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Posted: 4/17/2017 9:05:47 PM EST
It is truly unbelievable what is happening in Europe today in regard to their Muslim crisis. In England and Germany you can be thrown in JAIL for criticizing the governments immigration policies, the Muslim invasion, or Islam in GENERAL. (Can you imagine if people in the US were thrown in jail who criticized Christianity?)

The exact same freedoms we thought we were dying on their soil for 70 years ago, are almost dead now. If Adolf had known he just need to wear a bath towel instead of Hugo-boss they would have been a lot more successful.

If your blood pressure is to low, this compilation of Tommy Robinson videos is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwu7k0M7w48
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 9:09:17 PM EST
USA has had 70+ years of being on top of the world due to the blood shed by American patriots in WWII.

It is a pity that the grandchildren of those patriots are slowly throwing it all away for leftist theories that don't work.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 9:10:45 PM EST
The warrior blood of Europe has been drained and diluted over the last 100 years by 2 world wars.  The true warriors were mostly killed in battle, or exterminated.  Thus, the beta class of male was the primary breeder for the last 50+ years.  Result:  Wimp City.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 9:14:20 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/17/2017 9:18:42 PM EST
OP nails it.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 9:33:50 PM EST
Basically we helped mass murdering oppressive lunatic A beat mass-murdering oppressive lunatic B, only to have lunatic A turn on us and control half of Europe under the curtain of communism for 50 years.

At least we got the japs back for Pearl Harbor, though.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 9:46:09 PM EST
Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it, those that remember history are doomed to watch others repeat it (or some such)
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 10:37:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By yagotme:
The warrior blood of Europe has been drained and diluted over the last 100 years by 2 world wars.  The true warriors were mostly killed in battle, or exterminated.  Thus, the beta class of male was the primary breeder for the last 50+ years.  Result:  Wimp City.
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I'm not sure this holds up to close examination as the sole, or even a major, cause.
Europe has been at war with itself pretty much since the beginning of time. Many of those wars were incredibly destructive, with huge loss of life relative to the population and a devastated infrastructure, yet a generation later (or even less), they were right back at it with equal or greater fervor.
I postulate that there's more going on here than simply high casualties, and I believe the real cause is communism / socialism destroying the fabric of society. The end result is the same as you note above (beta males breed), but I think it has a different cause.

More historically literate folks, please correct me where I err.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 10:40:30 PM EST
The United States did a great deal to end the war sooner and rebuild the world after the war. Not a waste, it was an historic transformation of the world, and for the better.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 10:48:35 PM EST
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So, OP, how long do you think the 'results' of a war last?

5 years?
10? 50? 100? 200? 1000?

How do you think the US would have faired since 1945 if Germany controlled Europe and Japan controlled the Pacific rim? 
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 10:51:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stevem1a:
USA has had 70+ years of being on top of the world being under Socialist/Communist nuclear holocaust and the undermining of American culture due to the blood shed by American patriots in WWII.

It is a pity that the grandchildren of those patriots are slowly throwing it all away for leftist theories that don't work.
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Fixed that for you.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 10:52:39 PM EST
France gave us a great gift, they assisted us in getting our Freedom.


When the time came to return the favor, 450,000 Americans paid in blood for the sake of liberty, freedom, and self determination.

What we did was right, and it was just. What they chose to do with their second chance is on them. At least it was their decision, and not the decision of a tyrant.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 10:53:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FlyingBengal:
At least we got the japs back for Pearl Harbor, though.
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Nuking a punch of peasants didn't get anyone back for anything, nor did killing a bunch of ISIS-like assholes looking for a reason to die in battle.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 10:59:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TXHillCountry:


Nuking a punch of peasants didn't get anyone back for anything, nor did killing a bunch of ISIS-like assholes looking for a reason to die in battle.
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Well, we stripped the emperor that started all the nonsense in the Pacific of his 'god' status with a couple of nukes, so that counts for something.
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 11:00:59 PM EST
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WWI was a bigger waste by any stretch of the imagination.

WWII is really just WWI part deux, and a result of the mistakes made in WWI

Chief among them are: the Germans exporting Lenin to Destabilize the Tsar... ooops
French and British dismembering the Sorta-Secular Ottomans and drawing up countries with no regard to anything that would create a stable region.
Japanese, Italians, Turks and Germans getting hosed at Versailles
Link Posted: 4/17/2017 11:06:52 PM EST
Before we got into the fight:

The Empire of Japan was swallowing the Far East
The UK was in seriously bad shape.
Had Hitler been able to concentrate on the Russians (as opposed to dividing his resources between two fronts), that would've turned out much differently.
Hitler probably would've gotten nukes, and used them on London, Moscow, etc

And (eventually, possibly) New York, Washington DC, etc


Without American blood and treasure, the outcome of the war would've been much different. For all participants.
We literally saved the world
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 12:48:38 AM EST
The blood of WWII was not wasted! The rest of the free world and the U.S are still benefiting, but were coasting and coming towards a problem (more with socialism), but also Islam.  

The main lesson is to finish things the first time.  Patton, MacArthur etc. were right. We should have taken care of Soviet Union. We should have intervened and prevented communist China. Barring that, we should have taken care of Korea. However, we were rebuilding the world and the world was transformed for the better very quickly. Much more wealthy with a better quality of life than before.  This lead to people being complacent, subsequent generations being spoiled, and providing the rich fertile ground for the socialism to flourish (it was already here).
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 12:54:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Danner130:
The United States did a great deal to end the war sooner and rebuild the world after the war. Not a waste, it was an historic transformation of the world, and for the better.
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Unless you child or father or husband died. And why, so we can now defend one group of socialist from a different group of socialists?
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 1:00:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TXHillCountry:


Nuking a punch of peasants didn't get anyone back for anything, nor did killing a bunch of ISIS-like assholes looking for a reason to die in battle.
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Link Posted: 4/18/2017 1:06:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bland85:
WWI was a bigger waste by any stretch of the imagination.

WWII is really just WWI part deux, and a result of the mistakes made in WWI

Chief among them are: the Germans exporting Lenin to Destabilize the Tsar... ooops
French and British dismembering the Sorta-Secular Ottomans and drawing up countries with no regard to anything that would create a stable region.
Japanese, Italians, Turks and Germans getting hosed at Versailles
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Say what? I mean, the Italians didn't get what they wanted, but I wouldn't call it hosed. And Japan did pretty well out of it. And the Turks were not involved with the Treaty of Versailles.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 1:11:24 AM EST
Hitler did know and he openly lamented that the west was Christian and not Islamic. He had to wage war within the confines of a Christian Europe and Germany and in his twisted mind I'm sure he thought that it probably cost him the war the vile bastard.

Just wait OP, you aint seen nothing yet.

Turkey just gave its President complete power. He can disolve the Parliment if he so chooses. Wiping out a century of diplomacy and secular democratic rule. They won't be sitting out the next one like WWII. Count on it.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:


Say what? I mean, the Italians didn't get what they wanted, but I wouldn't call it hosed. And Japan did pretty well out of it. And the Turks were not involved with the Treaty of Versailles.
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Well I rolled the Turkish dismemberment into the Versailles thing, it was Sevres that did that.

Japan wasn't hosed, but the Shandong Problem contributed to WW2, and the Washington Naval Treaty gave 'em a good screwing (in their view, despite likely not being able to produce 1:1 with the Brits or the US)

Italy getting snubbed directly led to Mussolini and the alliance with Germany for Round 2.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 1:26:38 AM EST
No, it wasn't a waste... What was a waste is that after WWII we had the World in our hands and totally fucked it up, I'm not saying we should have attacked the Soviet Union/Russia... But, damn, the Allies freed the fuck out of Europe and we let other Countries fall under the control of the same thing the Allies fought against. We should have armed the Germans, armed the Japanese, and fucked up anyone who didn't want to play nice. of course, I'm slightly drunk, so.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 1:31:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bland85:
Well I rolled the Turkish dismemberment into the Versailles thing, it was Sevres that did that.

Japan wasn't hosed, but the Shandong Problem contributed to WW2, and the Washington Naval Treaty gave 'em a good screwing (in their view, despite likely not being able to produce 1:1 with the Brits or the US)

Italy getting snubbed directly led to Mussolini and the alliance with Germany for Round 2.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:


Say what? I mean, the Italians didn't get what they wanted, but I wouldn't call it hosed. And Japan did pretty well out of it. And the Turks were not involved with the Treaty of Versailles.
Well I rolled the Turkish dismemberment into the Versailles thing, it was Sevres that did that.

Japan wasn't hosed, but the Shandong Problem contributed to WW2, and the Washington Naval Treaty gave 'em a good screwing (in their view, despite likely not being able to produce 1:1 with the Brits or the US)

Italy getting snubbed directly led to Mussolini and the alliance with Germany for Round 2.
Gotcha. Though with regards to Italy, I woud argue that their ridiculous performance in the conduct of the war is what got them there.

Side note: I have a report written by one of the wife's great uncles, who was present during the negotiations which produced the ToV, which spells out in rather dry economic detail exactly how the treaty was setting up WWII, which he composed a couple months before it was signed.
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Originally Posted By PigBat:


I'm not sure this holds up to close examination as the sole, or even a major, cause.
Europe has been at war with itself pretty much since the beginning of time. Many of those wars were incredibly destructive, with huge loss of life relative to the population and a devastated infrastructure, yet a generation later (or even less), they were right back at it with equal or greater fervor.
I postulate that there's more going on here than simply high casualties, and I believe the real cause is communism / socialism destroying the fabric of society. The end result is the same as you note above (beta males breed), but I think it has a different cause.

More historically literate folks, please correct me where I err.
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All.of European war history doesn't even come close to the death toll of ww1 and ww2...
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Originally Posted By nomad07:
All.of European war history doesn't even come close to the death toll of ww1 and ww2...
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Originally Posted By PigBat:


I'm not sure this holds up to close examination as the sole, or even a major, cause.
Europe has been at war with itself pretty much since the beginning of time. Many of those wars were incredibly destructive, with huge loss of life relative to the population and a devastated infrastructure, yet a generation later (or even less), they were right back at it with equal or greater fervor.
I postulate that there's more going on here than simply high casualties, and I believe the real cause is communism / socialism destroying the fabric of society. The end result is the same as you note above (beta males breed), but I think it has a different cause.

More historically literate folks, please correct me where I err.
All.of European war history doesn't even come close to the death toll of ww1 and ww2...
If we consider the two world wars as seperate events, and only examine European deaths, then previous European wars most certainly exceeded the death toll of the first world war, though the deaths typically occurred over longer time periods. See the Napoleonic wars and the Thirty Years War for starters.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 1:48:51 AM EST
Well, ignoring the current Muslim invasion, we did back the communists to help them take over half of Europe. The communists managed to be worse than the Nazis, so there's that.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 1:50:58 AM EST
We should have totally wiped out communism after WW2
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:


Say what? I mean, the Italians didn't get what they wanted, but I wouldn't call it hosed. And Japan did pretty well out of it. And the Turks were not involved with the Treaty of Versailles.
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They definitely had some resentment for what they "gained", which wasn't much for 1/2 a million dead in the field and another 1/2 mil at home
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 1:56:33 AM EST
Hey...now you got me questioning the VN War.

Aloha, Mark
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Should have taken Patton's advice, rearmed the Germans and pushed the Communists out of Europe... instead of giving them East Europe and half of Germany.

"I believe that Germany should not be destroyed, but rather should be rebuilt as a buffer against the real danger, which is Russia and it’s Bolshevism."

"Let’s keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened,and present a picture of force and strength to the Russians. This is the only language that they understand and respect. If you fail to do this , then I would like to say that we have had a victory over the Germans, and have disarmed them,but we have lost the war."
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Originally Posted By ma96782:
Hey...now you got me questioning the VN War.

Aloha, Mark
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You should, Uncle Ho wanted to be on our side... Whole thing could have been avoided. But, honestly, SE Asia was/is a bunch of corrupt little motherfuckers and Communism is probably what they needed. Give VN credit, they went into Cambodia and fucked up the KR.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 2:24:34 AM EST
A lot of people weak on their WW2 history in this thread.

And you could say it was kinda for naught, apart from smearing Japan. We only fought Germany because of they declared war on us because of their alliance with Japan.

There wouldn't have been a WW2 if the Europeans hadn't been so greedy when setting the terms for ending WW1. And by the way, we almost joined Germany instead during WW1.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 2:28:21 AM EST
I'd say we've thrown away most of the sacrifice in the fight for survival of our freedomly ways.

I'm talking of course about the First Crusade (at the very least).

Muslims were a newish thing at the time, violently exapnding and taking Christian land by force, killing, force converting, etc. They held Spain, Greece, Italy, and a lot of what's east of those.

The invaders were on the way and they had to unite or die. The Byzantines and Pope saw this, then too did the local lords, and so did the people.
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Originally Posted By CavScout8:
A lot of people weak on their WW2 history in this thread.

And you could say it was kinda for naught, apart from smearing Japan. We only fought Germany because of they declared war on us because of their alliance with Japan.

There wouldn't have been a WW2 if the Europeans hadn't been so greedy when setting the terms for ending WW1. And by the way, we almost joined Germany instead during WW1.
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Perhaps very very early on but that's a stretch. The US did have a large number of German immigrants but I can't see the US remotely leaning that way post Belgium, let alone all the $$ we were making from the Allies and those pesky occasional U-boats killing Americans.
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Originally Posted By FlyingBengal:
Basically we helped mass murdering oppressive lunatic A beat mass-murdering oppressive lunatic B, only to have lunatic A turn on us and control half of Europe under the curtain of communism for 50 years.

At least we got the japs back for Pearl Harbor, though.
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D Day was simply to reclaim as much of Europe as possible so the Russians couldn't. That's why the invasion didn't come until 1944, even though the French and others were kicked out in 1940.

The Russians did the worst of the fighting, and we kinda helped swoop in to reclaim countries for their old rulers.
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Originally Posted By Blind_Squirrel:


Perhaps very very early on but that's a stretch. The US did have a large number of German immigrants but I can't see the US remotely leaning that way post Belgium, let alone all the $ we were making from the Allies and those pesky occasional U-boats killing Americans.
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Very much so. The Lusitania is mainly what killed it. Different languages didn't help, but specifically we had a lot of German immigrants.

But there was no 'good' or 'evil' to us at that point. What people think of them now during WW1 is mostly nothing (because most know nothing), but what is there is mostly propaganda.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 2:37:22 AM EST
Now if someone can explain to me how we became so cozy with China after close to open ground warfare with them more recent than WW1 or WW2. We lost thousands of soldiers to theirs, while they lost hundreds of thousands to ours.

Yet no one even knows we fought them...

We should be pissed at them, but we pretend like they are so great. We even let them try to crash our currency, rip off all our companies, and sink our economy and society.
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Originally Posted By CavScout8:
Now if someone can explain to me how we became so cozy with China after close to open ground warfare with them more recent than WW1 or WW2. We lost thousands of soldiers to theirs, while they lost hundreds of thousands to ours.

Yet no one even knows we fought them...

We should be pissed at them, but we pretend like they are so great. We even let them try to crash our currency, rip off all our companies, and sink our economy and society.
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Uh, what? I'd think it is pretty common knowledge.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 2:55:00 AM EST
I'm sorry, but that is the shortest sided thing I've read in a while OP.


In the least, YOU are functioning in your life/existence because of all those strong men and women that sacrificed everything.

Next time you are on an interstate or drink clean water, you should think of them.
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Uh, what? I'd think it is pretty common knowledge.
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Then you'd be very wrong.

ETA:

Because it saddens me.

Certainly no one my age knows it hardly. (26y/o)
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 4:41:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By yagotme:
The warrior blood of Europe has been drained and diluted over the last 100 years by 2 world wars.  The true warriors were mostly killed in battle, or exterminated.  Thus, the beta class of male was the primary breeder for the last 50+ years.  Result:  Wimp City.
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Link Posted: 4/18/2017 4:53:42 AM EST
It became a complete waste once the first mitsubishi touched our soil. Now we're trillions in debt to communist china. Might have been good at time, but any benefit was long since pissed into the wind.
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Originally Posted By FlyingBengal:
Basically we helped mass murdering oppressive lunatic A beat mass-murdering oppressive lunatic B, only to have lunatic A turn on us and control half of Europe under the curtain of communism for 50 years.

At least we got the japs back for Pearl Harbor, though.
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Yep.  I get flamed for saying this but Hitler would have never crossed the atlantic
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Originally Posted By CavScout8:


Then you'd be very wrong.

ETA:

Because it saddens me.

Certainly no one my age knows it hardly. (26y/o)
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I'd say you're wrong about that. I am 25 years old. Yes, the education system is fucked up but we absolutely covered the Korean War.

Maybe some retards don't know but they are the type that wouldn't pay attention to anything important in school anyways regardless of curriculum.
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Originally Posted By AcidGambit:
You should, Uncle Ho wanted to be on our side... Whole thing could have been avoided. But, honestly, SE Asia was/is a bunch of corrupt little motherfuckers and Communism is probably what they needed. Give VN credit, they went into Cambodia and fucked up the KR.
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There is no doubt in my mind that S. Viet Nam had it's share of corrupt leaders.

And afterall there was suppose to be an election in 1956 that could have gone a long way towards healing the rift between the North and South. Unfortunately, the election of 1955 was full of corruption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Vietnam_referendum,_1955

Could the US have walked away......if the election of 1956 had taken place? Yup, Uncle HO was a communist and probably he needed to die before the USA would go along with a reunited VN.



Anyway, today.....Nike and all of those other US companies working with the commies in VN don't care. As long as American companies can make money and Americans can buy cheap. Who really cares?

So then.....what if the Korea reunification question were to be decided in the same way (a vote by the people of the two Koreas)? Does the KIM dynasty have to end first? Should I care, should we send our sons and daughters to fight?

Afterall, I can foresee that 20 years after the war we will all be buying from the NEW KOREA.

Aloha, Mark
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