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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:48:46 PM EDT
what round?
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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:48:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:50:09 PM EDT
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I've been searching like crazy but coming up empty. I remember a report was posted here somewhere that was a compilation of post-shooting ammo performance, listing a bunch of percentages like average numbers of rounds required to stop, average accuracy on threat and % of engagements resulting in death. Anyone know what the heck I'm talking about and manage to save the link? You mean the Marshall & Sanov (sp) fraud? Have you been under a rock for the last 10 years? That stuff was proven fraudulant (both the data and the methodology) years ago. |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:51:02 PM EDT
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what round? It listed everything from .22 to 00 Buck Not the one I'm thinking of, but thank you. |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:52:09 PM EDT
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I've been searching like crazy but coming up empty. I remember a report was posted here somewhere that was a compilation of post-shooting ammo performance, listing a bunch of percentages like average numbers of rounds required to stop, average accuracy on threat and % of engagements resulting in death. Anyone know what the heck I'm talking about and manage to save the link? You mean the Marshall & Sanov (sp) fraud? Have you been under a rock for the last 10 years? That stuff was proven fraudulant (both the data and the methodology) years ago. I have no idea if that is the one I'm remembering. |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:53:23 PM EDT
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I've been searching like crazy but coming up empty. I remember a report was posted here somewhere that was a compilation of post-shooting ammo performance, listing a bunch of percentages like average numbers of rounds required to stop, average accuracy on threat and % of engagements resulting in death. Anyone know what the heck I'm talking about and manage to save the link? You mean the Marshall & Sanov (sp) fraud? Have you been under a rock for the last 10 years? That stuff was proven fraudulant (both the data and the methodology) years ago. I have no idea if that is the one I'm remembering. It is. They listed a bunch of rounds with their 'percentages'. It was all the rage in the mid-90s Covered everything from .22 to 12 gauge. |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:56:29 PM EDT
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I've been searching like crazy but coming up empty. I remember a report was posted here somewhere that was a compilation of post-shooting ammo performance, listing a bunch of percentages like average numbers of rounds required to stop, average accuracy on threat and % of engagements resulting in death. Anyone know what the heck I'm talking about and manage to save the link? You mean the Marshall & Sanov (sp) fraud? Have you been under a rock for the last 10 years? That stuff was proven fraudulant (both the data and the methodology) years ago. I have no idea if that is the one I'm remembering. It is. They listed a bunch of rounds with their 'percentages'. It was all the rage in the mid-90s Covered everything from .22 to 12 gauge. I'm pretty darn sure that this was something that was released recently. That report doesn't sound familiar but who knows.... |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:02:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:02:58 PM EDT
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I'm pretty darn sure that this was something that was released recently. That report doesn't sound familiar but who knows.... I know during the 90s they released a report at least twice (that is how they were caught fudging their data), they may have released a 'newer' report showing adding in some of the newere rounds. Buy why are you looking for somethign that is obviously BS. There is no way somebody can say getting hit with round 'x' will cause 'y'% stops. Bullet placement is king - not some BS number. |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:04:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:06:51 PM EDT
Awesome! I'm ditching the .45 in favor of a .380 since they had the same "stopping power". |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:07:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:08:59 PM EDT
C'mon, just because I want to read through something again doesn't mean I'm basing my life or my carry equipment on it.
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:10:55 PM EDT
Make sure to ditch your centerfire rifle for .22LR since .22LR takes "less hits to incapacitation" than centerfire rifle. That study is awesome! I'm gonna rewrite all my ammo FAQs! |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:25:01 PM EDT
Shot placement matters is what I gathered from that...
Otherwise a lot of the stats on it make you go  |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:28:41 PM EDT
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Make sure to ditch your centerfire rifle for .22LR since .22LR takes "less hits to incapacitation" than centerfire rifle. That study is awesome! I'm gonna rewrite all my ammo FAQs! Link to your current ammo FAQ's? |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:30:32 PM EDT
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Awesome! I'm ditching the .45 in favor of a .380 since they had the same "stopping power". Cho proved at Virginia Tech that 9mm is quite capable of killing. |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:39:42 PM EDT
Quoted: Quoted: Awesome! I'm ditching the .45 in favor of a .380 since they had the same "stopping power". Cho proved at Virginia Tech that 9mm is quite capable of killing. Pish Tosh. .22LR is where it's at! |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:40:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:52:05 PM EDT
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That study is awesome! I'm gonna rewrite all my ammo FAQs! Link to your current ammo FAQ's? Ummmh. The ammo forum? I had no idea you were such a dick 
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:54:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:55:25 PM EDT
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I had no idea you were such a dick
 
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:58:00 PM EDT
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That study is awesome! I'm gonna rewrite all my ammo FAQs! Link to your current ammo FAQ's? Ummmh. The ammo forum? I had no idea you were such a dick You've obviously never been to the ammo forum, then. 
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Posted: 1/7/2012 8:02:53 PM EDT
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I had no idea you were such a dick Sorry man. I was just being ornery tonight. |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 8:06:25 PM EDT
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I had no idea you were such a dick
Sorry man. I was just being ornery tonight.
I've got Keystone Ice in me so I believe we are good to go. 
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Posted: 1/8/2012 6:28:11 AM EDT
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Awesome! I'm ditching the .45 in favor of a .380 since they had the same "stopping power". Cho proved at Virginia Tech that 9mm is quite capable of killing. Pish Tosh. .22LR is where it's at! why do you think the military uses .223? it's so close the .22 in power nothing can stop it! |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 6:35:57 AM EDT
Just remember all these stopping power statistics fail big time because they do not differentiate between physiologic stops and psychological stops. The difference between the two is huge, more than large enough to spoil any numbers you care to collect.
Did the perp stop because he had to or because he wanted to? Oh and chuck hawk should be poked with a sharp stick until he takes that idiotic opinion piece off his site. |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 6:59:47 AM EDT
Quoted: Quoted: Awesome! I'm ditching the .45 in favor of a .380 since they had the same "stopping power". Cho proved at Virginia Tech that 9mm is quite capable of killing. He also used a .22. All Cho proved is that it's easy to kill people who are disarmed by policy and can't shoot back.  As for the OP, maybe you were thinking of this? Same data that was already posted, different format. |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 7:16:49 AM EDT
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Awesome! I'm ditching the .45 in favor of a .380 since they had the same "stopping power". Funny observation: Someone on Ten Nugent's board asked a cop about handguns used by criminals. The cop said the bad guys generally had good taste in weapons, many of which would turn up stolen. Then he asked about the ammunition usually found. "Whatever's on sale at WalMart." |
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