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Posted: 7/3/2012 9:08:13 PM EDT
I was digging through some old stuff a little bit ago here at the house and found an old news paper I saved for some reason. It was from Sept 2 1983 the front page was about KAL 007  , I remember thinking that was gonna be FO time. I know there are plenty of guys here in GD old enough to know what I am talking about but for the young punks who were not even a gleam in daddy's eye.

KAL 007
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 9:11:04 PM EDT
[#1]
Among the passengers. Don't know why I remembered this;



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald


 
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 9:11:31 PM EDT
[#2]
Beirut barracks bombing follows in the next month IIRC.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 9:12:11 PM EDT
[#3]
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Beirut barracks bombing follows in the next month IIRC.


True that.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 9:40:18 PM EDT
[#4]
I was going through Basic.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 9:47:02 PM EDT
[#5]
I was in 4th grade.  I totally remember it, because until the USSR fell a lot of Asian and European airlines had crews based in Anchorage.
 
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 9:50:01 PM EDT
[#6]
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I was in 4th grade.  I totally remember it, because until the USSR fell a lot of Asian and European airlines had crews based in Anchorage.  


young punk.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:05:12 PM EDT
[#7]
We also invaded Grenada the next month.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:06:24 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
We also invaded Grenada the next month.


It was a busy year.  For certain I think I spent most of that year on alert. At least it felt that way.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:15:30 PM EDT
[#9]
Wow my mom was 8 months pregnant with me at the time
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:16:57 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
We also invaded Grenada the next month.


It was a busy year.  For certain I think I spent most of that year on alert. At least it felt that way.


I was born on July 2nd, earlier in that year

ETA: Yes... I turned 29 yesterday.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:18:24 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Beirut barracks bombing follows in the next month IIRC.

Yes late October 1983
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:19:31 PM EDT
[#12]
Sophmore.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:26:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
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We also invaded Grenada the next month.


It was a busy year.  For certain I think I spent most of that year on alert. At least it felt that way.


I was born on July 2nd, earlier in that year

ETA: Yes... I turned 29 yesterday.


Well then you're exactly 29 years older than my new daughter!

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Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:38:00 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Among the passengers. Don't know why I remembered this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald
 


"We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box."


Interesting fellow, he was.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:40:29 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
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Among the passengers. Don't know why I remembered this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald
 


"We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box."


Interesting fellow, he was.


I think he was one of the few people in Washington that actually cared about the nation and was probably not corrupt to the core.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:40:48 PM EDT
[#16]
McDonald quote: "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control ... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:42:54 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
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Among the passengers. Don't know why I remembered this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald
 


"We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box."


Interesting fellow, he was.


I think he was one of the few people in Washington that actually cared about the nation and was probably not corrupt to the core.


McDonald hewed to a consistently conservative line on issues such as foreign policy, defense spending, fiscal restraint, States rights, Gun rights, and Pro-life, while mounting a campaigns that successfully combined modern elements with a more traditional grassroots strategy. It paid off in the fall; while many of his fellow Democrats succumbed to Republican opponents or switched parties, McDonald managed to retain his seat.

McDonald—who considered himself a traditional Democrat "cut from the cloth of Jefferson and Jackson"[6]—was known for his conservative views, even by Southern standards. Given his Old Right and Southern views he was more conservative than the Republican party. In fact, one scoring method published in the American Journal of Political Science[7] named him the second most conservative member of either chamber of Congress between 1937 and 2002 (behind only Ron Paul). The American Conservative Union gave him a perfect score of 100 every year he was in the House of Representatives, except in 1978, when he scored a 95.[9] He also scored "perfect or near perfect ratings" on the congressional scorecards of the National Right to Life Committee, Gun Owners of America, and the American Security Council.[10] Referred to by The New American as "the leading anti-Communist in Congress",[10] McDonald admired Senator Joseph McCarthy[11] and was a member of the Joseph McCarthy Foundation.[3] He took the communist threat seriously and considered it an international conspiracy. An admirer of Austrian economics and a member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute,[3] he was an advocate of tight monetary policy in the late 1970s to get the economy out of stagflation, and advocated returning to the gold standard.[12] McDonald called the welfare state a "disaster"[13] and favored phasing control of the Great Society programs over to the states to operate and run.[14] He also favored cuts to foreign aid, saying "To me, foreign aid is an area that you not only can cut but you could take a chainsaw to in terms of reductions."




/faint
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 10:48:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
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Quoted:
Quoted:
Among the passengers. Don't know why I remembered this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald
 


"We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box."


Interesting fellow, he was.


I think he was one of the few people in Washington that actually cared about the nation and was probably not corrupt to the core.


McDonald hewed to a consistently conservative line on issues such as foreign policy, defense spending, fiscal restraint, States rights, Gun rights, and Pro-life, while mounting a campaigns that successfully combined modern elements with a more traditional grassroots strategy. It paid off in the fall; while many of his fellow Democrats succumbed to Republican opponents or switched parties, McDonald managed to retain his seat.

McDonald—who considered himself a traditional Democrat "cut from the cloth of Jefferson and Jackson"[6]—was known for his conservative views, even by Southern standards. Given his Old Right and Southern views he was more conservative than the Republican party. In fact, one scoring method published in the American Journal of Political Science[7] named him the second most conservative member of either chamber of Congress between 1937 and 2002 (behind only Ron Paul). The American Conservative Union gave him a perfect score of 100 every year he was in the House of Representatives, except in 1978, when he scored a 95.[9] He also scored "perfect or near perfect ratings" on the congressional scorecards of the National Right to Life Committee, Gun Owners of America, and the American Security Council.[10] Referred to by The New American as "the leading anti-Communist in Congress",[10] McDonald admired Senator Joseph McCarthy[11] and was a member of the Joseph McCarthy Foundation.[3] He took the communist threat seriously and considered it an international conspiracy. An admirer of Austrian economics and a member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute,[3] he was an advocate of tight monetary policy in the late 1970s to get the economy out of stagflation, and advocated returning to the gold standard.[12] McDonald called the welfare state a "disaster"[13] and favored phasing control of the Great Society programs over to the states to operate and run.[14] He also favored cuts to foreign aid, saying "To me, foreign aid is an area that you not only can cut but you could take a chainsaw to in terms of reductions."




/faint



He was dare I say it and draw ire from people here in GD . A John Bircher. That did not use to be a bad thing.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 11:54:26 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
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We also invaded Grenada the next month.


It was a busy year.  For certain I think I spent most of that year on alert. At least it felt that way.


I was born on July 2nd, earlier in that year

ETA: Yes... I turned 29 yesterday.


Well then you're exactly 29 years older than my new daughter!

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CONGRATS!
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 11:56:17 PM EDT
[#20]
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 12:30:05 AM EDT
[#21]
I was 10 months old.
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 2:07:35 AM EDT
[#22]
I met my late wife for the first time a couple of weeks earlier, I was paying more attention to her than anything else. It probably would have taken MAD, to take my mind off of her.

 
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 2:40:25 AM EDT
[#23]
fresh out of jump school serving in the 82nd airborne. im old
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 4:22:18 AM EDT
[#24]
I was on USS Nimitz, sitting high and dry on keel blocks in Newport News.
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 4:30:38 AM EDT
[#25]
I have a paper from the 2nd with that headline on it also.  But the real news of the day was that I was mother fucking born!
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 4:44:32 AM EDT
[#26]
I was 6 at the time.
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:06:31 AM EDT
[#27]
Know why the Russians shot down that KAL plane?


...... they were trying to impress Jodie Foster.










................................if you got that joke, you're officially an old fart!
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:06:58 AM EDT
[#28]
Just turned 18 and showed up for my Freshman year at the University of Oklahoma ...a few weeks later they moved the drinking age to 21
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:14:32 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:






Know why the Russians shot down that KAL plane?
...... they were trying to impress Jodie Foster.
................................if you got that joke, you're officially an old fart!
I laughed... until I read that last line. You're mean.















Not sure how many are familiar with this song...



































































































































































































Time was running out for all on board




Soaring up through the shadows of night.




High above the clouds the engines roared




This would be their final flight.
The Russians have shot down a plane on its way to Korea.




Two hundred and sixty-nine innocent victims have died.
Murder in the skies




Came without a warning.




Murder in the skies




Black September morning.




Murder in the skies.
Time was running out for everyone




Flying over the Sea of Japan.




None would live to see the rising sun




Death was following close at hand.
The Russians have shot down a plane on its way to Korea.




Two hundred and sixty-nine innocent victims have died.
Murder in the skies




Came without a warning.




Murder in the skies




Black September morning.




Murder in the skies




Came without a warning.




Murder in the skies




Black September morning.
Murder in the skies




Came without a warning.




Murder in the skies




Black September morning.




Murder in the skies




Came without a warning.




Murder in the skies




Black September morning.
Murder in the skies.




Murder in the skies.




Murder in the skies.




Murder, murder in the skies.




Murder in the skies.

 




 
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:16:12 AM EDT
[#30]
Just like the Turkish F4, KAL 007 showed that a pilot getting lost has consequences. I certainly don't justify shooting down civilian airliners, but happens and both aircraft where not in International airspace unlike the Iranian airbus the Navy got.
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:19:31 AM EDT
[#31]



Quoted:


Just like the Turkish F4, KAL 007 showed that a pilot getting lost has consequences. I certainly don't justify shooting down civilian airliners, but happens and both aircraft where not in International airspace unlike the Iranian airbus the Navy got.






 
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:24:41 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
Among the passengers. Don't know why I remembered this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald
 


"I personally believe that we don't need a lot more laws, I think we've got far too many laws on the books now, that's part of the problem. ... we don't need more government, more laws; we need a lot less. I'm up there [in Washington, D.C.] trying to dismantle a lot of this giant government. ... when you 'pass a law' with the current attitude in the Congress what do you get in a law today? You get either more spending, or more taxes, or more controls. ... which do you want? Do you want more spending? I think we've got too much. Do you want more taxes? I think we're taxed too heavily now. Do you want more controls over your life? Does anybody say 'Hey look, I really believe the federal government needs to control me. I want to be a slave. Please tell me how to run every facet of my life.' I don't hear many people saying that. I think most people say 'I think it's time we get the government off our backs, and out of our pockets.'"


He would've got my vote.
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:51:04 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Among the passengers. Don't know why I remembered this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald
 


"I personally believe that we don't need a lot more laws, I think we've got far too many laws on the books now, that's part of the problem. ... we don't need more government, more laws; we need a lot less. I'm up there [in Washington, D.C.] trying to dismantle a lot of this giant government. ... when you 'pass a law' with the current attitude in the Congress what do you get in a law today? You get either more spending, or more taxes, or more controls. ... which do you want? Do you want more spending? I think we've got too much. Do you want more taxes? I think we're taxed too heavily now. Do you want more controls over your life? Does anybody say 'Hey look, I really believe the federal government needs to control me. I want to be a slave. Please tell me how to run every facet of my life.' I don't hear many people saying that. I think most people say 'I think it's time we get the government off our backs, and out of our pockets.'"


He would've got my vote.


he must be spinning in his grave over the current state of the country
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 7:38:10 AM EDT
[#34]
KAL 007 racheted up the tension another notch for sure.

In other threads elsewhere, but still relevant, the documentary 1983 The Brink of Apolcalypse:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGYKfOoHN2k&feature=related

KAL007's part in it is in Part 3 of 8  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7xcVbbnWUs&feature=relmfu
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:20:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Sophmore.


I was a Sophmore in High school too
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:35:44 PM EDT
[#36]
I happened to be on a Herk flying down to Panama(Howard AFB) on an overnight flight.  We landed early in the morning and while we were checking in to Billeting we saw this news on the tv in the billeting office.  Talking about shock.  Unfortunately the next morning very early had to fly to Honduras where we spent the next month flying around that country and other places!     So wasn't around any good news media to catch all the happenings live.

That was the time they were building up the airfield at Palmerola AB to eventually become Soto Cano Air Base.  Luckily instead of living in tent city there we were staying at the capital of Honduras, Tegucigalpa.  And their best hotel too!  Pool, casino, etc.

Any Army guys remember those days?
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 5:37:17 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
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We also invaded Grenada the next month.


It was a busy year.  For certain I think I spent most of that year on alert. At least it felt that way.


I was born on July 2nd, earlier in that year

ETA: Yes... I turned 29 yesterday.


And 29 from here after.

Link Posted: 7/4/2012 6:39:07 PM EDT
[#38]
I turned 17 that day. I lost an old dog, a hot girl and my first beater car i bought myself from working hard broke down.
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 7:11:05 PM EDT
[#39]
I was stationed in Korea when that happened.  My wife flew in to join me a couple of weeks after the incident, also on KAL 007 before they got rid of the flight number.  Tense times.
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 8:10:02 PM EDT
[#40]
I was -2 years and 16 days.
 
 
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 8:17:04 PM EDT
[#41]
I bought a 1980 Z-28 Camaro off the showroom floor about a month prior to that..August 5 1980.

$10,259 OTD.

Fun times !

OOOPs....2 or three years prior to that...
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 9:49:26 PM EDT
[#42]
I remember driving up ;to SF with my sil  and joining a protest at the soviet embassy on green st.
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 11:33:49 PM EDT
[#43]

Link Posted: 7/4/2012 11:42:16 PM EDT
[#44]
Two weeks from leaving for the Army. Between the KAL incident just before and Beirut/Grenada while at Benning, I thought "Holy fuck! Boy did I pick a helluva time to enlist." Infantry no less!



Grenada was two days after Beirut. One of my squad leaders in Panama was in the 82nd in late '83. When the Beirut thing went down they got put on alert and locked down in CELAC (or however you spell it). They threw away all their porn mags and similar as they wouldn't want their mom's getting them in a package if they were KIA. They thought they were going to Lebanon. When they were finally told where they were going they were like "Where the fuck is Grenada?"
Link Posted: 7/4/2012 11:47:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
I happened to be on a Herk flying down to Panama(Howard AFB) on an overnight flight.  We landed early in the morning and while we were checking in to Billeting we saw this news on the tv in the billeting office.  Talking about shock.  Unfortunately the next morning very early had to fly to Honduras where we spent the next month flying around that country and other places!     So wasn't around any good news media to catch all the happenings live.

That was the time they were building up the airfield at Palmerola AB to eventually become Soto Cano Air Base.  Luckily instead of living in tent city there we were staying at the capital of Honduras, Tegucigalpa.  And their best hotel too!  Pool, casino, etc.

Any Army guys remember those days?


Yesiree! Spent 3 years in Panama and while there I went to Hondo twice, once in late '84 and once in early '86. Near the town/base of San Lorenzo the first time, 38 days on Tiger Island the second time. The second time we jumped into La Paz DZ (a freakin' cow pasture) outside of Palmerola and flew out to Tiger Island on Shithooks.  

Link Posted: 7/5/2012 12:52:57 AM EDT
[#46]
I was still just an itch in my dads pants at that point :P
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 1:47:38 AM EDT
[#47]
I was 355 days old. I think we were still living on Guam.
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