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Posted: 4/18/2007 9:28:37 AM EDT
Yes, the Navy is still using the M14.  



070417-N-2659P-063 ARABIAN SEA (April 17, 2007) - Lt. Jason Parmley, assigned to weapons department, fires an M-14 rifle during a live-fire exercise on the flight deck of Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74). John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group is on a scheduled deployment in support of Maritime Security Operations (MSO). U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Paul J. Perkins (RELEASED)
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 9:30:01 AM EDT
[#1]
Shortest lived service rifle!

Too heavy!

Not ergonomic enough!

Hard to maintain!



(I do so love the M14 platform!)
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 9:33:45 AM EDT
[#2]
Happy switch=
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 9:34:39 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Shortest lived service rifle!

Too heavy!

Not ergonomic enough!

Hard to maintain!



(I do so love the M14 platform!)


+1

 I love my AR-15 for punching holes in paper but if I had meaningful targets I would reach for the M1A or an M1 Garand.  
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:00:43 AM EDT
[#4]
I loved to shoot those off the fantail with happy switch on happy mode we only had 15 round mags though.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:12:44 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Shortest lived service rifle!

Too heavy!

Not ergonomic enough!

Hard to maintain!



(I do so love the M14 platform!)


Have people actually argued that????

As much as I love my AR, the M1A is easier to disassemble and doesn't have all the tiny pieces-parts that the AR has.  I mean, who here hasn't lost the cotter pin while field-stripping an AR in the "field."  Hell, I keep plenty of spares handy just because I sometimes lose them at home.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:17:47 AM EDT
[#6]
Oooh. It's got the giggle switch.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:24:56 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Shortest lived service rifle!

Too heavy!

Not ergonomic enough!

Hard to maintain!



(I do so love the M14 platform!)


Have people actually argued that????

As much as I love my AR, the M1A is easier to disassemble and doesn't have all the tiny pieces-parts that the AR has.  I mean, who here hasn't lost the cotter pin while field-stripping an AR in the "field."  Hell, I keep plenty of spares handy just because I sometimes lose them at home.


I've heard that since I first bought my M1a because there aren't as many gewgaws to hang on an M1a as there are the AR* and because things like swapping out the barrel aren't as easy as the AR. Maybe I should have said "harder to upgrade" or something like that.

*of course I learned there are TONS of things you can slap on an M1a yourself (I've upgraded the bolt stops and installed new target sights and unitized gas cylinders on mine) ... and if you get a SAGE stock you also can slap on all of the same things they put on ARs...
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:36:10 AM EDT
[#8]
The M14 is perfect for ship defence.

Image a small boat comming up to your ship to plant a mine.  Would you feel adequate plinking it with 5.56x45 (.223) or punching it with 7.62x51 (.308)?
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:39:39 AM EDT
[#9]
Cool pic! I supposed it's still used for line launching also.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:42:11 AM EDT
[#10]

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The M14 is perfect for ship defence.

Image a small boat comming up to your ship to plant a mine.  Would you feel adequate plinking it with 5.56x45 (.223) or punching it with 7.62x51 (.308)?


I'd much rather have a 25mm.  But I make do with a 240B

kachunk kacunk kachunk kachunk followed shortly by giggles

ETA upon further thought into the subject, I'd actually much rather have a cheese-whiz (CIWS) of whatever the most recent block is.   Whaaaaaaaaaaaa

And to get back on topic, the -16 may be lighter and easier to carry more ammo for (ammo is life after all)  but to me, the -14 seems more like a shooters rifle to me
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:46:03 AM EDT
[#11]

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[As much as I love my AR, the M1A is easier to disassemble and doesn't have all the tiny pieces-parts that the AR has.  I mean, who here hasn't lost the cotter pin while field-stripping an AR in the "field."  Hell, I keep plenty of spares handy just because I sometimes lose them at home.



I managed to go an entire combat tour in Afghanistan without losing a cotter pin or any other parts.

I would always put the small parts in my hat while I was cleaning my rifle.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:50:42 AM EDT
[#12]
What is the difference between the M14 and M1A - the happy switch?
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:53:54 AM EDT
[#13]
Ah yes, I loved the M14 shoots on my ship (CVN 68, USS NIMITZ). We gave our watch standers a choice on whether they fired the M16 or M14. We didn't have a huge crowd for the M14. All the Gunner's Mates and Aviation Ordnancemen had to qualify on it since we used it for line throwing and they supplemented our M2HBs if we were to have a target get within our T&E cut outs. In Sigonella we had 2 M14s and roughly 80 M16s and we were alloted the same amount of ammo every year for the M14s that we were for the M16s. Needless to say, the M14s were used as range toys and the happy switch was used often
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:54:20 AM EDT
[#14]

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What is the difference between the M14 and M1A - the happy switch?

"M1A" is Springfield Armory's trademarked name for civvie M14 rifles.  And yes, you won't find an M1A with a happy switch.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:55:20 AM EDT
[#15]

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Ah yes, I loved the M14 shoots on my ship (CVN 68, USS NIMITZ). We gave our watch standers a choice on whether they fired the M16 or M14. We didn't have a huge crowd for the M14. All the Gunner's Mates and Aviation Ordnancemen had to qualify on it since we used it for line throwing and they supplemented our M2HBs if we were to have a target get within our T&E cut outs. In Sigonella we had 2 M14s and roughly 80 M16s and we were alloted the same amount of ammo every year for the M14s that we were for the M16s. Needless to say, the M14s were used as range toys and the happy switch was used often


LUCKYYYYYY !
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 11:58:40 AM EDT
[#16]
I could have sworn that I just watched a documentary about the USS Stennis.  It seems that is was scrapped and sunk off of the west coast of FL to be used as a artificial reef and really neat dive site.  

They must have raised it for the shoot.

EDIT:  Nevermind...it was the Oriskany that I was thinking of.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:05:43 PM EDT
[#17]

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All the Gunner's Mates and Aviation Ordnancemen had to qualify on it since we used it for line throwing and they supplemented our M2HBs if we were to have a target get within our T&E cut outs.


I've heard that you guys have somebody hold the spool of shot line while another shoots.  Any truth to that?  Or is it like the Mk 87 LTAK for the -16's with a clamp on canister?  I'll stick to the SLTG and a 15oz personally
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:08:56 PM EDT
[#18]

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I've heard that you guys have somebody hold the spool of shot line while another shoots.  Any truth to that?  Or is it like the Mk 87 LTAK for the -16's with a clamp on canister?  I'll stick to the SLTG and a 15oz personally


Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:09:47 PM EDT
[#19]

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What is the difference between the M14 and M1A - the happy switch?

"M1A" is Springfield Armory's trademarked name for civvie M14 rifles.  And yes, you won't find an M1A with a happy switch.



Yup.  In fact, many M1A's up until recently used GI parts.




-K
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:14:03 PM EDT
[#20]

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I've heard that you guys have somebody hold the spool of shot line while another shoots.  Any truth to that?  Or is it like the Mk 87 LTAK for the -16's with a clamp on canister?  I'll stick to the SLTG and a 15oz personally


www.fototime.com/E13DEE14408ED30/orig.jpg


Awesome pic.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.  You Navy folks sure do stuff different
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:17:31 PM EDT
[#21]
There is a decent looking female soldier here in Iraq who carries one around.  For the life of me I cant figure out why.  As far as I knew, only combat arms support that weapon.  

Anyways, I'm looking into getting one when I get home, especially now that I'm spending an extra three months here.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:18:18 PM EDT
[#22]
An MP got her hands on one maybe?
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:20:43 PM EDT
[#23]

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I loved to shoot those off the fantail with happy switch on happy mode we only had 15 round mags though.

No, you had 20 round mags, but the damn GMs would only allow them to be loaded to 15.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:20:55 PM EDT
[#24]

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An MP got her hands on one maybe?


I'm an MP and have never seen this in the MP corps.  Btw, she wasn't one anyways.  It was very hard not to stare!
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:23:12 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The M14 is perfect for ship defence.

Image a small boat comming up to your ship to plant a mine.  Would you feel adequate plinking it with 5.56x45 (.223) or punching it with 7.62x51 (.308)?


I'd much rather have a 25mm.  But I make do with a 240B

kachunk kacunk kachunk kachunk followed shortly by giggles

ETA upon further thought into the subject, I'd actually much rather have a cheese-whiz (CIWS) of whatever the most recent block is.   Whaaaaaaaaaaaa

And to get back on topic, the -16 may be lighter and easier to carry more ammo for (ammo is life after all)  but to me, the -14 seems more like a shooters rifle to me

My preference in order:
5" 54 caliber
76mm 62 caliber
20mm CIWS Block 1B
25mm
.50cal
7.62mm belt-fed. M60/M240
40mm Mk19 Mod 3
7.62mm rifle
anything I had on hand
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:23:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Yeah, I've never seen one either but I'm just guard MP but thats the closest I could think of to warfighter units with women.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:28:34 PM EDT
[#27]

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What is the difference between the M14 and M1A - the happy switch?


Mostly.  The M14 is a forged receiver built for the military, the M1A is a cast receiver made for Springfield Armory, Inc.  There's at least one company making new forged receivers for the M14 and selling them to the military.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:29:57 PM EDT
[#28]

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I could have sworn that I just watched a documentary about the USS Stennis.  It seems that is was scrapped and sunk off of the west coast of FL to be used as a artificial reef and really neat dive site.  

They must have raised it for the shoot.

EDIT:  Nevermind...it was the Oriskany that I was thinking of.


We haven't scrapped any of the CVNs yet, not even the "Mobile Chernobyl" (aka: USS Enterprise).
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 12:30:01 PM EDT
[#29]

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snip

My preference in order:
5" 54 caliber
76mm 62 caliber
20mm CIWS Block 1B
25mm
.50cal
7.62mm belt-fed. M60/M240
40mm Mk19 Mod 3
7.62mm rifle
anything I had on hand


All followed by giggles and a shit eating grin of course

We have a -14 for a match/morale rifle at one of the local units.  Checked it out for a weekend a few months ago to shoot in a local competition, and then dragged it up (and what was left of my wallet after buying ammo) to a Houston Crew shoot.  Happy switch welded though  Saw one in a big armory (and some videos floating around the 'net) with a short barrel, Sage stock, and a bunch of other goodies.  Happy switch not welded  Any clue what it is?  Does it have an official designation, or are they Crane-specials?
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 2:33:21 PM EDT
[#30]

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I loved to shoot those off the fantail with happy switch on happy mode we only had 15 round mags though.

No, you had 20 round mags, but the damn GMs would only allow them to be loaded to 15.


I never understood why some commands did this. My CWO2 on the Nimitz (a Torpedoman BTW) swore that a full mag wore out the spring. We were only allowed to load the M16 mags to 20 even though the M14 mags were loaded to full capacity. Dude was a flippin retard. It didn't matter how much I told him that it wasn't true, "Well shipmate, I think it wears down the spring so we're only going to load them to 20." Have I ever mentioned I'm not a big fan of Torpedoman's Mates?
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 2:41:41 PM EDT
[#31]

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I loved to shoot those off the fantail with happy switch on happy mode we only had 15 round mags though.

No, you had 20 round mags, but the damn GMs would only allow them to be loaded to 15.


I never understood why some commands did this. My CWO2 on the Nimitz (a Torpedoman BTW) swore that a full mag wore out the spring. We were only allowed to load the M16 mags to 20 even though the M14 mags were loaded to full capacity. Dude was a flippin retard. It didn't matter how much I told him that it wasn't true, "Well shipmate, I think it wears down the spring so we're only going to load them to 20." Have I ever mentioned I'm not a big fan of Torpedoman's Mates?

GM's are just as bad. It won't matter in about a year anyway. GMs and TMs will become one rate: GM.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 2:42:30 PM EDT
[#32]

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Saw one in a big armory (and some videos floating around the 'net) with a short barrel, Sage stock, and a bunch of other goodies.  Happy switch not welded  Any clue what it is?  Does it have an official designation, or are they Crane-specials?

No clue my shallow water friend.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 2:55:33 PM EDT
[#33]

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GM's are just as bad. It won't matter in about a year anyway. GMs and TMs will become one rate: GM.


Even on u-boats?

Deck guns!
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 2:58:57 PM EDT
[#34]
What ammo they using?  Delinked M240 ammo?
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 3:08:13 PM EDT
[#35]

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The M14 is perfect for ship defence.

Image a small boat comming up to your ship to plant a mine.  Would you feel adequate plinking it with 5.56x45 (.223) or punching it with 7.62x51 (.308)?


To hell with both of them.

Link Posted: 4/18/2007 3:45:45 PM EDT
[#36]

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I loved to shoot those off the fantail with happy switch on happy mode we only had 15 round mags though.

No, you had 20 round mags, but the damn GMs would only allow them to be loaded to 15.


I never understood why some commands did this. My CWO2 on the Nimitz (a Torpedoman BTW) swore that a full mag wore out the spring. We were only allowed to load the M16 mags to 20 even though the M14 mags were loaded to full capacity. Dude was a flippin retard. It didn't matter how much I told him that it wasn't true, "Well shipmate, I think it wears down the spring so we're only going to load them to 20." Have I ever mentioned I'm not a big fan of Torpedoman's Mates?

GM's are just as bad. It won't matter in about a year anyway. GMs and TMs will become one rate: GM.



Oh I know, and it crushes my tiny little black heart. Atleast the one TM in my unit now isn't a complete douche bag.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 3:47:18 PM EDT
[#37]

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GM's are just as bad. It won't matter in about a year anyway. GMs and TMs will become one rate: GM.


Even on u-boats?

Deck guns!

TMs (subs) already merged with MM(conventional subs). Keep up.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 3:48:20 PM EDT
[#38]

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What ammo they using?  Delinked M240 ammo?

No. They still make 7.62x51 on 5 round stripper clips. I can't remember the NALC for the life of me, but I've ordered plenty.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 5:28:34 PM EDT
[#39]

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What ammo they using?  Delinked M240 ammo?

No. They still make 7.62x51 on 5 round stripper clips. I can't remember the NALC for the life of me, but I've ordered plenty.


Good deal.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 5:44:45 PM EDT
[#40]

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What ammo they using?  Delinked M240 ammo?

No. They still make 7.62x51 on 5 round stripper clips. I can't remember the NALC for the life of me, but I've ordered plenty.


Good deal.

IIRC and with a little searching I think one is A130 and the other is A131. One is belted and the other is not.

Although, we used to de-link tracers to use to mark targets with the M14s.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 5:52:27 PM EDT
[#41]

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What ammo they using?  Delinked M240 ammo?

No. They still make 7.62x51 on 5 round stripper clips. I can't remember the NALC for the life of me, but I've ordered plenty.


Good deal.

IIRC and with a little searching I think one is A130 and the other is A131. One is belted and the other is not.

Although, we used to de-link tracers to use to mark targets with the M14s.


LC, I presume is making it?
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 6:28:45 PM EDT
[#42]

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What is the difference between the M14 and M1A - the happy switch?

"M1A" is Springfield Armory's trademarked name for civvie M14 rifles.  And yes, you won't find an M1A with a happy switch.


In fact, you will. Before May of 1986, it was perfectly legal to convert an M1A to select fire. How many were actually converted, I don't know but they are out there.  Our own member and noted M14 expert "Different" has a transferable select fire Springfield Armory M1A.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 6:31:08 PM EDT
[#43]

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What ammo they using?  Delinked M240 ammo?

No. They still make 7.62x51 on 5 round stripper clips. I can't remember the NALC for the life of me, but I've ordered plenty.


Good deal.

IIRC and with a little searching I think one is A130 and the other is A131. One is belted and the other is not.

Although, we used to de-link tracers to use to mark targets with the M14s.


LC, I presume is making it?

Now you're asking waay to much of my poor memory.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 6:39:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Go NAVY!

Link Posted: 4/18/2007 6:43:15 PM EDT
[#45]
"soooo hot.....want to touch the hiney"
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 6:47:36 PM EDT
[#46]

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Go NAVY!



+1

** I heard the Navy not only has all their original issue M-14s but also has never surplused their M1 Garands. Think about it. Every M1 Garand  that was carried by a Marine is still in storage somewhere. ** This is only a rumor, but has anyone ever seen an M1 garand come throught the ODCMP with U.S. Marine/Navy  markings ?
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 6:48:46 PM EDT
[#47]

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What ammo they using?  Delinked M240 ammo?

No. They still make 7.62x51 on 5 round stripper clips. I can't remember the NALC for the life of me, but I've ordered plenty.


Good deal.

IIRC and with a little searching I think one is A130 and the other is A131. One is belted and the other is not.

Although, we used to de-link tracers to use to mark targets with the M14s.


LC, I presume is making it?

Now you're asking waay to much of my poor memory.




Link Posted: 4/18/2007 6:53:05 PM EDT
[#48]

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What is the difference between the M14 and M1A - the happy switch?

"M1A" is Springfield Armory's trademarked name for civvie M14 rifles.  And yes, you won't find an M1A with a happy switch.


In fact, you will. Before May of 1986, it was perfectly legal to convert an M1A to select fire. How many were actually converted, I don't know but they are out there.  Our own member and noted M14 expert "Different" has a transferable select fire Springfield Armory M1A.

I stand corrected.  
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 7:00:00 PM EDT
[#49]
I almost cried when I sold my M1A NM

M14 or a M1A  Hell Yes!
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 9:02:52 PM EDT
[#50]

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What ammo they using?  Delinked M240 ammo?

No. They still make 7.62x51 on 5 round stripper clips. I can't remember the NALC for the life of me, but I've ordered plenty.


Good deal.

IIRC and with a little searching I think one is A130 and the other is A131. One is belted and the other is not.

Although, we used to de-link tracers to use to mark targets with the M14s.


A131 is linked, A130 is not.
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