Down the thread a bit is the original thread all cut and paste like courtesy of flyfishnpa

So anyway back in May I was torn on whether to coach football or not after getting the ol shafter for the HC job, losing out to a good ol boy who can't coach worth a shit.  Poll went for "not to coach", not that it had any bearing on my decision but indeed I decided not to.  Fuck that, I looked at it as the admin basically said "we think so little of you, we'll hire the ex coach who ran the program into the ground"  

The OP:


So last night the season concluded, the boys limped on home with an 0-10 finish, avg score per game was 44-4.  Lost to our rival by 4td's, a year after beating them by 4td's.  Went up and watched a few games, kids at times did not even know how to line up correctly.  Just an absolute shitshow.  Players, coaches, even teachers all walked away once he was hired.  Spoke with AD the other day and let him know how I felt.  Feel like I made the right decision.

After all that though, it kills me not to be out there coaching.

What say You GD?

Archived basically means dead.  No more posts are allowed to be made or edited. Even if someone pulls it up for you, you won't be able to access it cause you are not a Team Member.

I see.  Shit.  So there's no way for me to just read it?

The first post is visible to free loaders like you and I. If you can find it, you could always copy the text and start a new one.





 

Not without $24

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1043803

The OP:

Damnit, that's a pricey thread.  Really want to read some of those replies though.

I just read the whole thread again, it was really good.

A haha you fucker

Yeah I just read it too very good thread.

cut and paste, cut and paste anyone?

Should I coach or no?
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 12:24:27 PM EDT
So long story short, it was down to me and another guy for the Head football job, the other guy got it. I am fairly pissed because he had it once before and sucked. Team lost, never made playoffs, but worst of all he was disliked by players and parents, even had a mutiny his last season where half the team quit. But of course small town politics and all, he gets it again. I have two camps of people around me, one saying no chance I should coach, one saying I should. I really don't like what happened since it was an inside job and I didn't lose out to the better candidate, but I do love football and coaching kids.

Should I get over my pride and go out and help kids become better football players, or do I stick to my principles and not let this administration treat me however they want to, especially in future situations?
Spikes08  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 12:25:55 PM EDT
It's for the kids
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 12:26:40 PM EDT
Quoted:
It's for the kids


Trying to convince myself of that
DzlBenz  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 12:27:20 PM EDT
If you have the temperament to deal with spoiled little boys who throw a fit when they don't get what they want, do it. You will also have to deal with the players.
echo6  [Life Member]
5/22/2010 12:27:27 PM EDT
Put your pride aside and do what is right for the kids.
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 12:28:46 PM EDT
Quoted:
If you have the temperament to deal with spoiled little boys who throw a fit when they don't get what they want, do it. You will also have to deal with the players.


I was the Head JV coach last year, the boys and I got along fine, most of them expressed that they hoped I got the job.
slodsm  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 12:28:51 PM EDT
Stick to your principles. If you go help, he gets the credit and the job, the administration gets the best of both worlds and you get the shaft.

As far as the kids, it's a good early life lesson that there is a right and wrong person for the job and buddy buddy shit shouldn't come into play. In a few decades when they are in charge of something maybe they'll remember their shitty football season because of a hook up for a douche!
DzlBenz  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 12:30:17 PM EDT

Quoted:
Quoted:
If you have the temperament to deal with spoiled little boys who throw a fit when they don't get what they want, do it. You will also have to deal with the players.


I was the Head JV coach last year, the boys and I got along fine, most of them expressed that they hoped I got the job.

I wasn't referring to the players...
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 12:30:24 PM EDT
Quoted:
Put your pride aside and do what is right for the kids.


I know. It's hard though man because my pride is telling me "well that's sure not what the administration did". They wronged the kids. I don't know if I want to be a part of that.

rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 12:33:02 PM EDT
Quoted:
Stick to your principles. If you go help, he gets the credit and the job, the administration gets the best of both worlds and you get the shaft.


Exactly what my best friend says. He can't believe that I am even contemplating the idea.
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 12:36:19 PM EDT
Poll added.
RikWriter  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 12:40:09 PM EDT
I wouldn't do it. The kids will pick up on the division between you two and it will cause dissension.
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 12:41:53 PM EDT
Quoted:
I wouldn't do it. The kids will pick up on the division between you two and it will cause dissension.


What I am really thinking. I mean how can I support this guy? I am professional but kids can tell when adults do not agree. I can't see it benefitting the kids.
Dfens  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 12:42:49 PM EDT
Speaking as a 17 year HS football coach (6 as head coach), find another coaching job. For all of the above listed reasons.
4v50  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 12:43:15 PM EDT
Quoted:
Put your pride aside and do what is right for the kids.


What echo6 says. You're giving from your heart to the kids. Never mind your pride. Don't deny the kids your service because your ego is hurt. Some kids will realize your suffering and in adulthood, hold themselves up to the example you've set for them. That is your reward.
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 12:51:43 PM EDT
Quoted:
Quoted:
Put your pride aside and do what is right for the kids.


Don't deny the kids your service because your ego is hurt.


See though I don't think it's ego. If the job had gone to a guy who was clearly more experienced and qualified with a proven track record I'd have no problems whatsoever being an asst. I'd be glad to learn more things from him. It's the way this guy got the job that is troubling, i'm not butt hurt, I'm more like "WTF is that shit, why would you do that to the kids" and pissed that he got it b/c he's tight with the principal. Shit is gay.
PARover  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 1:05:42 PM EDT
As a Baseball Coach, and former Local Little League Board member I applaud your concern for the Kids and your desire to coach. Dedicated quality coaches are hard to come by...

I have seen this before and one of my best friends is going through this.

You need to support the kids, but I wouldn't spend the time on the field helping those who did not want your help. I am sure there are other leagues around that would Love to have your help.
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 1:22:32 PM EDT
Quoted:
As a Baseball Coach, and former Local Little League Board member I applaud your concern for the Kids and your desire to coach.


Believe me, it kills me when I see the boys at Wal Mart or at the High School, (I teach elementary school) and they are like, "sup coach, you coaching this year??" I do not want to disappoint these kids, but I don't want to support bullshit politics. I'm torn.

gman552  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 1:42:16 PM EDT
Quoted:
Speaking as a 17 year HS football coach (6 as head coach), find another coaching job. For all of the above listed reasons.


Agreed. Time to move on.

Any chance you could get on with another team (preferably your school's arch-rival)?

blackdogremi  [Member]
5/22/2010 1:50:53 PM EDT
you got voted out, get over it.
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 1:58:21 PM EDT
Quoted:
Quoted:
Speaking as a 17 year HS football coach (6 as head coach), find another coaching job. For all of the above listed reasons.


Agreed. Time to move on.

Any chance you could get on with another team (preferably your school's arch-rival)?



Not looking to move. I'm the HC of the track program, which is starting to take off so I want to continue with that. Plus our closest rival sucks balls.
gman552  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 5:24:14 PM EDT
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Speaking as a 17 year HS football coach (6 as head coach), find another coaching job. For all of the above listed reasons.


Agreed. Time to move on.

Any chance you could get on with another team (preferably your school's arch-rival)?



Not looking to move. I'm the HC of the track program, which is starting to take off so I want to continue with that. Plus our closest rival sucks balls.


Well, it seems to me you have an opportunity to make your school's track program a contender.

Leave the football coaching to the new football coach - no need to make your life more miserable with the suspicions and petty jealousies that would result from you staying on as an assistant.

It would not be fair to the team for you to be constantly thinking what an idiot the new head coach is - that would be corrosive to the team's morale, because the kids will be able to tell, no matter how you try to keep it under wraps.

In any case, would the head coach trust you anyway? You said you're in a small town - the probability that he already knows you think he's incompetent approaches 100%

[Edit] Another consideration - if the new head coach is as bad as you say he is, there is the distinct possibility that you will either be associated with his failure (no matter how well you perform yourself), or, even worse, receive all the blame for it and get fired by the administration while he keeps his job (he's politically connected, correct?)
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 8:03:50 PM EDT
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Speaking as a 17 year HS football coach (6 as head coach), find another coaching job. For all of the above listed reasons.


Agreed. Time to move on.

Any chance you could get on with another team (preferably your school's arch-rival)?



Not looking to move. I'm the HC of the track program, which is starting to take off so I want to continue with that. Plus our closest rival sucks balls.


Well, it seems to me you have an opportunity to make your school's track program a contender.

Leave the football coaching to the new football coach - no need to make your life more miserable with the suspicions and petty jealousies that would result from you staying on as an assistant.

It would not be fair to the team for you to be constantly thinking what an idiot the new head coach is - that would be corrosive to the team's morale, because the kids will be able to tell, no matter how you try to keep it under wraps.

In any case, would the head coach trust you anyway? You said you're in a small town - the probability that he already knows you think he's incompetent approaches 100%

[Edit] Another consideration - if the new head coach is as bad as you say he is, there is the distinct possibility that you will either be associated with his failure (no matter how well you perform yourself), or, even worse, receive all the blame for it and get fired by the administration while he keeps his job (he's politically connected, correct?)


No the HC would not trust me, and I'm sure he doesn't want me around because, well, I wouldn't want him around. Yes, he is connected with the admin, promised the AD the def coordinator position, to get his vote I'm sure. Then AD and principal were all "you are the future blah blah blah, we want to change the culture now" bullshit. I didn't say it but I was thinking, this guy is the reason the culture is the way it is now (kids across the board are largely undisciplined, disrespectful, and losers). Should have said it but would only hurt my standing.

cedjunior  [Member]
5/22/2010 8:05:54 PM EDT
I would let them crash and burn.
Regency  [Member]
5/22/2010 8:11:18 PM EDT
I coached football and track, all for no pay. Heck, me and some of my friends pay for the trips, funds, and some of the gear.

If you:

Don't have the time to do it or feel like you are rushed all the time
Don't absolutely love it
Don't think anyone likes you
Are not well experienced
Can't commit longterm

Then, you don't need to do it. I did it out of pure passion and I was in a position that I was easily able to do it. I later gave it up because it got too time consuming for me. Now I just make donations and set up fundraisers, go to budget meetings with the school board, ect.
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 8:16:32 PM EDT
Quoted:
I coached football and track, all for no pay. Heck, me and some of my friends pay for the trips, funds, and some of the gear.

If you:

Don't have the time to do it or feel like you are rushed all the time
Don't absolutely love it
Don't think anyone likes you
Are not well experienced
Can't commit longterm

Then, you don't need to do it. I did it out of pure passion and I was in a position that I was easily able to do it. I later gave it up because it got too time consuming for me. Now I just make donations and set up fundraisers, go to budget meetings with the school board, ect.


No, it is pretty much my dream job, and the biggest reason I am in the education field honestly. And here they (admin) pull the retread and give it to this fuck who had his chance and blew it so now I'm trying to decide if I want to have any part of it as an assistant which the AD and principal have just short of begged me to do.

Regency  [Member]
5/22/2010 8:20:10 PM EDT
Quoted:
Quoted:
I coached football and track, all for no pay. Heck, me and some of my friends pay for the trips, funds, and some of the gear.

If you:

Don't have the time to do it or feel like you are rushed all the time
Don't absolutely love it
Don't think anyone likes you
Are not well experienced
Can't commit longterm

Then, you don't need to do it. I did it out of pure passion and I was in a position that I was easily able to do it. I later gave it up because it got too time consuming for me. Now I just make donations and set up fundraisers, go to budget meetings with the school board, ect.


No, it is pretty much my dream job, and the biggest reason I am in the education field honestly. And here they (admin) pull the retread and give it to this fuck who had his chance and blew it so now I'm trying to decide if I want to have any part of it as an assistant which the AD and principal have just short of begged me to do.



Maybe look into another school?
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 8:22:40 PM EDT
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I coached football and track, all for no pay. Heck, me and some of my friends pay for the trips, funds, and some of the gear.

If you:

Don't have the time to do it or feel like you are rushed all the time
Don't absolutely love it
Don't think anyone likes you
Are not well experienced
Can't commit longterm

Then, you don't need to do it. I did it out of pure passion and I was in a position that I was easily able to do it. I later gave it up because it got too time consuming for me. Now I just make donations and set up fundraisers, go to budget meetings with the school board, ect.


No, it is pretty much my dream job, and the biggest reason I am in the education field honestly. And here they (admin) pull the retread and give it to this fuck who had his chance and blew it so now I'm trying to decide if I want to have any part of it as an assistant which the AD and principal have just short of begged me to do.



Maybe look into another school?


Well, we are hoping to stay here for awhile, maybe even until retirement, and I have the Track program on the rise here, don't want to let that go.
FatCat1  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 8:23:39 PM EDT
Wait they play football in AZ.



rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 8:24:50 PM EDT
Quoted:
Wait they play football in AZ.





Please, don't get me started. I am from Western PA originally, this is like T ball out here
wolfstar  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 8:25:51 PM EDT
Volleyball coach?





Yes!
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 8:35:35 PM EDT
I wouldn't mind coaching that team under any circumstance
rafey  [Member]
5/22/2010 11:47:27 PM EDT
bump for night crowd opinion
Rem700PSS  [Team Member]
5/22/2010 11:50:02 PM EDT

Quoted:
Put your pride aside and do what is right for the kids.

This.

Watch the movie Little Giants for a walkthrough of how to handle this situation.
rafey  [Member]
5/23/2010 12:03:04 AM EDT
Quoted:

Quoted:
Put your pride aside and do what is right for the kids.

This.

Watch the movie Little Giants for a walkthrough of how to handle this situation.


Don't see the analogy.
rafey  [Member]
5/23/2010 2:37:59 AM EDT
Bump for the drunk and west coast crews
PARover  [Team Member]
5/23/2010 8:59:55 PM EDT

Quoted:

No the HC would not trust me, and I'm sure he doesn't want me around because, well, I wouldn't want him around. Yes, he is connected with the admin, promised the AD the def coordinator position, to get his vote I'm sure. Then AD and principal were all "you are the future blah blah blah, we want to change the culture now" bullshit. I didn't say it but I was thinking, this guy is the reason the culture is the way it is now (kids across the board are largely undisciplined, disrespectful, and losers). Should have said it but would only hurt my standing.


By what you have typed here, you answered your own question.

Focus on the track right now, and give those kids all you can.

The only other thing I could suggest is that you offer the FB coach to work with some of the younger kids with their sprints & running ON YOUR TRACK. If he turns you down, it shows his ignorance. Try and work with some of the boys anyways through the track program then.

oulufinn  [Member]
5/23/2010 9:17:17 PM EDT
Let him fail on his own, again. Be ready to step in if he gets fired, or quits.

Yesss thank you!  Let me try to edit my title and give an update

bump the thread update

It's funny, I said this in May and they ended up beating us badly.  That team is also in a lower division, and there is no way they improved that much (we beat them 40-8 the previous year) in one year.

What say you GD?  Seem like I made the right decision or nay?

Should've expressed to the AD that you are still interested in becoming a HC if the position becomes open again.  With a lousy season like that, it could be open again.

Oh he knows I am, it went without saying.