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Posted: 4/18/2016 1:16:23 AM EDT
Assume that the patient orders it, consents to it, and fully understands what is going on/what will happen.

Should it be legal in cases only where the patient is terminally ill? What about cases where the patient is permanently damaged (maimed, horribly disfigured, paralyzed, etc.)? Or should it be acceptable in all cases (e.g., the person has social issues or something and just wants to die)?
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:16:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sturmgeist:
Assume that the patient orders it, consents to it, and fully understands what is going on/what will happen.

Should it be legal in cases only where the patient is terminally ill? What about cases where the patient is permanently damaged (maimed, horribly disfigured, paralyzed, etc.)? Or should it be acceptable in all cases (e.g., the person has social issues or something and just wants to die)?
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Yes.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:17:52 AM EDT
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Yes.
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Originally Posted By OKSoda:
Originally Posted By Sturmgeist:
Assume that the patient orders it, consents to it, and fully understands what is going on/what will happen.

Should it be legal in cases only where the patient is terminally ill? What about cases where the patient is permanently damaged (maimed, horribly disfigured, paralyzed, etc.)? Or should it be acceptable in all cases (e.g., the person has social issues or something and just wants to die)?


Yes.

Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:18:28 AM EDT
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Yes.

I am fighting Pancreatic caner right now.

What scares me more than dying is my family having to see me die in pain and agony.

We love our pets enough to end their suffering when it is time, why don't we love our family members enough to allow the same thing?
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:18:36 AM EDT
Yes free will and all.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:19:51 AM EDT
Yes
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:19:54 AM EDT
Vice had an interesting episode on this.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:20:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BIG_PAPA:
Yes.

I am fighting Pancreatic caner right now.

What scares me more than dying is my family having to see me die in pain and agony.

We love our pets enough to end their suffering when it is time, why don't we love our family members enough to allow the same thing?
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Damn, I'm sorry to hear that.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:21:53 AM EDT
Yes
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:24:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:24:23 AM EDT
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Speaking as one who was so ill, for months at a time over a period of several years, that I sincerely wanted to die, I say yes. It should definitely be legal, in all cases.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:29:12 AM EDT
Yup
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:45:55 AM EDT
Yes.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:47:31 AM EDT
Yes.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:50:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BIG_PAPA:
Yes.

I am fighting Pancreatic caner right now.

What scares me more than dying is my family having to see me die in pain and agony.

We love our pets enough to end their suffering when it is time, why don't we love our family members enough to allow the same thing?
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Good luck man, hope you kick cancers ass.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:53:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BIG_PAPA:
Yes.

I am fighting Pancreatic caner right now.

What scares me more than dying is my family having to see me die in pain and agony.

We love our pets enough to end their suffering when it is time, why don't we love our family members enough to allow the same thing?
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God bless you, and your family.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:54:54 AM EDT
Damn Arfcom....you confusing

I read threads on here where you call suicides, selfish cowardly pussies, and every other name in the book....but ITT we support suicide?

I'm confused...
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:57:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ATC:
Damn Arfcom....you confusing

I read threads on here where you call suicides, selfish cowardly pussies, and every other name in the book....but ITT we support suicide?

I'm confused...
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Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you should deprive someone the right to do it.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:57:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By stanc:
Speaking as one who was so ill, for months at a time over a period of several years, that I sincerely wanted to die, I say yes. It should definitely be legal, in all cases.
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Speaking as one who was going thru a terrible illness for a long time, and came within days of death, had thoughts of suicide, I am happy it wasn't legal then because I have recovered fully and very happy to be alive.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 1:59:51 AM EDT
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It already is. It has a code phrase : "we can make his last days more comfortable" I don't have a problem with it .
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:00:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BIG_PAPA:
Yes.

I am fighting Pancreatic caner right now.

What scares me more than dying is my family having to see me die in pain and agony.

We love our pets enough to end their suffering when it is time, why don't we love our family members enough to allow the same thing?
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God bless you and may you go quickly.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:10:58 AM EDT
Everyone has the right to decide when it is their time.

And fuck any statist government that thinks otherwise.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:12:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By the-fly:
Everyone has the right to decide when it is their time.

And fuck any statist government that thinks otherwise.
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This right here.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:14:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By the-fly:
Everyone has the right to decide when it is their time.

And fuck any statist government that thinks otherwise.
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Don't you worry. The statist Government will be happy to accommodate your wishes.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:16:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ewetstone:


Don't you worry. The statist Government will be happy to accommodate your wishes.
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Originally Posted By ewetstone:
Originally Posted By the-fly:
Everyone has the right to decide when it is their time.

And fuck any statist government that thinks otherwise.


Don't you worry. The statist Government will be happy to accommodate your wishes.


This.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:16:58 AM EDT
If someone wants to end their life, they're going to do it if they are still physically capable of it. It's their life no one else's.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:18:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TT4life:


Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you should deprive someone the right to do it.
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Originally Posted By ATC:
Damn Arfcom....you confusing

I read threads on here where you call suicides, selfish cowardly pussies, and every other name in the book....but ITT we support suicide?

I'm confused...


Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you should deprive someone the right to do it.


Who says I disagree with it? I've fully supported suicides for as long as I can remember.

I've always though that it was pretty selfish of the families....not selfish of the person committing suicide. Hell, going through with it takes balls!
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:23:18 AM EDT
I don't think I have a right to tell them its illegal.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:26:20 AM EDT
My life. Your life. Should be our choice.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:26:59 AM EDT
Bodily autonomy is the most basic right.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:27:03 AM EDT
If someone wants to go, who are we to stop them? If they wait to the point where they can no longer do it themselves, there should be an option.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:28:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
If someone wants to end their life, they're going to do it if they are still physically capable of it. It's their life no one else's.
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Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:33:09 AM EDT
Only if we can fast track the illegal immigrants that have committed atrocious crimes into it.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:36:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BIG_PAPA:
Yes.

I am fighting Pancreatic cancer right now.

What scares me more than dying is my family having to see me die in pain and agony.

We love our pets enough to end their suffering when it is time, why don't we love our family members enough to allow the same thing?
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My thoughts are with you, BIG PAPA. My wife is fighting a stage 4 of her own and feels much the same way. Personally I want to spend even minute I can with her. She should be free to make her own decisions.

I voted should be legal in all cases.

What I actually believe is that it shouldn't be illegal. I'd like to see the govt. butting the fuck out of the people's business.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 3:03:46 AM EDT
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I'm not a praying man, but BIG_PAPA and Threedogs are in my thoughts.

I think people should have the right to decide to go on their own terms. I do not agree with those that say suicide is selfish.

To those that would say that, I ask the question. Would you be happy to subject your loved one to prolonged pain and
suffering, be it mental or physical, just so you didn't have to go to the funeral?

For the record, I have had friends and relatives that chosen to end their own lives
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 3:06:17 AM EDT
No, doctors and nurse should not be involved in taking lives or ending lives.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 3:32:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ewetstone:

Speaking as one who was going thru a terrible illness for a long time, and came within days of death, had thoughts of suicide, I am happy it wasn't legal then because I have recovered fully and very happy to be alive.
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Originally Posted By ewetstone:
Originally Posted By stanc:
Speaking as one who was so ill, for months at a time over a period of several years, that I sincerely wanted to die, I say yes. It should definitely be legal, in all cases.

Speaking as one who was going thru a terrible illness for a long time, and came within days of death, had thoughts of suicide, I am happy it wasn't legal then because I have recovered fully and very happy to be alive.

I'm glad that it worked out so well for you. For me, a full recovery was not in the cards. My case was similar to yours in that I came very close to death, which was prevented by surgery.

However, unlike you, my body was not fully restored. In addition, I am slowly, but inexorably, losing muscle strength and functioning to an incurable neurological disorder.

As a consequence, I currently reside in a nursing home, and my future looks to be one of ever-increasing dependence upon other people. Which doesn't make me the least bit happy.
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Originally Posted By stanc:

I'm glad that it worked out so well for you. For me, a full recovery was not in the cards. My case was similar to yours in that I came very close to death, which was prevented by surgery.

However, unlike you, my body was not fully restored. In addition, I am slowly, but inexorably, losing muscle strength and functioning to an incurable neurological disorder.

As a consequence, I currently reside in a nursing home, and my future looks to be one of ever-increasing dependence upon other people. Which doesn't make me the least bit happy.
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Originally Posted By stanc:
Originally Posted By ewetstone:
Originally Posted By stanc:
Speaking as one who was so ill, for months at a time over a period of several years, that I sincerely wanted to die, I say yes. It should definitely be legal, in all cases.

Speaking as one who was going thru a terrible illness for a long time, and came within days of death, had thoughts of suicide, I am happy it wasn't legal then because I have recovered fully and very happy to be alive.

I'm glad that it worked out so well for you. For me, a full recovery was not in the cards. My case was similar to yours in that I came very close to death, which was prevented by surgery.

However, unlike you, my body was not fully restored. In addition, I am slowly, but inexorably, losing muscle strength and functioning to an incurable neurological disorder.

As a consequence, I currently reside in a nursing home, and my future looks to be one of ever-increasing dependence upon other people. Which doesn't make me the least bit happy.


I feel for you...I know from days with illness that having to rely on others is the worst feeling. Whats sometimes worse is if you have to spend time in the hospital or nursing facility is having to grovel in order to get a nurse or aid to do something for you. Some of them are on a real power trip.
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
If someone wants to end their life, they're going to do it if they are still physically capable of it. It's their life no one else's.


Link Posted: 4/18/2016 3:38:17 AM EDT
Of course not! How dare people be able to make their own choices. We should force our moral judgements upon others.


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Originally Posted By lostnswv:
No, doctors and nurse should not be involved in taking lives or ending lives.
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Amen. We should force our moral judgements on as many people as possible.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 3:38:42 AM EDT
I'd rather someone do it in a hospital than jumping in front of my car.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 3:40:02 AM EDT
Legal or illegal, if someone makes that choice, there are several methods that are pretty much 100% effective. What the law says seems pretty irrelevant.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 4:12:17 AM EDT
i can't see any compelling reason why not, so that's a definite yes.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 4:12:35 AM EDT
Why not just yourself?
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Why not just yourself?
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think about what you leave behind to your survivors. imagine a terminally ill patient in hospice--how are they supposed to handle things? makes sense that a legally competent person could request assistance (for example, provision of substances and postmortem care).
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Link Posted: 4/18/2016 5:40:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sturmgeist:
Assume that the patient orders it, consents to it, and fully understands what is going on/what will happen.

Should it be legal in cases only where the patient is terminally ill? What about cases where the patient is permanently damaged (maimed, horribly disfigured, paralyzed, etc.)? Or should it be acceptable in all cases (e.g., the person has social issues or something and just wants to die)?
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Absolutely not, and its legality is prima facie evidence of the degradation of the polity and society involved. And the thing is, it does lead to more consequences, no matter what limitations you start out with, although it is exceedingly immoral, on par with murder and the like, regardless (and thus justifies similar punishment). It says a lot about a society when the dignity and worth of the individual life is no longer respected, despite claims by supporters of euthanasia that they are the ones granting dignity. The right to life is inalienable. An inalienable right means you cannot voluntarily give it up or transfer it any more than someone can justifiably take it from you. The whole euthanasia thing is pretty disgusting, just like abortion.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 5:42:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
Of course not! How dare people be able to make their own choices. We should force our moral judgements upon others.




Amen. We should force our moral judgements on as many people as possible.
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Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
Of course not! How dare people be able to make their own choices. We should force our moral judgements upon others.


Originally Posted By lostnswv:
No, doctors and nurse should not be involved in taking lives or ending lives.


Amen. We should force our moral judgements on as many people as possible.


All laws ultimately involve moral judgments. Morality is not some meaningless thing, otherwise why prohibit theft or murder? It's prohibited because it's immoral. It is absolutely wrong for those who are meant to provide care and "do no harm" to be involved in the murder of human beings. If they participate in such acts, they should be harshly punished. The way things are being done where euthanasia has been legalized without a doubt goes against the ethics of the medical profession, aside from being immoral in a broader sense.
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Absolutely not, and its legality is prima facie evidence of the degradation of the polity and society involved. And the thing is, it does lead to more consequences, no matter what limitations you start out with, although it is exceedingly immoral, on par with murder and the like, regardless (and thus justifies similar punishment). It says a lot about a society when the dignity and worth of the individual life is no longer respected, despite claims by supporters of euthanasia that they are the ones granting dignity. The right to life is inalienable. An inalienable right means you cannot voluntarily give it up or transfer it any more than someone can justifiably take it from you. The whole euthanasia thing is pretty disgusting, just like abortion.
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Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By Sturmgeist:
Assume that the patient orders it, consents to it, and fully understands what is going on/what will happen.

Should it be legal in cases only where the patient is terminally ill? What about cases where the patient is permanently damaged (maimed, horribly disfigured, paralyzed, etc.)? Or should it be acceptable in all cases (e.g., the person has social issues or something and just wants to die)?


Absolutely not, and its legality is prima facie evidence of the degradation of the polity and society involved. And the thing is, it does lead to more consequences, no matter what limitations you start out with, although it is exceedingly immoral, on par with murder and the like, regardless (and thus justifies similar punishment). It says a lot about a society when the dignity and worth of the individual life is no longer respected, despite claims by supporters of euthanasia that they are the ones granting dignity. The right to life is inalienable. An inalienable right means you cannot voluntarily give it up or transfer it any more than someone can justifiably take it from you. The whole euthanasia thing is pretty disgusting, just like abortion.



Get back to me once you've watched someone you love dying slowly from cancer spend their last few months in the hospital.

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Originally Posted By TT4life:
Originally Posted By ATC:
Damn Arfcom....you confusing

I read threads on here where you call suicides, selfish cowardly pussies, and every other name in the book....but ITT we support suicide?

I'm confused...


Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you should deprive someone the right to do it.


There is no right to suicide, or to kill people who want to die (or who people say want to die; things are really getting pretty bad where euthanasia has been legalized; they're getting into euthanizing mentally ill children now).
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 5:45:01 AM EDT
Yes.
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