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Posted: 8/27/2004 2:21:22 AM EST
Well I was at a range yesterday and got to run 100 rounds through an FN 5.7..... SWEET!
It shot so flat and no recoil.... at 25 yds I chewed the face out of the target.
Yes it will be my next Off Duty gun.... hopefully... they will make at lest 15 round magazines for it come Sept. 14.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 2:23:03 AM EST
Other than the cost of the ammo, if a p;easure to shoot.
Haven't shot mine in a few months.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:17:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 3:18:34 AM EST by John_Wayne777]
I am sure they would be fun to shoot, hardly any recoil and large mag capacities in the non-neutered LEO/MIL versions.

But the effectiveness of the round those things fire is suspect at best. I wouldn't trust one as a carry piece. But for general merriment they are probably quite fun. Also great for squirrels.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:37:08 AM EST
Aren't normal cap mags on these 20 ?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:38:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By ANGST:
Aren't normal cap mags on these 20 ?



Yes, they are. I hear the recoil is like a .22lr pistol.

Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:41:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By ANGST:
Aren't normal cap mags on these 20 ?



Yep, sweet isn't it?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:02:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 5:03:05 AM EST by ANGST]
I came this {---} close to buying one, but got a SigPro .357 instead.


I love the SigPro BTW, but one of these would be cool.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:18:44 AM EST
Ammo was $7 for 50, supoposed to be like a 5.56, tumbles inside,If I carry it for 6 monts I can take it off my taxes. Have to see how the mags go onthe 14th.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:20:24 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:21:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheWind:
Well I was at a range yesterday and got to run 100 rounds through an FN 5.7..... SWEET!
It shot so flat and no recoil.... at 25 yds I chewed the face out of the target.
Yes it will be my next Off Duty gun.... hopefully... they will make at lest 15 round magazines for it come Sept. 14.



Everything shoots flat at 25 yards.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:24:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By TheWind:
Well I was at a range yesterday and got to run 100 rounds through an FN 5.7..... SWEET!
It shot so flat and no recoil.... at 25 yds I chewed the face out of the target.
Yes it will be my next Off Duty gun.... hopefully... they will make at lest 15 round magazines for it come Sept. 14.



Everything shoots flat at 25 yards.




Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:26:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 10:32:49 AM EST by TheRicker]
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:28:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:28:34 AM EST
Even though everyone says the round is shit (especially the non-LEO one), I still really like the idea, and will be tempted to buy one if they're offered with 20-round mags after Sept 14.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:34:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By GC456:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By TheWind:
Well I was at a range yesterday and got to run 100 rounds through an FN 5.7..... SWEET!
It shot so flat and no recoil.... at 25 yds I chewed the face out of the target.
Yes it will be my next Off Duty gun.... hopefully... they will make at lest 15 round magazines for it come Sept. 14.



Everything shoots flat at 25 yards.




Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance



OH BULLSHIT



Well you DO have to aim high! There is a considerable diffrence between my .45 and my .38 super.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:35:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By GC456:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By TheWind:
Well I was at a range yesterday and got to run 100 rounds through an FN 5.7..... SWEET!
It shot so flat and no recoil.... at 25 yds I chewed the face out of the target.
Yes it will be my next Off Duty gun.... hopefully... they will make at lest 15 round magazines for it come Sept. 14.



Everything shoots flat at 25 yards.




Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance



Maybe you meant, not a 1911

My USP45tac will tear up the target at 25yds and the sights are right on!

P.S. I heard someone say TUMBLE.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:39:46 AM EST
through body armor and tumble... the entire design of this caliber was based on the intent of that.

J
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:42:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Even though everyone says the round is shit (especially the non-LEO one), I still really like the idea, and will be tempted to buy one if they're offered with 20-round mags after Sept 14.



+1
I think it's a good idea. Once we can have the 20rnd. mags back and they bring out the Government model. It's the next pistol on my list of "guns to buy". In the "Real World" the last thing that you want is over penetration, with this round you shouldn't have to worry about it too much, plus, that little bullet tumbling around inside someone is bound to do a bunch of damage. I like the concept, I think it'll be like the AR, they'll be a few bugs to work out with regaurd to ammo but once that's done it'll be the wave of the future.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:44:02 AM EST
Actually, I believe it was designed to penetrate body armor

It was HOPED it would tumble, since it is basically a slowed down 5.56 round otherwise
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:44:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 10:47:11 AM EST by Lumpy196]
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:47:38 AM EST
ugh.. 25yds? That's like point-blank range. What do you care if the bullet drops 0.065 inches? not going to make much of a difference to the target, eh?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:49:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 10:50:56 AM EST by Ridge]
Tumbling ain't that special.


Now if it tumbled around inside your body like a pinball, that might be something.


edited to add: Is today Groundhog day?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:51:31 AM EST
you must have been using the training ammo. As the real ammo costs upwards of a buck each, they are AP I believe too.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:52:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 10:54:37 AM EST by Forest]

Originally Posted By TheWind:
It shot so flat and no recoil.... at 25 yds I chewed the face out of the target.


Sounds like a .22LR...


Yes it will be my next Off Duty gun.... .


WHY???

AGNTSA
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:53:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By GC456:


Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance



Sounds like you need training. Stop trying to buy gadgets to make up for inadequate skills.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:55:40 AM EST
What's the differance between the Gov't and Civilian model?

Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:55:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ridge:
Tumbling ain't that special.


Now if it tumbled around inside your body like a pinball, that might be something.


edited to add: Is today Groundhog day?



it does tumble in your body, isn't that something.

J
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:59:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Aim4MyHead:

Originally Posted By Ridge:
Tumbling ain't that special.


Now if it tumbled around inside your body like a pinball, that might be something.


edited to add: Is today Groundhog day?



it does tumble in your body, isn't that something.

J



Well yes, a little better than going straight through.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:00:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:07:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ridge:
Tumbling ain't that special.


Now if it tumbled around inside your body like a pinball, that might be something.


edited to add: Is today Groundhog day?



That's what a .22 does inside your head when you get shot! I can't fathom how the people that tell me that believe that crap.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:11:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
I didn't like it.

Slide drop is tight as hell and hard to access.



You USE the slide drop, why, just do it like the Michigan State Police and reach over top and pull back on the slide and let it go. That works for ALL semi-auto and won't ware out your slide stop.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:12:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheWind:
Ammo was $7 for 50, supoposed to be like a 5.56, tumbles inside,If I carry it for 6 monts I can take it off my taxes. Have to see how the mags go onthe 14th.


Please post a link to this source for 7$ boxes of 5.7x28 ammo, the best I can do is 17$/box, and I thought that was quite good...
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:18:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Forest:
Sounds like a .22LR...



Are you sure about that. IMO, I'd have thought that it would be loud as hell, kind of like 7.62 *25. Or, did you mean that the original poster was talking about it like it was a .22 LR instead of the 5.7 round?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:07:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:20:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By TNFrank:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
I didn't like it.

Slide drop is tight as hell and hard to access.



You USE the slide drop, why, just do it like the Michigan State Police and reach over top and pull back on the slide and let it go. That works for ALL semi-auto and won't ware out your slide stop.



Too slow.



TOO SLOW, have you tried it. All ya' do is after you seat the mag reach around and tug on the slide. You don't grab it like you would when you chamber a round, you grab it with your thumb back toward you. I wish I had a pic, I'll google it and see if I can post one. The neat thing is that it works for all semis, no need to learn where the slide stop is on each and every pistol.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:23:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By gaspain:
you must have been using the training ammo. As the real ammo costs upwards of a buck each, they are AP I believe too.



Civies can't buy the AP ammo correct?

Jerad
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:31:08 PM EST
www.selfdefenseforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-781.html

Here's a link to another forum that talks about what I'm trying to say. You don't release the slide with the "sling shot" grip, you use an over hand grip, it's fast and easy to just reach up and over the slide after you seat the mag and pull it back a bit so it'll release. That way you won't ware out your slide stop and the technique will work with ALL semi autos, reguardless of type. This is just a very K.I.S.S. way of releasing the slide, that's why I like it.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:36:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:55:26 PM EST
Ahh, but try that with a gun that has NO slide release or where the slide release is in a different spot. This technique works for all semi autos.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 1:01:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By GC456:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By TheWind:
Well I was at a range yesterday and got to run 100 rounds through an FN 5.7..... SWEET!
It shot so flat and no recoil.... at 25 yds I chewed the face out of the target.
Yes it will be my next Off Duty gun.... hopefully... they will make at lest 15 round magazines for it come Sept. 14.



Everything shoots flat at 25 yards.




Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance



OH BULLSHIT

+1
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 1:09:37 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 1:11:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 1:27:27 PM EST
I shoot .45 230grain hardball and hollowpoints through my Less Baer. The bullet hits right above my front sight out to 50 yards. When running the stress course shooting 6" plates at 50, or shooting the mover at 50, I didn't have to aim up at all. Even shooting the gong at 100 yards was not a problem, though it was 12" instead of 6.

I thought I would, but I just ended up shooting over the top of the target. Putting it right in COM yielded good COM hits when I did my part.

I have fired my .45 auto out to probably 125 yards, and even at that distance I didn't need much hold-over to get the job done. All I needed to do was aim slightly higher than COM for a good hit.

If you can't hit poppers at 25 with a normal sight picture, then your sights are way off.

Frankly, I would much rather have a 230 grain bullet smashing stuff from point blank out to 100 yards if we are talking about handguns. Even at that distance the round has enough energy to at least get their attention.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 8:19:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By GC456:


Not a .45

Try hitting a pepper popper at theat distance



Sounds like you need training. Stop trying to buy gadgets to make up for inadequate skills.




Do you even know what a pepper popper is? Besides I didn't buy them, they where on the IPSC course
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 8:22:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Funny GC, Ive shot a hell of a lot of .45 and I dont have to hold any differently at 25yds. You're lucky if the drop is 2" at that range.



Hmm now that I think about it..... I was using our special reloads that were powered down a little for IPSC. Oh well
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 8:53:55 PM EST
I would like to get one to screw around with, and shoot coyotes with.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 4:54:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheWind:
Ammo was $7 for 50, supoposed to be like a 5.56, tumbles inside,If I carry it for 6 monts I can take it off my taxes. Have to see how the mags go onthe 14th.



I believe we are all waiting to hear where the ammo is $7.00 a 50.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 5:06:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By mjrowley:

Originally Posted By TheWind:
Ammo was $7 for 50, supoposed to be like a 5.56, tumbles inside,If I carry it for 6 monts I can take it off my taxes. Have to see how the mags go onthe 14th.



I believe we are all waiting to hear where the ammo is $7.00 a 50.



Yes indeed.

Link Posted: 8/28/2004 5:31:50 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:14:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 10:16:40 AM EST by TheWind]
I do have a cute smile, maybe I got the cute old guy discount. I was at a range off exit 20 on 295 in NJ. Have to go to the store to get it, no internet sales. I think it is Eagle Eye or something. Thjey do lots of LEO business, 25 YD Indooor Range, and lotsof evil black guns. They handle departmental and retired qualifications.
As for off duty... the operative word is taxes. If I buy it work related...it is a deduction, I have seen guys get a $ 4000 total deduction off their IRS.
I use a Glock to qualify with and my ParaOrdance to carry.....
As for the 57, it was designed as a PDW for the military, it was first in the P90, then a department sales only of the 57 pistol. They have released a 57 for sale to individual LEOs, but onmly with a 10 round magazine.
As for slide release present training is to use the hand over pull back..... the reason is a more positive release, especially in stress situations.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 1:36:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheWind:
I do have a cute smile, maybe I got the cute old guy discount. I was at a range off exit 20 on 295 in NJ. Have to go to the store to get it, no internet sales. I think it is Eagle Eye or something. Thjey do lots of LEO business, 25 YD Indooor Range, and lotsof evil black guns. They handle departmental and retired qualifications.
As for off duty... the operative word is taxes. If I buy it work related...it is a deduction, I have seen guys get a $ 4000 total deduction off their IRS.
I use a Glock to qualify with and my ParaOrdance to carry.....
As for the 57, it was designed as a PDW for the military, it was first in the P90, then a department sales only of the 57 pistol. They have released a 57 for sale to individual LEOs, but onmly with a 10 round magazine.
As for slide release present training is to use the hand over pull back..... the reason is a more positive release, especially in stress situations.



So that's the "proper" name for it. All I know is that I like that technique because it works with each and every semi no matter where the slide release is located and it doesn't ware on the release. Once you practice it a bit it's every bit as fast as using the slide release too.
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