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Posted: 1/23/2006 7:28:27 AM EDT
Instead of being limited to two terms should a sitting President be allowed to run for 3rd or even a 4th term during a time of war?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:30:55 AM EDT
Nope.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:31:23 AM EDT
Hell no.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:31:24 AM EDT
No fucking way.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:31:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
Nope.


+1
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:31:59 AM EDT
No.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:34:09 AM EDT
no
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:34:28 AM EDT
No way, this would only encourage the POTUS to start a war.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:34:38 AM EDT
Just want to elaborate:

the tinfoil hat side of me concerns me that any politico that wants an authoritarian regime could start picking fights to keep him/herself in the President's chair just by virtue of "not switching horses mid-race".
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:34:39 AM EDT
Hell no.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:35:08 AM EDT
Put down the crack pipe.

Hell no.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:35:40 AM EDT
hell no
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:36:08 AM EDT
No way. I think 2 terms should be the max for all legislative branches.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:36:17 AM EDT
Absolutely not.

Doesn't matter anyway. I don't think we've officially been at war since 1945. Congress will never decare war on another country again. Too un-PC. We'll just have "police actions" from now on.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:36:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
No fucking way.



+1
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:37:02 AM EDT
NO
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:37:46 AM EDT
NO
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:37:52 AM EDT
No. Why?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:38:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
Just want to elaborate:

the tinfoil hat side of me concerns me that any politico that wants an authoritarian regime could start picking fights to keep him/herself in the President's chair just by virtue of "not switching horses mid-race".



Exactly. How long can we expect "the global war on terror" to last? Most of the rest of my lifetime? I voted for GWB twice but I may not want him as my President 20 years from now. Reagan maybe but Dubbya? Not likely.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:40:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Instead of being limited to two terms should a sitting President be allowed to run for 3rd or even a 4th term during a time of war?



That would give the President incentive to engage in war to so he can further his political ambition.

Why not just let him crown himself king, like Napoleon?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:41:05 AM EDT
I'm not a big fan of term limits from a theoretical point of view. Hey, if someone is the people's choice then they should be elligible to serve as long as they want him. The reality is that encumbants in our current system have an incredible advantage and unless they kill someone by driving off a bridge they won't be removed from... well... um, anyway, they have a big advantage.

If you alter the current 2-term limit it actually becomes an incentive for a President to keep a war going indefinately. I think our system can handle the election process and change of powers in all but the most dire of circumstances. Therefore don't change the Constitution.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:41:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 7:42:43 AM EDT by staraero]

Change the Constitution
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:41:50 AM EDT
Nope. Never. Now F'ing Way.


[thread hijack]
IIRC, the language in the Constitution limits a POTUS to two consecutive terms, therefore a POTUS that completed their 8 years, has 4 years off, then would be eligible to run again.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:42:51 AM EDT
why not just make him king for life?
This used to be a Republic. It no longer is thanks to the growth of executive power.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:44:31 AM EDT
No. Then you'd have someone purposely losing the war just to stay in office.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:46:21 AM EDT
No. Absolutely No.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:50:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 7:51:39 AM EDT by Admiral_Crunch]

Originally Posted By cheaptrickfan:
IIRC, the language in the Constitution limits a POTUS to two consecutive terms, therefore a POTUS that completed their 8 years, has 4 years off, then would be eligible to run again.



No. It doesn't specify consecutive. Clinton would have run again in a heartbeat in 2004 if he could have.


No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:52:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmarkma:
No way, this would only encourage the POTUS to start a war.


For exactly that reason.

That said, I think that since FDR got to do it, our side should get to do it (just once) to even us out.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:54:12 AM EDT
Here is a little history. The 1st PotUS Geo Washington, served only 2 terms, and every PotUS served 2 term up until our "friend" Franklin Roosevelt(who brought us the New Deal that will screw over the baby boomers), who served 3 terms and died in office. After that, an amendment to the US Constitution limited the PotUS to 2 terms. Me? I too would go with 2 terms.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:56:01 AM EDT
I think we should concentrate on limiting Senators to two terms.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:57:56 AM EDT
Hell, No!!!
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:58:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Instead of being limited to two terms should a sitting President be allowed to run for 3rd or even a 4th term during a time of war?



Nope.

I want to extend the two term limit to the senate and house also along with drastically reducing any benefits they get from serving (no retirement, no money to rent cars or houses, etc)
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:58:57 AM EDT
No.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:01:05 AM EDT
IBTP and no.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:02:12 AM EDT
Just what we need--an incentive for the Prez to get us into war. I'll pass.
Do away with the term limit in it's entirety or not at all.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:12:57 AM EDT
no.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:15:59 AM EDT
I'd like to see the presidential term changed to a single six-year term. This would enable the president to focus on what needs to be done, rather than making concessions for future votes.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:16:36 AM EDT
no fucking way
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:17:29 AM EDT
This question should be posted at DU
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:19:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:22:04 AM EDT
Of course not! But that didn't stop FDR. If anything needs to be added to the constitution, its underlining the part stating that there shall be no standing Army in times of peace. But that doesn't really help: there is no way from stopping us from going to war every so often just to keep a standing Army.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:23:20 AM EDT
No way.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:24:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By intruder13:
Of course not! But that didn't stop FDR. If anything needs to be added to the constitution, its underlining the part stating that there shall be no standing Army in times of peace. But that doesn't really help: there is no way from stopping us from going to war every so often just to keep a standing Army.



FDR pre-dates the two-term Amendment.

Amendment XXII - Presidential term limits. Ratified 2/27/1951. History

1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:26:21 AM EDT
No EFFING way!

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:26:32 AM EDT
Not only no, but fuck no.

2 GWB terms will be plenty thanks.

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:27:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:27:29 AM EDT
No.

A great part of the strength of this country is our ability to change leadership peacefully, without blood shed, and without disruption to every day life or the basic functioning of the government.

Now, the current batch of Democrats, Greens, Commies, and Muslims would like to change that paradigm, but we are still safe for a while.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:29:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SoCalJBT:
I'd like to see the presidential term changed to a single six-year term. This would enable the president to focus on what needs to be done, rather than making concessions for future votes.



Very interesting.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:30:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SoCalJBT:
FDR pre-dates the two-term Amendment.


Learned something. Thanks! I'm not that much of a history buff, but from what I've heard about him, he could have been a real dictator. I knew he was messed up from what he said about the SCOTUS. Also, IIRC, he had the defintion of "Republic" and "Democracy" removed from a United States Army Training manual.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:30:22 AM EDT
NO !!!


next question?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:32:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By SoCalJBT:
I'd like to see the presidential term changed to a single six-year term. This would enable the president to focus on what needs to be done, rather than making concessions for future votes.



Very interesting.



Yup, I like that, but you also have the other angle. He'd have a couple years to get things done and then he'd be stuck in the "outgoing president" mode. Hell, the press is gearing up for the next campaign before the man lays a hand on the bible.
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