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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:35:30 PM EDT
An interesting debate that'll start soon...
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41008141 A start-up that lets residents monitor who drives in and out of their neighbourhood was among the companies revealed at a Silicon Valley event on Monday. Flock's sensor, which it offers for $50 a year per house, logs the number plates of every car that drives into a street and takes a picture. The sensor could eventually provide facial recognition. Residents of monitored neighbourhoods can opt-out of being tracked - but visitors, or people passing through, cannot. Flock is backed by Y Combinator, a start-up “incubator” which in the past has funded successes including Dropbox, Reddit and AirBnB. A privacy expert said he believed the data collection to be legal according to US law, but that the idea could ignite a debate about the "right to be left alone in public”. “One of the great weaknesses in US privacy law is that we only protect against intrusions into private areas, not public spaces,” said Albert Gidari, director of privacy at Stanford Law School's Center for Internet and Society. "Public roads through neighbourhoods, licence plates, pedestrians on public sidewalks etc all are fair game," he said. The data is only made available to “neighbourhood leaders”, Flock says, and is a tool that could be used to fight crime. To date, one person has been convicted thanks to evidence captured by the device. “An unfortunate individual drove into one of our [monitored] neighbourhoods,” explained Garret Langley, chief executive and co-founder of Flock. "He put a nice road bike in the back of his car, and drove off with both the window down and the trunk open. "Not only do we have footage of his licence plate, we have a picture of his face and a picture of the bike in the back.” ‘Not our data' The technology was shown off at Y Combinator’s Demo Day, the twice-yearly event at which entrepreneurs pitch their companies to several hundred investors. Flock’s devices are being trialled in seven neighbourhoods in and around Atlanta, with more locations across the US currently being considered. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:38:46 PM EDT
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I'll allow it.
Put up a sign informing drivers of it. Don't want to be recorded coming into my neighborhood? Don't come in. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:43:16 PM EDT
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Those that give up liberty for freedom deserve neither but let's photograph and record all the things! Someone's douche bag idea to make money.
In other news; in some states it's illegal to run plates unless you are sworn LE for privacy reasons. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:45:01 PM EDT
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Public roads? Fuck that.
With that said, where can I invest. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:45:24 PM EDT
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nvrmnd
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:45:32 PM EDT
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As long as I can opt out I will tolerate it.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:46:16 PM EDT
[#6]
I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:46:52 PM EDT
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I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:49:02 PM EDT
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The older I get; If I stay in the city/suburbs, A gated community is starting to sound more and more appealing, unless the HoA has some epically stupid rules. I'd be okay with this thing, not so much on public roads/neighborhood.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:51:01 PM EDT
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Driving is a privilege
Might help out that driveby shooting member |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:51:06 PM EDT
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BAHAHAHA. You guys know this isn't new? It's not like it hasn't been in use on hundreds of roadways across the U.S. for over a decade or anything. Ever go into DFW airport? They have had these for about 12y. How about ANY public toll road in Texas? Yup, they all have them. So does the Maryland toll system.
Beyond that these devices have been privately available for tow truck drivers to mount in their trucks. They roll through a parking lot scanning all the LP's and bouncing them off a repo database. When they get a match it brings up the vehicle data of the car to be repo'd and they can snatch it right there. But to get that repo they had to scan every LP in the parking lot. Not new. Not novel. If you weren't outraged 10y ago why get outraged now. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:51:13 PM EDT
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Does this stuff actually work? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:53:39 PM EDT
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Those that give up liberty for freedom deserve neither but let's photograph and record all the things! Someone's douche bag idea to make money. In other news; in some states it's illegal to run plates unless you are sworn LE for privacy reasons. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:54:05 PM EDT
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So it works better than a gated community without the inconvience of the gate. Cool.
--- lived in a gated community for a few years. The gate would have never stopped someone who cared to get in, just slow them down for a few minutes. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:59:43 PM EDT
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http://redlightcameraticket.net/wp-content/uploads/photoblocker-license-plate-spray-test-01.jpg Does this stuff actually work? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:02:08 PM EDT
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BAHAHAHA. You guys know this isn't new? Not new. Not novel. If you weren't outraged 10y ago why get outraged now. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:03:59 PM EDT
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http://redlightcameraticket.net/wp-content/uploads/photoblocker-license-plate-spray-test-01.jpg Does this stuff actually work? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:11:14 PM EDT
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The data is only made available to “neighbourhood leaders”
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:18:38 PM EDT
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The data is only made available to “neighbourhood leaders”  .
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:25:40 PM EDT
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My security cams already capture every vehicle that drives by my house. Doesn't every arfcommer have security cams by now?
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:38:44 PM EDT
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We have a manned gate 12 hours a day and a key card system and cameras the other twelve hours.
I'm good with that. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:41:54 PM EDT
[#21]
Awesome! I've always wanted one of these.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:48:19 PM EDT
[#22]
Divorce lawyers salivating with subpoenas already.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:53:17 PM EDT
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The data is only made available to “neighbourhood leaders” |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:57:38 PM EDT
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I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera. It's not. But people will whine about it anyways. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:08:38 PM EDT
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Burbclaves, huh.
I wonder when the third party offerings go from passive to active. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:10:55 PM EDT
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Several communities have similar devices installed.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:24:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:32:56 PM EDT
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i have some security cams set up outside my house. they are focused on doorways and carport. before i bought the cameras i used ipcamtalk to find out more about cameras. there were a number of threads on there from folks who wanted to capture license plates with cameras mounted near the street. apparently there are a number of logistic issues, positioning of the camera near the street, the angle of the camera, what the camera used a night to illuminate the license plate and so forth. i assume these folks have resolved those issues. but from what i could tell simply putting a camera out near the street, even with ir illumination the results were often disappointing. now i know you can buy pro stuff but the existing HD cameras dont work as well.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:14:02 PM EDT
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I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:30:47 PM EDT
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That's how I saw it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera. We are headed at full speed into a nearly unimaginable future. Shaping what the machine thinks of you will become an active endeavor. Privacy will become a luxury of luddite hermits, the technically sophisticated, and the independently wealthy
 Julien-K Black Market Machines 2015 (Audio Stream) |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:35:13 PM EDT
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Several communities have similar devices installed. http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/cameras-keep-track-of-all-cars-entering-medina/ |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:38:44 PM EDT
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So I'll know which neighbors to burgle?
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:41:43 PM EDT
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I have been warning about the slide towards the Surveillance Society for over 10yrs. I've seen people here go from tolerating Big Brother to embracing him. In the 80's we watched a movie called Blade Runner. It was science fiction. Soon, we're going to be living in a Blade Runner-like dystopian future with the Surveillance Society pieces of Minority Report thrown in for good measure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BAHAHAHA. You guys know this isn't new? Not new. Not novel. If you weren't outraged 10y ago why get outraged now. The technology will only get better. The younger generations will grow up with all the 24/7 surveillance and not think twice about it,us older folks will die off............. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:42:58 PM EDT
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I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:44:34 PM EDT
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So I'll know which neighbors to burgle? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:47:58 PM EDT
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In other news; in some states it's illegal to run plates unless you are sworn LE for privacy reasons. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:52:08 PM EDT
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A local private community has cameras at their entrance gates pointed front and back at the cars, another over the guard's shoulders towards the driver, and one above the entrance at the whole car. Not sure if they're doing anything actively with the information but facial recognition and license plate scanning is very mature technology.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:55:14 PM EDT
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My city has plans to install plate loggers at five main intersections plus a trailer that they can setup in "active" areas.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:56:43 PM EDT
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I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera. A privacy expert said he believed the data collection to be legal according to US law, but that the idea could ignite a debate about the "right to be left alone in public”. Although, who decides who the neighborhood "leader" is? I've seen neighborhoods where more than one resident felt that he/she was the "leader" of the area. And perhaps more importantly, what happens if there is a clear leader... and that leader abuses the information? Perhaps uses it for their own personal interests, or - perhaps even worse - dictates who can be privy to it & plays favorites? ... Say if both Neighbor ABC & XYZ have break ins, but the Leader likes the first but not the second, so only lets ABC know which cars were in the area at the time of the break in. (Think of HOAs as examples - clear leaders but some HOAs are already freakin corrupt as it is) This is why I think this format is going to be somewhat doomed. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:00:39 PM EDT
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Don't need that where I live, 6 mile long dead end dirt road off another dirt road, off another dirt road. You either live here, are visiting someone who lives here, are a UPS or Postal driver, or are really fucking lost if you wind up on my road. Plus we have a scary looking dude named Dale who lives right by the way in who is always outside messing around with his yard and/or one of his cars, and if he doesn't recognize you he'll ask if you're fucking lost and/or tell you to go away.
Dale's a crazy bastard, but I never worry about who's coming down the road knowing he's standing watch out there, doing what he loves. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:27:55 PM EDT
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In 2001 I sat in a technology round table at Black Hat (IT security training)/Defcon (hacker conference) where the concept of "digital DNA" was discussed.
Your cellphone is an example but so are the tiny RFI tags which can be put into consumer things like purses, belts, and shoes as part of inventory tracking. Those devices are all unique, so unique that they form a digital DNA that is you. If your phone, wallet/purse, belt and shoes were all at the scene there's a reasonable conclusion that you were there too. Small transponders would be built into door frames and carpets in stores. Wandering around a shopping mall could be tracked nearly step-by-step. You are, of course, anonymous until you something stupid like use an ATM or credit card which is tied to your identity. Now walk out to your car and your vehicle's license plate is now tied into your record. That digital DNA fingerprint is now a big data source that can be used to sell you things. We see you visit gun stores so when a different gun store has a sale and you're driving near it you get a discount coupon. Like Facebook and Google ads responding to your conversations store displays could respond to your previous purchases and your location. As you visit the men's section the monitor welcomes you and mentions that there's a sale on the type of shirts you prefer and they're in your size on rack 4B with the flashing red light. You walk up and the display asks you if the shoes you bought last time and are now wearing fix as expected and would you like to see similar style shoes? You walk into a restaurant and the wait staff greet you by name, ask if you'd like your preferred kind of beer, and if you'd like to order the same steak plate you did last time they can start it now (so they can turn the table faster). Walking into the grocery store your phone app notifies you that the cut of steak you buy is on sale and that there's a sale on your deodorant brand. Creepy stuff and it's going to get creepier as your medicine cabinet, freezer and refrigerator, and pantry all become inventory aware with their own RFI/bar code scanners. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:32:58 PM EDT
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My city has plans to install plate loggers at five main intersections plus a trailer that they can setup in "active" areas. Most intersections have three cameras - one facing in each direction along the main road and a pan/tilt/zoom camera. Additionally there are cameras at city parks and schools with speakers (but no microphones) so the police officers can speak to the people they see. "As a reminder the park closed a half an hour ago. Unless you leave immediately an officer will be dispatched ... ". The cameras are not used for traffic violations and at this time don't have the license plate software running. They've solved countless crimes as people are identified and tied to their vehicles. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:35:58 PM EDT
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For those who use Facebook or who have friends who use Facebook your pictures are already being tagged for facial recognition.
The police already are using social media sites to follow leads. They get one or two of a group of people arrested and pull up their social media pages and start looking at photos of the friends and of the crime scene video connecting the dots. This could be done with computers really simply. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:36:03 PM EDT
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I don't see how this is much different than having a regular security camera which is able to see license plate numbers, or a game camera. This is not new or special technology nor can anyone do shit about it if I decided to collect that data from the street. It sounds like a company just repackaging existing technology and marketing it to HOAs. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:42:45 PM EDT
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We're only just at the tip of the post-privacy world and things are only going to continue to change and become more connected.
It will be done in the name of safety and security, of course, and bit at a time ... like dropping a frog in boiling water. You're going to see biometic tied ID cards locked to your eye's iris or your fingerprints. Later it could be to your actual DNA itself. Real time tracking of vehicles and people is already possible following cellphones. George Orwell missed it by just a few years. It's our liberty and freedom that are at stake and people continue to allow the federal government to grow stronger and stronger and to give commercial companies more of their daily activities. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:52:10 PM EDT
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We're only just at the tip of the post-privacy world and things are only going to continue to change and become more connected. It will be done in the name of safety and security, of course, and bit at a time ... like dropping a frog in boiling water. You're going to see biometic tied ID cards locked to your eye's iris or your fingerprints. Later it could be to your actual DNA itself. Real time tracking of vehicles and people is already possible following cellphones. George Orwell missed it by just a few years. It's our liberty and freedom that are at stake and people continue to allow the federal government to grow stronger and stronger and to give commercial companies more of their daily activities. Kids will be born into it and look at it all as normal-Just have to wait for us older folks to die off. The freedom ship sailed a long long time ago,and isn't coming back.
I said for years that microchipping kids would be a start-kid gets grabbed and rescued quickly because they had him chipped,and people would be lining up to have their kids chipped. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:54:50 PM EDT
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our neighborhood has something like it, it does facial pictures is the main reason, we had a lot of breakins , do not remember the city asking for permission. not sure if they charge residents, the difference is they do not share the logs or photos. it takes the plates to. its night vision capable.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:56:42 PM EDT
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Are you suggesting that recording a plate is somehow equivalent to running a plate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In other news; in some states it's illegal to run plates unless you are sworn LE for privacy reasons. What possible other reason could someone have to "record" a plate? 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:06:36 PM EDT
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So would a hacker (or the gov.) be able to change things around?
Put your car/face in place of someone else and screw you over? Or is that unpossible and I've watched too many movies over the years? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:20:52 PM EDT
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So would a hacker (or the gov.) be able to change things around? Put your car/face in place of someone else and screw you over? Or is that unpossible and I've watched too many movies over the years? |
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