 AM EDT
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People with a mortgage aren't land owners, right?
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:45:50 AM EDT
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You should be required to be a citizen. That's already a requirement. More of a guideline, really... 
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:47:32 AM EDT
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I would rather anyone who benefits directly from the .gov be permanetly banned from voting. Welfare, business subsidies, tax credit for an efficient furnace, anything that puts $ in your pocket. Of course, those things should not exist in the first place, but since it would be almost impossible to rid ourselves of them, there should be substantial consequences for accepting them. You wanna slow down and rethink or reword that thing about anyone who benefits directly from .gov? |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:48:09 AM EDT
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Dupe #501 on this topic
Maybe only land owners should be able to own guns. Fuck the people who rent. Back to Feudalism we go. Cool for me, I can prove 700 years of a Nobel blood line. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:48:11 AM EDT
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So you would prefer active duty folks, and those that live in Apts cannot vote? Really? Thanks for not letting the troops vote. Us fighting for your freedom isn't worth it. I'm active duty, Cowboy. Plenty of douchebags and leeches in the Military too. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:48:22 AM EDT
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Only tax payers should vote IMHO. This, and not the ones that get back more than they pay in. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:48:24 AM EDT
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Well? Personally, while I don't own land, nor am I a section ghetto rat, I think having to be a land owner to vote would be a good thing. 1. It would motivate democracy minded folks to work hard to achieve goals in life. Example: A man works harder to have more moeny so he can one day own property, or a home or something. 2. It would automatically bar most of the Democratic Parties "Roots" from voting. Example: Scumbag section 8'er gets turned around come election day. Leeches shouldn't be allowed to vote, plain and simple. I won't explain why leeches shouldn't be allowed to vote, if I do, than your already a lost cause. Somethings our Founding Fathers got right. They knew right off the bat that people that own/nor contribute to anything have little right to decide the fate of the nation during elections. Ridiculous on so many levels. But ponder this batman. If there is any property tax, then guess what. You Don't Own Any Land or Houses. You merely rent it from the government. Don't believe me? Try this experiment. Don't pay your property taxes, and see how long til the State comes in a takes your property by force. Land "owners" hahahahahhaha. You sound like a typical renter |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:48:43 AM EDT
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That exact idea/belief was accepted generations ago because they understood that you had to have "skin in the game" in order to vote responsibly. Skin in the game? You mean like being subject to all the same laws and regulations you are? The fact that this is my HOME is my skin in the game. You exempt me from all taxation, Federal and State statutes, and I might think about it. Might. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:49:09 AM EDT
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Sadly true.
I would not mind there being something about having to be a citizen AND a taxpayer (actually paying something). You need to belong, AND contribute to get a vote. Foriegners and worthless leeches can FO! -ZA Quoted:
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Well? Personally, while I don't own land, nor am I a section ghetto rat, I think having to be a land owner to vote would be a good thing. 1. It would motivate democracy minded folks to work hard to achieve goals in life. Example: A man works harder to have more moeny so he can one day own property, or a home or something. 2. It would automatically bar most of the Democratic Parties "Roots" from voting. Example: Scumbag section 8'er gets turned around come election day. Leeches shouldn't be allowed to vote, plain and simple. I won't explain why leeches shouldn't be allowed to vote, if I do, than your already a lost cause. Somethings our Founding Fathers got right. They knew right off the bat that people that own/nor contribute to anything have little right to decide the fate of the nation during elections. Ridiculous on so many levels. But ponder this batman. If there is any property tax, then guess what. You Don't Own Any Land or Houses. You merely rent it from the government. Don't believe me? Try this experiment. Don't pay your property taxes, and see how long til the State comes in a takes your property by force. Land "owners" hahahahahhaha. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:50:20 AM EDT
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No
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:52:27 AM EDT
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the stupid is in full force today. dumbest idea ever
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:52:59 AM EDT
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The disenfranchisement brigade is on the scene again! Try to change minds, not voting qualifications. How do you "change" the minds that are dependent upon free government cheese? A popular vote is going to do nothing but leads us more and more into Socialism. That's a plain, simple fact. So... is that OK? Is it all right that we become a totalitarian Socialist police state, or is it acceptable to change the requirements for voting to fix that? I have no problem whatsoever with granting the franchise to those who are gainfully employed, engaged in public service, net contributors to society, etc. I don't understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea for any sadsack who manages to keep drawing breath to have an equal say. Millions of people are stupid, uneducated, lazy, and care nothing other than what goodies will be shoveled into their maws. Why, exactly, is it desirable to allow them to vote? What you are proposing is a caste system which will only lead to further problems, perhaps even oligarchy, as precedent now compels competing parties move to eliminate the power bases of their opponents. I'd move to eliminate the voting rights of all who regularly use the word 'prolly', believe that the world is their trash can or have ever attended a WWF event.
Our welfare state is not tied to voting as much as it's tied to pandering to who votes. Cutting off some voters just changes the targeting, not the elemental problems of an undisciplined system. Restricting voting is NOT a silver bullet for our problems. |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:54:50 AM EDT
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That has NEVER been a requirement to vote in US history. Non-landowners have legally voted in every federal election.
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