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Posted: 9/24/2005 11:51:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 11:56:15 AM EDT by hunterwarrior]
Study on biblical justification for self defense and killing: PRAISE THE LORD AND (PLEASE DO) PASS THE AMMUNITION by Duncan Long

How many of you fellow Christians feel he is on track? Close but not quite? or Way off base?
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:24:06 PM EDT
From the Catechism:

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."


2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.

Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:36:28 PM EDT
The proper translation of the commandment is "murder", not killing. Apparently the Hebrews and God understand this the same way Texans do--there's killin', and there's murder, and they ain't the same thing.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:49:54 PM EDT
LDS Belief on Self-Defense

"We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for redress of all wrongs and grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the right of property or character infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded."
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Mind you our founder Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum were both armed, AND FIRED BACK, when a mob came to kill them at Carthage Jail. They didn't go w/o first firing off a few rounds, or at least Joseph was able to. Hyrum never had a chance as he was struck in the face from a round through the door and then another in the neck from a second through the door.

I'm a Christian Man, I believe heartely in self defense!
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:00:21 PM EDT
God gave us life as a gift. To not defend that gift would make a mockery of it...

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 9:32:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MormonComputerZ:
LDS Belief on Self-Defense

"We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for redress of all wrongs and grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the right of property or character infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded."
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Thats a nice way to sum up the issue. The Mormons appear to have their heads on straight when it comes do self defense :)

thanks for posting that

is there a link I can find other beliefs summed up for the Mormon faith?

Link Posted: 9/26/2005 1:39:09 PM EDT
Yes it is murder, not Kill, if a man comes in your house to rob you during the day, chase him out...if he comes in the night, grab your sword and strike him down, for he means to harm you and your family...
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 1:47:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The proper translation of the commandment is "murder", not killing. Apparently the Hebrews and God understand this the same way Texans do--there's killin', and there's murder, and they ain't the same thing.


Amen, to that. Damn Hebrew translators.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 1:51:12 PM EDT

Amen, to that. Damn Hebrew translators.



Nope try King James translators....
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 1:53:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 5:08:36 PM EDT
For anyone interested in what latter-day saints believe, here is the link to the web page that lists the basic beliefs called the Articles of Faith. The website is for those interested in learning more about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 5:36:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheWind:

Amen, to that. Damn Hebrew translators.

Nope try King James translators....


For the record, I meant, "those who translated the Hebrew Bible into English", but thanx for the correction.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 6:15:34 PM EDT
OK it was the damn British
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 8:08:48 AM EDT
Damn Jerome and his latin vulgate!

non occides - no cut down/kill

Shok
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 8:35:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 8:36:10 PM EDT by hunterwarrior]
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Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:17:24 AM EDT
In the original Hebrew text of the old testament and the law of moses, The word was Murder so the commandment would have read "Thou shalt not Murder"

Murder even in biblical text is defined as "Shedding of innocent blood", There fore since someone you would have to defend yourself against is committing the evil then self defense would not be Shedding innocent blood!

Besides how often do you find references to God having someone killed or a war started at his behest!

Christ admonished his disciples to Buy a sword and to sell their cloaks and buy one if they didn't have the money for one, Why would Jesus have admonished them to do that if he didn't expect they would run itno Evil doers bent on victimizing them?

Only the liberals who do not want to look at the original text to determine the meaning of scripture define the meaning of that commandment as "Thou shalt not kill" ANYBODY!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:37:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hunterwarrior:
Study on biblical justification for self defense and killing: PRAISE THE LORD AND (PLEASE DO) PASS THE AMMUNITION by Duncan Long

How many of you fellow Christians feel he is on track? Close but not quite? or Way off base?



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The Ten Commandments as given to Moses, and recorded in the Hebrew Bible state that:

"Though shall not murder"

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