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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:46:25 AM EDT
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Not sure what the question is.........
 Either way I read, enjoy and believe the box o' truth and I prefer the shotgun.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:48:04 AM EDT
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I like pi. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:50:50 AM EDT
[#3]
City house I use a shotgun
Country house I use a rifle |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:52:11 AM EDT
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Not sure what you're asking but yes, I've read The Box O' Truth.
Also, I would suggest a carbine over a shotgun for home defense. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:52:24 AM EDT
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Not sure what the question is......... Either way I read, enjoy and believe the box o' truth and I prefer the shotgun.There are rational reasons to pick a shotgun or other weapon(s) for HD. Do what you want, you’re a grownup and this is still (kinda) a free country. I’m talking about the mind numbingly hopeless fuckwads that insist on birdshot, racking actions, etc. In short, they are making life and death decisions based on Hollywood fakery and weirdo mall ninja fantasy. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:53:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:55:35 AM EDT
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930 is headed to Mossberg for some warranty work so I'm using my AR now.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:56:28 AM EDT
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Carbine if you can afford one, shotgun if you cant.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 11:56:48 AM EDT
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I think the ultimate home defense set up does not even envolve firearms. Ideally, I would have a rack of liquid nitrogen dewers in an underground enclosure in my back yard. I would also run tubing into every room and hallway except for the main quarters. In the event if a hone invasion I would turn a valve filling the house with fog/liquid nitrogen. After the tanks emptied I would shoot the frozen ne'er-do-wells with a bb gun, shattering them just like in terminator.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:00:59 PM EDT
[#10]
ok
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:01:25 PM EDT
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The box o truth you mention dosen't accurately depict what a short barrel shotgun will do. The pattern diameter will be much wider.
My 8in SBS will throw a pattern as wide as an E type silouhette at about 25 feet. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:03:21 PM EDT
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Shotgun for me...why?.......it's the one I have the most trigger time with.....oh and I would simply rack it....but for home defense I use a SxS....yeah I know not very techy......a Bushy for backup is close by
RG |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:06:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Both
and pie |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:07:48 PM EDT
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City house I use a shotgun Country house I use a rifle Right tool for the job. I'm not roamin' the range here, we're talking about an engagement taking place inside of ten yards. There are other inhabited structures within 75 feet on all sides. I'll say this again and you can laugh all you want and roll your eyes... The average urbanite cares not a whit about superior ballistics. They respect and fear shotguns. Period. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:07:51 PM EDT
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I use a 91/30 for HD. Fixed bayonet.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:12:39 PM EDT
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I use a 91/30 for HD. Fixed bayonet. 7 yard stabbings GO!
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:15:14 PM EDT
[#17]
(pi - 3) x 10^50 ?
(that's one of your options...) |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:19:50 PM EDT
[#18]
HD => Carbine > Shotgun > Handgun (in general, exceptions exist, yadda, yadda, yadda)
YMMV, as always. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:23:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: The box o truth you mention dosen't accurately depict what a short barrel shotgun will do. The pattern diameter will be much wider. My 8in SBS will throw a pattern as wide as an E type silouhette at about 25 feet. With what penetration? |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:26:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: (pi - 3) x 10^50 ? (that's one of your options...)  |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:27:27 PM EDT
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HD => Carbine > Shotgun > Handgun (in general, exceptions exist, yadda, yadda, yadda) YMMV, as always.
Bingo. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:33:19 PM EDT
[#22]
<––––––- bare hands
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:34:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Poll fail
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Posted: 12/17/2009 12:58:14 PM EDT
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Carbine if you can afford one, shotgun if you cant. Not really what I was asking, but thanks anyway. I agree. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:02:13 PM EDT
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Dude, I once picked up an old Brit 303 loaded with mil spec fmj in my apartment because it was the closest thing available and I thought SHTF and I wasn't going to be taken alive.
If zombies in body armor were outside, I was ready. Everyone else was going to have to fend for themselves. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:02:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:11:27 PM EDT
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Carbine>Handgun. I want to know where ALL my rounds are going.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:16:18 PM EDT
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Not sure what the question is......... Either way I read, enjoy and believe the box o' truth and I prefer the shotgun.There are rational reasons to pick a shotgun or other weapon(s) for HD. Do what you want, you’re a grownup and this is still (kinda) a free country. I’m talking about the mind numbingly hopeless fuckwads that insist on birdshot, racking actions, etc. In short, they are making life and death decisions based on Hollywood fakery and weirdo mall ninja fantasy. The number of times I've had to deal with customers who believe that all they need to do is "rack the slide" on the 12 gauge for which they're filling out the paperwork, and that's all that's needed for criminals to go away, is mind boggling. Customer: "Yep. Just rack the slide, and they'll shit their pants" Me: "Or, they'll know from the sound exactly where you are, and that you are now up and armed. Meanwhile, you don't know where they are, how many there are, if they're armed, if they'll just kill you to take your stuff, or calmly leave." C: "But all you've gotta do is point that thang towards the door and pull the trigger, and they'll get vaporized" Me: "Due to how shotgun shells are constructed, they don't instantly fan out like you see in the movies, but take X number of feet to begin to expand, and a "near miss" doesn't count. Learning what you're doing, training with your intended loadout, and being competent with what you're buying are key. I mean, after all, it's only your life on the line, right?" C: "Huh. Never thought of that." 
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:19:47 PM EDT
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As others have said Rifle/carbine > Shotgun > Handgun.
And as I said in the other thread: As much as I love my Marlin 336, at the moment I am content to use my shotguns. It's based on the fact that I have more trigger time on my shotguns, and therefore, am more comfortable with them; I have more ammo for them; and at this time they are set up for fighting better than the Marlin is. Any fight in my home will take place in shotgun range, so I think we'd be okay in using them. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:24:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Nothing better than a shotgun at hallway ranges...
Outside of that, carbine. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:24:45 PM EDT
[#31]
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The box o truth you mention dosen't accurately depict what a short barrel shotgun will do. The pattern diameter will be much wider. My 8in SBS will throw a pattern as wide as an E type silouhette at about 25 feet. No sir, you are misrepresenting what I said. When you say, "dosen't accurately depict what a short barrel shotgun will do", you are not being honest. I do not have, and have never tested a short barreled shotgun, so you can't say that I don't "accurately depict" what it will do. I have made no statements about them at all. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:25:29 PM EDT
[#32]
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Not sure what the question is......... Either way I read, enjoy and believe the box o' truth and I prefer the shotgun.+1 
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:30:45 PM EDT
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As others have noted, both the shotgun and the carbine are fine systems for home defense.
The advantages of a shotgun are that they tend to be less expensive than a carbine, they are fairly simple to operate, and with the proper loads (00 buck) they are very effective. The limitations of a shotgun are: 1. It is most effective with the proper ammunition. 2. It is most effective from zero to 30 yards. As Clint Smith reminds us, "At close range, it will remove meat and bone." 3. It can be effective out to 75-100 yards with slugs. 4. It has limited ammunition capacity. This increases the need for "manipulation", and is, in Clint's opinion, its major problem. If your adversary is not wearing armor, then a load of 00 buck can be very effective at Stopping his actions. The advantages of a rifle are precision, high ammo capacity, quick and easy reloads, and very powerful ammunition. Both are good systems. But Carbine > Shotgun > Pistol, is still true for most applications. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 1:39:22 PM EDT
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We’ve got another shotguns vs. carbine thread going and the dipshit level is, as always, strong. Is it because no one reads the Box o’ Truth? Are they so stupid that they would rather believe some bullshit spouted by the 350lb specialforcesmarinerecondeltasealsniper who spends all day on the customer side of the gun counter just because he’s wearing black jungle boots with black BDU pants and a black T-shirt with cigarette burns and taco sauce on it? Anybody wearing that much black must know what the fuck they’re talking about right? How fucking retarded are people that they can’t accept empirical data derived from experimental evidence? What kind of chest beating, mouth breathing, helmet wearing, window licking fucktard can’t let go of dipshit ideas in the face of evidence? It’s not like Old_Painless is the only one who has ever done any penetration tests and it’s not like it’s hard to set up a couple pieces of drywall, meat or water jugs to determine what real bullets really do, for real. Fucking retards. Don’t get me wrong, I like hearing the various views on the real world merits of 9mm vs. .45 and shotgun vs. carbine or any number of other debates. I’m also not trying to tell folks what to do in their own homes. Use a fucking Super Soaker for HD for all I care. ETA: speaking of 'tards, I managed to cut off the "3." from pi when I copied and pasted. For those that have somehow managed not to read the Box o’ Truth, despite the numerous links and suggestions, pull your head out of your ass and click the mother fucking link: Box o' Truth Rough day at the office?
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Posted: 12/17/2009 2:58:18 PM EDT
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As others have noted, both the shotgun and the carbine are fine systems for home defense. The advantages of a shotgun are that they tend to be less expensive than a carbine, they are fairly simple to operate, and with the proper loads (00 buck) they are very effective. The limitations of a shotgun are: 1. It is most effective with the proper ammunition. 2. It is most effective from zero to 30 yards. As Clint Smith reminds us, "At close range, it will remove meat and bone." 3. It can be effective out to 75-100 yards with slugs. 4. It has limited ammunition capacity. This increases the need for "manipulation", and is, in Clint's opinion, its major problem. If your adversary is not wearing armor, then a load of 00 buck can be very effective at Stopping his actions. The advantages of a rifle are precision, high ammo capacity, quick and easy reloads, and very powerful ammunition. Both are good systems. But Carbine > Shotgun > Pistol, is still true for most applications. What if I am defending myself from a very aggressive magpie that lives somewhere near my house? (Don't laugh, it has happened )
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:13:33 PM EDT
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Wait a minute.....this is a trick question
There is no decimal point. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:22:34 PM EDT
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Shotgun.
Birdshot followed by a tube of buck. |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:23:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: Shotgun. Birdshot followed by a tube of buck.  |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:24:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:24:29 PM EDT
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Shotgun. Birdshot followed by a tube of buck.
My choice made based on empirical evidence and cold hard facts of life. Bring it, bitches!!!! 
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:32:34 PM EDT
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Shotgun. Birdshot followed by a tube of buck.
My choice made based on empirical evidence and cold hard facts of life. Bring it, bitches!!!! that home invaders first send a pigeon in to make sure its safe? |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:33:06 PM EDT
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Carbine all the way. Keep in mind I have mounted a large speaker and an IPod to my rail system. It plays the sound of my 870 being racked to scare all the people who wouldn't be scared by the black assault rifle in my hands as I search the property.
Seriously a shotgun in gay states like NJ and Mass (I'm an exile) or when your carbine is broke. Either one is fine so long as you have a light mounted to it and your trained (conduct rehearsals in your house) in its use as well as the local laws. Vin |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:34:35 PM EDT
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I think the ultimate home defense set up does not even envolve firearms. Ideally, I would have a rack of liquid nitrogen dewers in an underground enclosure in my back yard. I would also run tubing into every room and hallway except for the main quarters. In the event if a hone invasion I would turn a valve filling the house with fog/liquid nitrogen. After the tanks emptied I would shoot the frozen ne'er-do-wells with a bb gun, shattering them just like in terminator. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:41:50 PM EDT
[#44]
I;ve allways used a shotgun for the house....something about hitting a motherfucker with a wall of shot allways appealed to me
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:53:10 PM EDT
[#45]
edit: fail
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:58:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: I use a 91/30 for HD. Fixed bayonet. I like M44s better, more compact |
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Posted: 12/17/2009 4:07:00 PM EDT
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I plan on using really strong language for home defense. I'm sure they'll do a Box 'O Truth about different expletives.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 4:10:40 PM EDT
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And these are the people I hope to face as my adversaries some day...ignorant, over confident and untrained. I'll be collecting plenty of spare weapons and ammo.Quoted:
Not sure what the question is......... Either way I read, enjoy and believe the box o' truth and I prefer the shotgun.There are rational reasons to pick a shotgun or other weapon(s) for HD. Do what you want, you’re a grownup and this is still (kinda) a free country. I’m talking about the mind numbingly hopeless fuckwads that insist on birdshot, racking actions, etc. In short, they are making life and death decisions based on Hollywood fakery and weirdo mall ninja fantasy.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 4:12:02 PM EDT
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When I was in the French merchant sub marine airborne special forces infantry we were issued special suppressed .410 subguns with birdshot for hunting terrorists in Antarctica. I always thought that they would make the best HD guns.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 4:16:27 PM EDT
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And these are the people I hope to face as my adversaries some day...ignorant, over confident and untrained. I'll be collecting plenty of spare weapons and ammo.Quoted:
Not sure what the question is......... Either way I read, enjoy and believe the box o' truth and I prefer the shotgun.There are rational reasons to pick a shotgun or other weapon(s) for HD. Do what you want, you’re a grownup and this is still (kinda) a free country. I’m talking about the mind numbingly hopeless fuckwads that insist on birdshot, racking actions, etc. In short, they are making life and death decisions based on Hollywood fakery and weirdo mall ninja fantasy.
All you internet commandos that piss on birdshot, I dare you to perform your own box o'truth. Take your favorite weapon, any kind, any load. Make a man-sized target and place at a distance of 2-5 yards. Then take your firstborn child and place behind your target. What was I told before? Oh, yeah... I'm just not confident in shot placement to use buckshot when shooting toward my child through a couple sheets of drywall. Apparently I lack ninja skilz. |
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