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Posted: 3/13/2011 5:29:10 PM EST
The only reason I've heard is, "Nine holes bleed out faster than one".

Is this really true? I mean, a slug makes a pretty big fuckin' hole, if I'm not mistaken.

It seems better to me to use only slugs, that way you're covered for a variety of scenarios from up-close to ranged encounters. You don't have to worry about swapping ammo, you just have one type that does it all.

Maybe shot is better in buildings, as it might not penetrate as far? The spread of shot at indoor distances isn't all that much, so wouldn't sticking to slugs make more sense in that case? Less chance of having a pellet ricochet, too?

I'm not really a shotgunner. I have a couple, but I have a pistol and rifle for HD purposes. Apologies if my shotgun-related ignorance is showing
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:30:27 PM EST
You are nine times more likely to hit something vital with 00 buck.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:31:49 PM EST
Increased chance of CNS hit?
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:32:47 PM EST
Not quite 9 times as likely. In home defense distances it won't spread much. If the 9 balls spread a couple of inches though that's a ragged, nasty hole that should do more damage than a single slug hole.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:33:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By hobbsar:
You are nine times more likely to hit something vital with 00 buck.


Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:33:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Increased chance of CNS hit?

I don't know... A slug is pretty nasty. You'd need to miss by a LOT not to neutralize an opponent's combat effectiveness.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:34:13 PM EST
I use 4 shot.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:35:13 PM EST
In before the birdshot hoopla.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:35:23 PM EST
The first one's birdshot, the next four are double aught buck
The last one's a slug just for good luck.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:37:08 PM EST
I'm trying to think of the balance between a hi-cap handgun and a shotgun, and range as well. Meaning, the area of effectiveness of the two and where do they overlap or the advantage of one over the other? For example in the house to the immediate area outside (zombie hoards, mobs/looters etc).
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:37:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
The first one's birdshot, the next four are double aught buck
The last one's a slug just for good luck.


Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:37:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
The first one's birdshot, the next four are double aught buck
The last one's a slug just for good luck.


Houston, we have lift off.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:38:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 5:39:34 PM EST by steinlok87]
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:40:35 PM EST
Ideal for the transfer of energy from the pellets to the body. A slug will most likely pass right through a person since all the energy and momentum is concentrated in that single slug. If it passes right through, then all the energy the slug has after it passes through the body is wasted.

Buckshot divides that energy and momentum into multiple smaller projectiles. Each pellet still has enough momentum/energy to do damage, yet not so much that they will pass right through and waste it.

On the far end of that you have bird shot. The momentum/energy is divided up between all those little pellets/BBs. Each pellet/BB on its own has a relatively small amount of energy and momentum vs. a slug or buckshot because their mass is so much less. Thats why bird shot is not ideal for self defense.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:41:21 PM EST
With shot at close distances you get a rat hole effect, the entrance wound might be 4 inches in dia, where a slug is .58 cal, still serious but not as much. Now where penetration is needed, car door, body armor, security doors etc, a slug is a good thing.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:41:35 PM EST
I use 1 oz foster slugs. The only way to hit a deer harder is to hit it with a cement mixer truck, so I'll go with it will impact scumbag just about as hard.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:41:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


Never heard of it.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:42:03 PM EST
This thread is falling like a howitzer out the back of a C-130...
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:42:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
The first one's birdshot, the next four are double aught buck
The last one's a slug just for good luck.

Ellis Dee FTMFW!!1!!!

The rest of you need to listen to better music.....
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:42:35 PM EST
I dont have some high speed low drag answer for you but I do live rural and have a farm. I find that out of my AR and AK the gun I carry most is my Stoeger SXS 12 gauge. Its the coach gun model with 18 inch barrels. I have a shell carrier on it with 23/4 and 3 inch shells all in buckshot. I have taken every varmint around with buckshot and never felt undergunned.
I am a firm believer in the power of buckshot.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:42:46 PM EST
A slug from a shotgun is no joke-it is a good choice for home defense.

I think Buck is recommended because A. it has a less chance of going through walls and B. if you are, say, half awake, and get close enough to have 4 or 5 of the buckshot balls hit the target, it still does plenty of damage. It will have enough impact to slow down an attacker. You miss with a slug..you miss 100%.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:42:59 PM EST
what about the new Kel Tec that holds a tube of each??
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:43:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 5:46:38 PM EST by gs1150]
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


That has GOT to be a joke.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:44:01 PM EST
Slugs tend to penetrate too much through a wide variety of materials.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:44:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
The first one's birdshot, the next four are double aught buck
The last one's a slug just for good luck.


He's got his works in his pocket
He wants to score as soon as he's done
He can't wait to get straight to get long gone
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:45:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


If your home intruder is breaking in with a few ducks in front of him, maybe.

For actual home defense, no. Read more, post less.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:45:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
The first one's birdshot, the next four are double aught buck
The last one's a slug just for good luck.


He's got his works in his pocket
He wants to score as soon as he's done
He can't wait to get straight to get long gone


Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:45:38 PM EST
Over penetration. Having shot hogs broadside with slugs, the slugs keep on trucking out of the hog.

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Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:45:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
The first one's birdshot, the next four are double aught buck
The last one's a slug just for good luck.

Swing Batter!
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:46:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By Beltfedleadhead:
The only reason I've heard is, "Nine holes bleed out faster than one".

Is this really true? I mean, a slug makes a pretty big fuckin' hole, if I'm not mistaken.

It seems better to me to use only slugs, that way you're covered for a variety of scenarios from up-close to ranged encounters. You don't have to worry about swapping ammo, you just have one type that does it all.

Maybe shot is better in buildings, as it might not penetrate as far? The spread of shot at indoor distances isn't all that much, so wouldn't sticking to slugs make more sense in that case? Less chance of having a pellet ricochet, too?

I'm not really a shotgunner. I have a couple, but I have a pistol and rifle for HD purposes. Apologies if my shotgun-related ignorance is showing


For one, slugs do make follow up shots a weeeeee bit slower
2 3/4in 00 buck does the job better, and with less *BLEEEP* factor.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:47:04 PM EST
Really you don't need to load it.



Just rack the slide and any intruder that does not run away screaming like a girl will drop to the floor paralyzed with fear.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:47:49 PM EST
I prefer slugs myself, but it's not like i turn my nose up at buckshot.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:47:59 PM EST
Ounces :10 Pellets
Shot Size :000 Buck
Muzzle Velocity :1225 fps
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:48:00 PM EST
If I had a shotgun for HD, I'd use a jungle load:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/50rds-12-gauge-centurion-le-2-34-multidefense-buck/manufacturers_id/38?osCsid=0b8760f4d7443b1a43f1359c555ee415

Which is - "I plan to be aiming but just in case I'm not."
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:48:19 PM EST
At HD distances a COM hit with either slug or buck from a 12GA is going to be very hard to survive.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:48:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bob1984:
Slugs tend to penetrate too much through a wide variety of materials.


Last post wins.

So, I use buckshot. I do have a slug as #4 as if I get that deep into the mag then it might be time for a change.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:48:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By hobbsar:
You are nine times more likely to hit something vital with 00 buck.

How the hell you getting nine pellets of #00 in a .410 shell?

How bad would the recoil be from my Judge?



Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:50:18 PM EST
Because buckshot is just damn good fun.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:50:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By substandard:

Originally Posted By hobbsar:
You are nine times more likely to hit something vital with 00 buck.

How the hell you getting nine pellets of #00 in a .410 shell?

How bad would the recoil be from my Judge?




Awww shit, son. You just dun gone n' divided by DERP.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:50:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By substandard:

Originally Posted By hobbsar:
You are nine times more likely to hit something vital with 00 buck.

How the hell you getting nine pellets of #00 in a .410 shell?

How bad would the recoil be from my Judge?





You re load it five times.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:53:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Increased chance of CNS hit?

Im going to go with this.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:53:16 PM EST
I don't keep my shotgun loaded, I heard that all I need to do was rack it and the bad guys will lose bladder control.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:54:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By Silverbulletz06:
I don't keep my shotgun loaded, I heard that all I need to do was rack it and the bad guys will lose bladder control.


Bullshit.





It makes them fall over dead.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:55:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 5:56:35 PM EST by Andrapos]

Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: 00 buckshot
2nd load: 00 buckshot
3rd load: 00 buckshot or slug
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: 00 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


FIXED

Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:56:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By gs1150:
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


That has GOT to be a joke.


LOL No, no, let him explain it. I bet the logic of it will be overwhelming.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:59:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


Most logical on fucking mars, here, it lacks any thought at all, never mind logical or knowledgeable thought.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:05:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By Grey_Man:
Originally Posted By gs1150:
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


That has GOT to be a joke.


LOL No, no, let him explain it. I bet the logic of it will be overwhelming.


1st load is the attention getter.
2nd load is for the carrier pigeon he releases with the distress message to his friends.
3rd load is to make him mad
4th load is the one he uses after he gets the shotgun away from you and shoves it up your ass.
5th load is for your dog.
6th load is for.. well I don't really know.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:08:18 PM EST
Buck N Ball ammo ?
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:08:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By hobbsar:
Originally Posted By Grey_Man:
Originally Posted By gs1150:
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


That has GOT to be a joke.


LOL No, no, let him explain it. I bet the logic of it will be overwhelming.


1st load is the attention getter.
2nd load is for the carrier pigeon he releases with the distress message to his friends.
3rd load is to make him mad
4th load is the one he uses after he gets the shotgun away from you and shoves it up your ass.
5th load is for your dog.
6th load is for.. well I don't really know.


The 6th load is used to shoot some dinner.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:10:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
1st load: #4 birdshot
2nd load: #6 birdshot
3rd load: # 4 buckshot
4th load: 00 buckshot
5th load: slug
6th load: #1 buckshot

This is the most logical shotgun loadout.


Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:12:49 PM EST
These threads make my brain hurt.

#1 Buck is good, if you can get it. Otherwise, OO Buck.

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