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Posted: 12/11/2013 7:29:17 AM EDT
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Classic city offers it from their website. If a real business is offering it then I'm guessing they have researched it. I am probably going to order some from them shortly so we will see how it goes. I don't think the SAFE act website has any info on it either. What a bunch of BS btw
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Posted: 12/11/2013 8:44:39 AM EDT
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No.
The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 8:59:46 AM EDT
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No. The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. Is this law or opinion? |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 9:06:27 AM EDT
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IIRC, it's teh law. SAFE made no provisions for rebuild kits.
However, you can send a regular mag to a NY FFL, just like you can send a normal AR. Only exalted ones however, can take possesion form teh FFL. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 9:14:14 AM EDT
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No. The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. Where does the law ban magazine parts, because the body is one of the parts. A stripped body can not function as a magazine. Is there a definition of what constitutes a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds because a stripped mag body can not hold any rounds without a floor plate and if you don't have a spring in a ten round mag it can hold more than 10, so how exactly does the law define magazine and 10 round magazine. Most likely it doesn't define any of this. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 9:14:37 AM EDT
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Yea, I was wondering the same thing. Can get some great deals on pmags around, but only the evil scary variety. Was going to get some blocks from magazineblocks.com to reduce them to 10 rounds.
I know at least one vendor that will ship them as rebuild kits. But I'm nervous about the time between them being shipped, and me modding them to 10 rounds. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 9:43:08 AM EDT
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No. The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. Is this law or opinion? It's widely held opinion. There is no case law. It doesn't exist. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 9:49:00 AM EDT
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It's widely held opinion. There is no case law. It doesn't exist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. Is this law or opinion? It's widely held opinion. There is no case law. It doesn't exist. So basically there is no law or rule preventing someone from disassembling a magazine, selling it a rebuild kit, and shipping it to NY. What the end user does with it is what they do with it. Am I correct here? |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 9:54:01 AM EDT
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Where does the law ban magazine parts, because the body is one of the parts. A stripped body can not function as a magazine. Is there a definition of what constitutes a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds because a stripped mag body can not hold any rounds without a floor plate and if you don't have a spring in a ten round mag it can hold more than 10, so how exactly does the law define magazine and 10 round magazine. Most likely it doesn't define any of this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. Where does the law ban magazine parts, because the body is one of the parts. A stripped body can not function as a magazine. Is there a definition of what constitutes a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds because a stripped mag body can not hold any rounds without a floor plate and if you don't have a spring in a ten round mag it can hold more than 10, so how exactly does the law define magazine and 10 round magazine. Most likely it doesn't define any of this. Of course it doesn't define any of that. Penal Law § 265.36: Makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly possess a “greater than ten” magazine manufactured before 9/13/1994, if owned before 1/15/2013. • Penal Law § 265.37: Makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly possess an “ammunition feeding device” that was possessed before 1/15/2013 if it has a capacity of “more than seven but less than ten” if loaded with more than seven. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 10:11:03 AM EDT
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So basically there is no law or rule preventing someone from disassembling a magazine, selling it a rebuild kit, and shipping it to NY. What the end user does with it is what they do with it. Am I correct here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. Is this law or opinion? It's widely held opinion. There is no case law. It doesn't exist. So basically there is no law or rule preventing someone from disassembling a magazine, selling it a rebuild kit, and shipping it to NY. What the end user does with it is what they do with it. Am I correct here? There have been many debates here about what, if anything, could happen to an out of state private seller. It's unclear at best, and totally dependent on how far a NY DA is willing to go. Conspiracy to " - - - " is what's been thrown around. The law is intentionally vague. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 10:15:53 AM EDT
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Of course it doesn't define any of that. Penal Law § 265.36: Makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly possess a “greater than ten” magazine manufactured before 9/13/1994, if owned before 1/15/2013. • Penal Law § 265.37: Makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly possess an “ammunition feeding device” that was possessed before 1/15/2013 if it has a capacity of “more than seven but less than ten” if loaded with more than seven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. Where does the law ban magazine parts, because the body is one of the parts. A stripped body can not function as a magazine. Is there a definition of what constitutes a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds because a stripped mag body can not hold any rounds without a floor plate and if you don't have a spring in a ten round mag it can hold more than 10, so how exactly does the law define magazine and 10 round magazine. Most likely it doesn't define any of this. Of course it doesn't define any of that. Penal Law § 265.36: Makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly possess a “greater than ten” magazine manufactured before 9/13/1994, if owned before 1/15/2013. • Penal Law § 265.37: Makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly possess an “ammunition feeding device” that was possessed before 1/15/2013 if it has a capacity of “more than seven but less than ten” if loaded with more than seven. unless there is a clause that says "readily convertible" or something similar, it sounds like a 30 round mag blocked to 10 or 7 would be legal even if the block was removable with tools. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 10:22:54 AM EDT
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No. The body of the mag, is the mag. Assembled, disassembled, doesn't matter. The person receiving it is breaking the law. Where does the law ban magazine parts, because the body is one of the parts. A stripped body can not function as a magazine. Is there a definition of what constitutes a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds because a stripped mag body can not hold any rounds without a floor plate and if you don't have a spring in a ten round mag it can hold more than 10, so how exactly does the law define magazine and 10 round magazine. Most likely it doesn't define any of this. Of course it doesn't define any of that. Penal Law § 265.36: Makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly possess a “greater than ten” magazine manufactured before 9/13/1994, if owned before 1/15/2013. • Penal Law § 265.37: Makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly possess an “ammunition feeding device” that was possessed before 1/15/2013 if it has a capacity of “more than seven but less than ten” if loaded with more than seven. unless there is a clause that says "readily convertible" or something similar, it sounds like a 30 round mag blocked to 10 or 7 would be legal even if the block was removable with tools. http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-owners Q: How does the SAFE Act impact magazines? A: Since 1994, magazines sold in New York could contain up to 10 rounds. This continues to be true today. You may buy, sell, and possess any magazine that can hold up to 10 rounds, regardless of when it was manufactured. If you have a magazine that can contain more than 10 rounds, you have until January 15, 2014 to permanently modify the magazine so that it holds no more than ten rounds, responsibly discard it, or sell it to a dealer or an out of state purchaser Eta Now define permanent. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 10:27:56 AM EDT
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I suppose if I possess all the parts needed to manufacture a magazine that can only hold 10 rounds, that it just might possibly be not illegal enough to do.
If assembled properly. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:48:36 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that the CA AG has specifically said that mag parts can be sent into the state for rebuild kits...and yet earlier this year San Francisco took it upon themselves to civilly sue several vendors for shipping disassembled mags as "rebuild kits" because they "knew or should have known" that the recipients would build them as illegal hi cap mags.
I realize you're asking about NY, but what's to stop an NY city from doing the same? |
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