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Posted: 10/17/2004 7:38:18 AM EDT

Is this one any good? Could I see my "holes" at 200 or 300 yards with it?

Link Posted: 10/17/2004 9:10:45 AM EDT
22cal holes at 300yds on a black target is going to be tough with any scope.

I don't have any knowledge of that spotting scope but 6-100X scope, I'd bet money on it being unusable past 50X.

For the same amount of money you can get a Windriver Sequoia 15-45x60 or for $80 more a Nikon 15-45x60.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 9:21:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 10:13:58 AM EDT
I would bet that scope SUCKS! 6X to 100X zoom has to suck. 100X, crystal clear - BALONEY !

Go with a reputable manufacurer: Leupold, Nikon, Kowa.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 10:50:30 AM EDT
Get a Leupold Spotting scope, save yourself the headaches.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 11:12:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/17/2004 11:12:46 AM EDT by AdamTheFarmer]
The rule of thumb on optics is if the local rednecks cannot pronouce the name right then it's usually a good choice. For example I've heard Laapold, Neekan, sarvokiah.gif
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 11:17:16 AM EDT
Swarovski ST-80,or Leuopold
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 11:58:04 AM EDT
after sightseeing at camp perry during the rifle matches one year the predominate optics manufactures represented on the line were

1. kowa
2. Swarovski
3. a good smathering of everything else.

I suspect you should be able to see 22 caliber holes WAYYY out there but the image quality might be kinda disapointing for ya.

My advise is save your pennies up and grab one from one of the major players. you really wont regret it. A good quality piece of glass will last several lifetimes.

Ive had nothing but good things to say about my 82mm kowa tsn-821. My only regret is that i didnt pony up the extra cash for the Swarovski.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 12:01:36 PM EDT
I've got a old Redfield thats at least 20 years old. Are they still in business?
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 12:11:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 12:13:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 12:14:59 PM EDT
I had a Kowa spotting scope for my smallbore shooting, and it was freakin' AWESOME. Very clear and crisp.

Link Posted: 10/17/2004 12:20:43 PM EDT
S W A R O V S K I or Leica. one of them is sporting an 85mm objective now. That's what I'd get.

if I had any money.

any my wife would let me.....

Link Posted: 10/17/2004 12:36:05 PM EDT
I just got the Leica Televid-APO 77mm scope with the 20-60 eyepiece. I can see 22 cal holes at 300ys with this puppy. Of course the cost was about 6x that of the Yukon. My guess is you would not be happy with this scope. Cheqp optics are just that, cheap. They are usually substandard in construction and preformance. YMMV, but I would save my pennies if I were you and buy something you won't be wanting to replace in a few months time. Remember that magnification is just part of the formula, and there are lots of really important stuff to consider when you are trying to get good resolution at several hundred yards.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 5:04:05 PM EDT
If you are carrying the scope into the field along with a rifle, I definitely do not recommend an 80mm scope, unless you have a gun bearer to tote it around - you'll soon come to hate it. A high quality 50mm or 60mm is sufficient for 99% of everyone's needs. Magnification above about 20 in a 60mm will suffer from mirage.

Find a Bushnell Spacemaster, or check out the 50mm entry level scopes at Champion's Choice, Champion Shooters, or Creedmore Sports. Jim Owen at www.jarheadtop.com has the best prices for Kowa scopes - watch out for gray market scopes from the NY City camera and optics selllers.

Don't buy ultra cheap optics.

.22 holes in black are difficult to see at 200 yards nearly all of the time, the exception when the light is (rarely) just right, even with an 80mm scope. Some shooters put a white reflector (such as a sheet) on the ground in front of the target for illumination. Some have tried reflectors in back of the target on the theory that it will reflect light through the bullet holes.

On the other hand, .22 holes are easy to see at 300 yards and further in a white background - if you are sighting a rifle from the bench only a small aiming point is required, leaving lots of white real estate surrounding. I made up a few target designs with a 1 inch, blue or green square in with a 1 inch grid of lines subdivided into 1/2 inches for load workup at 200 and 300 yards. Without a large black bullseye, I can see the bullet holes and the (thinner) grids at 300 yards.
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