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Posted: 1/23/2014 7:16:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2014 7:50:22 AM EDT by goldtop]
Do they have the same basic right to self defense as citizens?

Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:19:22 AM EDT
Yes
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:20:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2014 7:20:16 AM EDT by Spade]
Yes.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:20:48 AM EDT
Yep.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:21:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2014 7:21:25 AM EDT by Jinxsters]
They carry them anyways regardless if it's illegal or not. When did illegals care about laws?
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:21:21 AM EDT
Nope
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:21:27 AM EDT
Illegal is not the preferred nomenclature, dude.


Criminal tresspassers if you would......


Self defense is an inalienable right AFAIK.

Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:21:31 AM EDT
They have the right to defend themselves. Now get the fuck out and defend yourselves wherever you came from. You can buy a gun after you figure out how to comply with the rest of our laws.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:21:37 AM EDT
NO......their ILLEGAL for Christ's sake......might as well let them vote while your at it.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:22:02 AM EDT
Poll?

Nope.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:22:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sigp226:
They have the right to defend themselves. Now get the fuck out and defend yourselves wherever you came from. You can buy a gun after you figure out how to comply with the rest of our laws.
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Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:22:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DonFlynn:
NO......their ILLEGAL for Christ's sake......might as well let them vote while your at it.
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Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:22:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:23:00 AM EDT
They are criminals.
Do you want criminals carrying guns.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:23:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DonFlynn:
NO......their ILLEGAL for Christ's sake......might as well let them vote while your at it.
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This

For fucks sake, the are here illegally, rights are for US citizens and law abiding citizens.

Want a gun, become a citizen the legal way.

get on the bus and gtfo
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:23:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By goldtop:
Do they have the same basic right to self defense as citizens?

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No they are not Americans.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:23:18 AM EDT
No.

They have already broken federal law by illegally migrating.

Now, an immigrant who goes through the proper channels?
Sure.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:23:32 AM EDT
fuck no


They have the right to GTFO, but that is about it
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:23:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dex357:




This

For fucks sake, the are here illegally, rights are for US citizens and law abiding citizens.

Want a gun, become a citizen the legal way.

get on the bus and gtfo
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Originally Posted By dex357:
Originally Posted By DonFlynn:
NO......their ILLEGAL for Christ's sake......might as well let them vote while your at it.




This

For fucks sake, the are here illegally, rights are for US citizens and law abiding citizens.

Want a gun, become a citizen the legal way.

get on the bus and gtfo


Thank God for sanity  from someone.
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Originally Posted By moonclipper:


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So I guess the settlers were outlaws then?



 
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:24:51 AM EDT
Sure why not.....As long as they live in their country.  Otherwise law breakers are just unlawful and in some cases criminals
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:25:40 AM EDT
I DON'T understand how this is even a legitimate question?
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:25:57 AM EDT
Yes...in their own country.


Private firearms ownership should be a requirement to receive foreign aid.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:26:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By slanted:
fuck no


They have the right to GTFO, but that is about it
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These are my thoughts
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:26:16 AM EDT


Illegals are nonpersons and should be treated as such.

Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:27:01 AM EDT
Criminals already have guns.


Didn't we figure this out in the 80s?
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:27:22 AM EDT
No!

What kind of stupid ass question is that?

Our constitution and the bill of rights applies to American citizens.

ILLEGALS do not qualify and need to GTFO
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:27:27 AM EDT
They also shouldn't be granted in state tuition or a fucking EBT card.  

GTFO
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:27:35 AM EDT
If you say "no," then you negate the entire premise of weapons for self defense being a pre-existing human right, as was upheld by the supreme court. You are then a part of the problem.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:27:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
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Voting and citizenship are not natural rights, life is, and by extension to means to protect it.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:28:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By slanted:
fuck no


They have the right to GTFO, but that is about it
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Sums it up nicely. While I believe people have the right to defends themselves, one has to draw a line in the sand on what is acceptable and not. I don't want al qeada to have guns either nor am I a statist. But there is right and there is wrong. Illegal immigration falls into my wrong category.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:28:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By c7aea15:
What kind of stupid ass question is that?
Our constitution and the bill of rights applies to American citizens.
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The ignorance of the law expressed in your assertion is staggering and pathetic.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:29:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:


So I guess the settlers were outlaws then?
 
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By moonclipper:
Nope


So I guess the settlers were outlaws then?
 





No, illegals shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:30:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dex357:




This

For fucks sake, the are here illegally, rights are for US citizens and law abiding citizens.

Want a gun, become a citizen the legal way.

get on the bus and gtfo
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Originally Posted By dex357:
Originally Posted By DonFlynn:
NO......their ILLEGAL for Christ's sake......might as well let them vote while your at it.




This

For fucks sake, the are here illegally, rights are for US citizens and law abiding citizens.

Want a gun, become a citizen the legal way.

get on the bus and gtfo

Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:30:21 AM EDT
yes





Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:31:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:31:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2014 7:34:28 AM EDT by irishtech]
NO, they are already breaking the law,   they can use a knife or a blunt object like New Yorkers.

eta: typo
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:31:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By amaixner:
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No, they are criminals.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:32:19 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By thormx538:




No, illegals shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
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Originally Posted By thormx538:



Originally Posted By bcauz3y:


Originally Posted By moonclipper:

Nope




So I guess the settlers were outlaws then?

 










No, illegals shouldn't be allowed to have guns.


Or hammers?



What about nails?



 
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:33:17 AM EDT
Are you asking about "illegals" (foreigners not here "legally") or non-citizens who are visiting or residing here but who came here through "legal" channels?
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:33:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:

Or hammers?

What about nails?
 
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By thormx538:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By moonclipper:
Nope


So I guess the settlers were outlaws then?
 





No, illegals shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

Or hammers?

What about nails?
 


Nope, and nope.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:34:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
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Then you should start a foundation.

Guns for Illegals. You can hand out weapons to illegal immigrants after crossing the border.

Let us know how that works out for you.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:34:41 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By thormx538:
Nope, and nope.

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Originally Posted By thormx538:



Originally Posted By bcauz3y:


Originally Posted By thormx538:


Originally Posted By bcauz3y:


Originally Posted By moonclipper:

Nope




So I guess the settlers were outlaws then?

 










No, illegals shouldn't be allowed to have guns.


Or hammers?



What about nails?

 




Nope, and nope.



Well, you're consistent!
 
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:35:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:


The right to own firearms is guaranteed to citizens.

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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By Alakazam:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
If you are going to give them firearms might as well throw in the right to vote and citizenship.


Voting and citizenship are not natural rights, life is, and by extension to means to protect it.


The right to own firearms is guaranteed to citizens.


The Constitution does not grant us any rights; it simply enumerates some critical ones and forbids the government from infringing on them.  The rights are natural rights that come from God and are thus human rights.  How can a natural right granted by God only apply to a person born in this country?
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:35:15 AM EDT
They should be allowed to own whatever they want... in their own fucking country.  

An armed foreign national not authorized to be in the country is, IMHO, an invasion element, and should be dealt with accordingly.
As most of them won't be in any recognized military uniform, summary execution is legal under the laws of armed conflict.

That goes for anyone in the country illegally committing any sort of violent or larcenous act, actually, whether armed or not.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:35:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:

Well, you're consistent!


 
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They're here illegally. The point I'm getting at is that they should get the fuck out and come here through a legal channel.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:35:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:


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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By Alakazam:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
If you are going to give them firearms might as well throw in the right to vote and citizenship.


Voting and citizenship are not natural rights, life is, and by extension to means to protect it.


The right to own firearms is guaranteed to citizens.



What other tools should they not be allowed to own?
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:36:10 AM EDT
fuck no, they shouldnt be here in the first place.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:36:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By thormx538:


Nope, and nope.
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By thormx538:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By moonclipper:
Nope


So I guess the settlers were outlaws then?
 





No, illegals shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

Or hammers?

What about nails?
 


Nope, and nope.



No kidding . . .

Does a burglar have a right to eat your food if he breaks into your house?
What if he really has to pee, can he use the bathroom?
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 7:36:46 AM EDT
No they should be deported back to where they belong and then that country can decide if they can own guns or not.
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