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Posted: 10/12/2005 1:36:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 1:45:46 AM EDT by FooDog]
I've found a MAC 11 for $2500 ... F/A of course.

Is this a deal?

Are MAC 11's reliable?

img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/Breycor/cobray_m11_used.jpg
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:42:51 AM EDT
I have a semi M-11/9 and it's fun to shoot.  Not nearly as fun as an actual FA one of course.  It's had 1 FTF in about 500 rounds or so I've fired.  For a pretty heavy pistol, there is a decent amount of muzzle flip though, I can only imagine how much flip there'd be in auto.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:48:50 AM EDT
Do you know if a used (in good condition) M-11/9 for $2500 is a good deal?
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:55:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FooDog:
Do you know if a used (in good condition) M-11/9 for $2500 is a good deal?


Somebody'll be along to answer that shortly I'm sure.  I'm unfortunately in CA where FA is illegal and even my semi M-11 is banned so I'm totally clueless on prices.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:57:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SC_00_05:

Originally Posted By FooDog:
Do you know if a used (in good condition) M-11/9 for $2500 is a good deal?


Somebody'll be along to answer that shortly I'm sure.  I'm unfortunately in CA where FA is illegal and even my semi M-11 is banned so I'm totally clueless on prices.



OK, thanks man....
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 2:15:50 AM EDT
I dont know shit about FA prices, I live in a non Class III state.


Here is one NFA board. Price looks right compared to on there.


And my semi Mac 11/9, when being bumped, is very controllable with the fake can. Very high RPM, very aimable and a blast to shoot. Dumps a 32 rd mag in maybe 5 seconds tops, all very well aimed.



Link Posted: 10/12/2005 2:46:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 2:47:27 AM EDT by Jeep29]
That is a fair price for a used MAC11.

Reliability of MACs depend on the mags. Zytel (plastic) mags wear out fairly quickly but replacements are only $20. You can add metal feedlips to help or have it converted to take Uzi or STEN mags.

There are tons of upgrades for the MAC11 so there are lots of options you don't have with other subguns.

Its a little bullethose squirting out around 1100 rounds a minute. A full mag goes for about 2 seconds of trigger time. Expect you ammo budget to go way up.

Get it!
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 3:27:44 AM EDT
$2,500 is a good deal.  There is a ton of stuff you can do to a M11 to make it a fun little subgun.  And of course, they aren't going to get any cheaper.  Especially with the RPD and Slowfire uppers coming.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 3:57:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 3:57:57 AM EDT by hardcorps1775]
not a bad deal. mac's are reliable and a hoot to shoot but aren't very accurate. of course, gordon ingram never meant it to be. he said his mac-10 was meant to be used "in a room full of very surprised colonels"!

doesn't look like a whole lotta wear on that puppy...hush puppy, that is!
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 3:57:52 AM EDT
I bought mine for around $2200 a little over  a year ago.  Its a great little gun but very finicky on FA.  You really have to lube the shit out of it to get it to run consistantly on full auto.  I've never had a failure of any kind on semi. When you get it going its a real son-of-a-bitch.  Sounds like a humm instead of a rata-tat-tat.  There will be guys at the range with M16s, MP5s, AM180s and all kinds of high dollar stuff but when you dump a 32 round mag in 2.9 seconds everyone comes to see your little screamer.  

Its a lot of fun but dont expect to just throw a mag in and blast for 2 hours like you see in the movies.  Like everything, you have to find what makes it work right and then use that.  Oh man is it a blast though.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 3:58:52 AM EDT
You can never pay too much for F/A firearms,  you can only buy them too soon.

Full autos are constantly going up in value.  I paid a little over $1000 for my
SWD M-11/9 in early 2003.  It is worth more than that now.\

Check out subguns.com and there NFA For Sale section to see current asking prices.
YOu will also see alot of SOLD PENDING FUNDS.

In another 3-4 years M-11's will be selling for $5000...

Check out the latest Small Arms Review to see who is winning the most in subgun shoots.

The price also depends on how many accessories the firearm comes with and make sure
you KNOW for a fact what the firearm comes with.

When I bought mine it was pictured with a side-cocking upper w/rail and the original
upper.  It only shipped with the side-cocking upper.  When questioned he said the picture
was old and he didnt have the original upper anymore.  

He had deleted the ad so there was no way I could prove anything.  MAKE SURE YOU
KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR !

LB
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:02:29 AM EDT
There was a guy around here that was into FA MAC's. What's his name? Something like MACUZI or Heinline? Maybe he will pick-up this thread and post his experience. I still have my MAC 11/9 in parts kit only form. I understand these are legal in CA. So, I need to research this and confirm it and maybe set some time and money aside to build this into a semi-auto.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:05:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By USMC_LB:
You can never pay too much for F/A firearms,  you can only buy them too soon.

Full autos are constantly going up in value.  I paid a little over $1000 for my
SWD M-11/9 in early 2003.  It is worth more than that now.\

Check out subguns.com and there NFA For Sale section to see current asking prices.
YOu will also see alot of SOLD PENDING FUNDS.

In another 3-4 years M-11's will be selling for $5000...

LB



True, but unfortunate. The price circumstances are just like the diamond market in that prices are artificially high. We need to work to get the bottom to fall out on the FA market by repealing the amendment to the '86 act. (sorry, it is too early in the morning over here on the wack coast, oops, I mean west coast, to remember the full name of the act).
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:07:24 AM EDT
Thanks guys.

What options are available for an M11?
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:12:35 AM EDT



there is a company called Stony Creek Armory out of CT [i believe] that makes all kinds of stuff for MACs. different uppers, uppers w/HK sights, AR15 stock adapters, drum mags, etc.


Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:28:24 AM EDT
bump
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:40:59 AM EDT
I was going to point you towards Cavvet.  He can bump an entire MAC11 mag like a fiend and still has 2200 bucks left over.

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:45:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FooDog:
Thanks guys.

What options are available for an M11?


www.stonycreekarmory.com/
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 10:01:22 AM EDT
My son has one.  He made a couple of mods and added a supressor.  Damn thing hoses out 1,800 rpm now...and it is very quiet.

I doubted the accuracy of the little monster...but in truth, its a pretty good weapon for CQB...EXCEPT I'd reduce the rate of fire.  It eats ammo at a frightening rate!  About one second to empty a 30 round mag.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:07:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FooDog:
Thanks guys.

What options are available for an M11?


mine:


-Task Slowfire Conversion (utilizes M4 buffer system) ROF is around 900-1000 rpm, can be slowed further with heavier buffers
-Sten mag conversion
-9" barrel with K-grip
-cheapo BSA
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:08:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:

Originally Posted By FooDog:
Thanks guys.

What options are available for an M11?


www.stonycreekarmory.com/



www.max-11.com/productsnew.html
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:20:40 PM EDT
naa.  get a glock 17 or 18 whichever is the auto  
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:24:46 PM EDT
I like the look of the MAC-10 more, but that's just personal opinion having nothing to do with the performance of either weapon.

I intend to pick up a semi-auto M-10 this summer.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:32:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 1:33:30 PM EDT by Ponyboy]
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 1:53:11 PM EDT
Ask the CavVet.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 3:10:25 PM EDT
I had no idea that so much "crap" was available for the MAC.

I'm gettin' a woody just thinking about all the money I'll soon be burning.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 3:44:00 PM EDT
A website with troubleshooting info
mg0815.com/

MAC forums
mac10talk.com/
macguns.com Looks like they lost their domain name

parts and accessories
Stonycreek has lots of cool accessories and good service. I have one of their kgrips (a must if you don't have a supressor)
rpbusa.com
Lage Manufacturing
West Georgia Armory Want better reliability? switch a M10 style bolt into your M11

If the gun is new/almost new then you will want to make sure that the buffer hasn't rotted before you shoot it. Many of the reliability issues with Macs are because they have been sitting around for almost 20 years and because some of the parts are of poor quality (soft metal) because of the mad dash to put these together before the '86 ban. These issues are easily resolved because high quality parts are available now.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 3:57:09 PM EDT
Lube lube lube lube lube.  Get a bunch.  You'll have to experiment.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:26:21 PM EDT
Damn, and I though $465.95 was too much for my Mac 11 SMG when I bought it back in 1996.

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:48:01 PM EDT
I bought my MAC 11/9 NIB for $1,000 excluding taxes and fees.

There are only two things I don’t like about it:
1 It doesn’t like flat point (hollow point) ammo.
2 Cleaning it.

I love my little buzzsaw!
I really don’t care that I can go through $100 (a case) worth of ammo in under an hour.
I really don’t care that its accuracy on Full Auto isn’t good.

My Mac was my first Class III weapon.  And it did an excellent job on educating me to the ins and outs of Full Auto Shooting.

MAG DUMP!
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 4:49:15 PM EDT
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