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Posted: 2/26/2007 10:15:32 AM EST
Some people like to argue that a .223 round will penetrated a ballistic vest but then they say that a carbine is safer than a shotgun because .223 will not penetrate through 1/2" sheetrock.




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Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:17:17 AM EST
Obviously they are wrong.

www.theboxotruth.com/
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:19:19 AM EST
I'll take Carbine for $200 Alex.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:20:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:20:39 AM EST
I don't think you will find many people here who will say that .223 doesn't penetrate sheetrock. If anyone does say it, they are wrong.

What is true is that a shotgum shooting loads that are effective for home defense and .223 will BOTh go through sheetrock.

.223 carbines make better weapons because they have less recoil, are more accurate, and you can carry more ammo.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:22:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/26/2007 10:23:41 AM EST by Old_Painless]

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
Some people like to argue that a .223 round will penetrated a ballistic vest but then they say that a carbine is safer than a shotgun because .223 will not penetrate through 1/2" sheetrock.






Never heard anyone say a .223 won't penetrate 1/2 inch of drywall.

I know for a fact, that both 12 gauge 00 Buckshot and a .223 will penetrate through at least 4 walls, both sides.

The only conclusion I draw from that is that any powerful round that will effectively stop a goblin, will also penetrate several walls. So......."Be sure of your target and what is beyond it."

Sounds like some kind of "Rule".
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:24:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
Some people like to argue that a .223 round will penetrated a ballistic vest but then they say that a carbine is safer than a shotgun because .223 will not penetrate through 1/2" sheetrock.






Insert "pancake bunny" pic here.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:24:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/26/2007 10:33:39 AM EST by Rampant_Colt]
Use Airsoft - it's safe for the children!

Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:29:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
Some people like to argue that a .223 round will penetrated a ballistic vest but then they say that a carbine is safer than a shotgun because .223 will not penetrate through 1/2" sheetrock.



Not quite. It WILL penetrate the typical sheetrock found in homes, and depending on the type of bullet, it will fragment inside the walls. Sometimes all the framents stay inside the walls, sometimes pieces exit, and sometimes the whole bullet punches through and keeps going. No guarantees, however, typical SMG rounds (9mm) tend to punch through walls more often than .223 rounds do.

Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:29:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'll take Carbine for $200 Alex.


Roger that.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:32:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
Some people like to argue that a .223 round will penetrated a ballistic vest but then they say that a carbine is safer than a shotgun because .223 will not penetrate through 1/2" sheetrock.





Who says that?

You're making that up. (link please).


Just hold on for a few minutes, they will come.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:33:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/26/2007 10:35:13 AM EST by tommytrauma]

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
Some people like to argue that a .223 round will penetrated a ballistic vest but then they say that a carbine is safer than a shotgun because .223 will not penetrate through 1/2" sheetrock.






Either you're being extremely simplistic, or you're quoting simpletons.

.223 has been found to have less wounding potential after penatrating such barriers then some other types of rounds. ANyone who reads the research on the subject and construes it to mean that .223 won't penatrate sheeetrock needs to look into hooked on phonics.

Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:34:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/26/2007 10:35:51 AM EST by IAMLEGEND]
I think there's a legitimate debate regarding shotgun versus carbine but the original post doesn't bring any of it into play.

The shotgun has things going for it like the fact that they are common, inexpensive and are not forbidden in certain jurisdictions where an AR might be forbidden.
The fact that the shotgun seems to be more accepted in a hunting role and for other politically correct uses helps in some ways. Someone who hunts birds or shoots clays now and then and doesn’t want to spend much more on home defense can probably do a pretty good job of protecting himself with a shotgun.
Some people believe early proficiency gains can be seen sooner with a shotgun, maybe because it's a bit simpler.

But this sheetrock nonsense is bullshit.


ETA: And when I hear a weird noise at night it's an AR carbine I am grabbing.


Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:35:09 AM EST
u sure they meant drywall? shit thats easy enough to disprove, throw a hammer at it. it goes through.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:36:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
I don't think you will find many people here who will say that .223 doesn't penetrate sheetrock. If anyone does say it, they are wrong.

What is true is that a shotgum shooting loads that are effective for home defense and .223 will BOTh go through sheetrock.

.223 carbines make better weapons because they have less recoil, are more accurate, and you can carry more ammo.


mmmmmmmmmm, shotgum...

Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:41:51 AM EST
I myself prefer the Carbine since it's much easier to gain rounds for it, wheras the shotgun runs out after one level.

Oh wait....we're not talking about Halo 2, are we....
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:46:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
Some people like to argue that a .223 round will penetrated a ballistic vest but then they say that a carbine is safer than a shotgun because .223 will not penetrate through 1/2" sheetrock.






Either you're being extremely simplistic, or you're quoting simpletons.


I vote he's simply a fool.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:47:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/26/2007 10:51:51 AM EST by markm]
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Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:50:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
Some people like to argue that a .223 round will penetrated a ballistic vest but then they say that a carbine is safer than a shotgun because .223 will not penetrate through 1/2" sheetrock.





Who says that?

You're making that up. (link please).


Just hold on for a few minutes, they will come.


"They're heeeere"
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:51:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By GabbasaurusRex:
I myself prefer the Carbine since it's much easier to gain rounds for it, wheras the shotgun runs out after one level.

Oh wait....we're not talking about Halo 2, are we....


dump both and dual wield alien plasma guns!
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:15:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'll take Carbine for $200 Alex.


Roger that.



$250 here

fred
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:29:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/26/2007 11:30:10 AM EST by Yojimbo]
AGNTSA...

Maybe it's best for everyone to just have both...



However, if given the choice of one or the other I'll take my carbean...
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:30:45 AM EST
AJNTSA indeed.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:31:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By MAT-49:

Originally Posted By GabbasaurusRex:
I myself prefer the Carbine since it's much easier to gain rounds for it, wheras the shotgun runs out after one level.

Oh wait....we're not talking about Halo 2, are we....


dump both and dual wield alien plasma guns!

Brute shot, baby. It's all about the brute shot.
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