Shotgun or Sidearm? (Short film from the 1970s)

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Posted: 11/28/2014 1:28:26 PM EDT

Posted: 11/28/2014 1:39:51 PM EDT

[#1]

Cool vid. Back then surplus M1 carbines would have been a good choice.

ETA: -1 for not using the shotgun as a club.

Posted: 11/28/2014 1:40:10 PM EDT

[#2]

8 foot spread at like 20 yards?

Posted: 11/28/2014 1:52:34 PM EDT

[#3]

LOL,NYPD would have emptied their mags,wounded 9+ bystanders,and missed the bad guy altogether.

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:03:55 PM EDT

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Sounds like someone using #9 with an oc barrel.

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:18:40 PM EDT

[#5]

lol

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:35:03 PM EDT

[#6]

Why did he use a Mini 14?

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:55:32 PM EDT

[#7]

Needs more FliteControl... And a sling...

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:57:11 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/28/2014 3:39:36 PM EDT

[#9]

Not very relevant anymore with modern ammunition.

Posted: 11/28/2014 3:43:02 PM EDT

[#10]

Thing I took away from that whole video is that I need to remodel my den. Built in the early 70s, it has the same paneling as the jewelry store, and, not only that, the same macrame owl hanging on the wall.

Posted: 11/28/2014 3:54:53 PM EDT

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I'll bite-why?

At distance,the 00 I shoot thru my 870s still spreads.

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:00:37 PM EDT

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I'll bite-why?

At distance,the 00 I shoot thru my 870s still spreads.

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Not relevant anymore with modern ammunition.

I'll bite-why?

At distance,the 00 I shoot thru my 870s still spreads.

It will still spread, but no where near as drastically if you are using the right ammunition.

Federal Flite Control is one of the best options.

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:02:55 PM EDT

[#13]

What clean-cut criminals they had back then.

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:06:22 PM EDT

[#14]

shit happens..............

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:07:29 PM EDT

[#15]

"Whirl, fire, and blow the guy away!"
Thanks for posting.

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:07:46 PM EDT

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Even less relevant with the advent of reliable, inexpensive autoloading rifles.

The shotgun is a lousy choice for a patrol long gun.

The question should be: Sidearm or rifle? The answer is: if you a reason to ask the question, take the rifle.

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:11:49 PM EDT

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Even less relevant with the advent of reliable, inexpensive autoloading rifles.

The shotgun is a lousy choice for a patrol long gun.

The question should be: Sidearm or rifle? The answer is: if you a reason to ask the question, take the rifle.

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Not very relevant anymore with modern ammunition.

Even less relevant with the advent of reliable, inexpensive autoloading rifles.

The shotgun is a lousy choice for a patrol long gun.

The question should be: Sidearm or rifle? The answer is: if you a reason to ask the question, take the rifle.

I would maybe argue your no love on the shotgun

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:16:42 PM EDT

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It will still spread, but no where near as drastically if you are using the right ammunition.

Federal Flite Control is one of the best options.

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Not relevant anymore with modern ammunition.

I'll bite-why?

At distance,the 00 I shoot thru my 870s still spreads.

It will still spread, but no where near as drastically if you are using the right ammunition.

Federal Flite Control is one of the best options.

Shotguns in LE Patrol work are strictly for special applications. Carbines are for shooting people that you don't want to shoot with your pistol.

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:50:49 PM EDT

[#19]

It is amazing how much bad information is in that film.

Training has come a very long way since then.

Posted: 11/28/2014 6:10:35 PM EDT

[#20]

That was my first thought as well.

Posted: 11/28/2014 6:28:28 PM EDT

[#21]

4 door Novas as police cars?

Posted: 11/28/2014 6:36:06 PM EDT

[#22]

Federal Flight Control Wad FTW!!!

Posted: 11/28/2014 6:48:27 PM EDT

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Modern reduced recoil 00 has a much tighter grouping
We still wouldn't tell our guys to be using 00 at 20 yards

Posted: 11/28/2014 7:05:35 PM EDT

[#24]

So, I'm 3 minutes in and I've discovered that NYPD is still carrying shotguns? Didn't know Glock made'm.

Posted: 11/28/2014 7:31:11 PM EDT

[#25]

I don't see why the black cop couldn't let one of the kids with the skateboard hold his gun while he jumped the fence-then they could have tossed it over to him.They seemed like nice kids......

Posted: 11/28/2014 7:33:06 PM EDT

[#26]

I love this video!!!

Posted: 11/28/2014 7:55:56 PM EDT

[#27]

I had a Model 94 in my patrol car in the 70's...30-30 goodness
I have a Model 37 Ithaca 12 that I cracked the butt on when I stroked a rape suspect across the noodle with it, shotgun stocks are NOT good for buttstrokes...

Posted: 11/28/2014 7:57:09 PM EDT

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Who uses a single disk of plastic as wadding, no cup what so ever.

Posted: 11/28/2014 7:57:39 PM EDT

[#29]

you gotta love a shotgun

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:08:06 PM EDT

[#30]

if your a little slo on a pump...................

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:13:10 PM EDT

[#31]

I remember them.

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:14:46 PM EDT

[#32]

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That was my favorite line from the whole movie!!

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:15:59 PM EDT

[#33]

Thank you. It reminds me of the academy. Many of the same points were covered during my training.

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:20:37 PM EDT

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IM me, I have some awesome 4 track tapes.

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:20:50 PM EDT

[#35]

Lulz at the soundtrack at 1:43.

Aeeeh! Look out! Oh no!

«tc2k11»

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:23:41 PM EDT

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Not with SLUGS.

just a neat, clean .729 entry hole.

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:24:51 PM EDT

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Needs more COLT SP-1

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:40:56 PM EDT

[#38]

Good thing they moved to AR's, at least they know how to shoot them properly.

ETA: Dammit, beat!

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:44:18 PM EDT

[#39]

That was old school, very well made for that time. Thank good we have advanced in our training and equipment since then. I do still carry a shotgun from time to time though

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:52:44 PM EDT

[#40]

And to think of how many of their problems could have been solved with a simple sling.

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:52:50 PM EDT

[#41]

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Funny that you should show up in this thread.

It's amazing how much tighter the groups are with properly designed modern shotgun shells.

Posted: 11/28/2014 8:58:05 PM EDT

[#42]

Needs more COLT SP-1

The rarely seen overhand spray and pray hold.

Posted: 11/28/2014 9:09:34 PM EDT

[#43]

Were ARs not an option back then?

Posted: 11/28/2014 9:15:17 PM EDT

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It's like in my dept, about impossible to get a rifle, even if you got one you can't use a red dot or any sort of optic. And our shotguns must be unloaded in a case in the trunk. Oh and no slugs, pump style only.

Posted: 11/28/2014 9:17:57 PM EDT

[#45]

I guess slings are a modern invention. And why didn't cop #2 with the shotgun buttstroke the guy in the liver or kidney.

Posted: 11/28/2014 9:28:20 PM EDT

[#46]

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It's like in my dept, about impossible to get a rifle, even if you got one you can't use a red dot or any sort of optic. And our shotguns must be unloaded in a case in the trunk. Oh and no slugs, pump style only.

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Were ARs not an option back then?

It's like in my dept, about impossible to get a rifle, even if you got one you can't use a red dot or any sort of optic. And our shotguns must be unloaded in a case in the trunk. Oh and no slugs, pump style only.

Were there any quality red dots or other optics in the 70s anyways?

Posted: 11/28/2014 11:21:45 PM EDT

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Were there any quality red dots or other optics in the 70s anyways?

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Were ARs not an option back then?

It's like in my dept, about impossible to get a rifle, even if you got one you can't use a red dot or any sort of optic. And our shotguns must be unloaded in a case in the trunk. Oh and no slugs, pump style only.

Were there any quality red dots or other optics in the 70s anyways?

Armeson OEG

Posted: 11/29/2014 12:36:36 AM EDT

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Shotguns in LE Patrol work are strictly for special applications. Carbines are for shooting people that you don't want to shoot with your pistol.

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Not relevant anymore with modern ammunition.

I'll bite-why?

At distance,the 00 I shoot thru my 870s still spreads.

It will still spread, but no where near as drastically if you are using the right ammunition.

Federal Flite Control is one of the best options.

Shotguns in LE Patrol work are strictly for special applications. Carbines are for shooting people that you don't want to shoot with your pistol.

Yeah, I know.