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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:53:18 AM EDT
When government gets involved in cosplay.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:58:47 AM EDT
after military criminal investigators and federal prosecutors declined to do so |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:59:14 AM EDT
Yeah, I can see that happening at NorFucking Vagina.
#dontworkthereanymore |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:00:39 PM EDT
So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it?
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:01:39 PM EDT
So the government investigated themselves and decided no charges were warranted. Sounds like the FBI and the Clintons and Fast and Furious. Typical government.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:02:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:04:59 PM EDT
That reads like an over dramatization. The group in charge of security created a security force. And bought boats and vehicles for said security to drive.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:05:03 PM EDT
I wonder if they ever tried to book someone into jail, lol.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:06:36 PM EDT
I'm not surprised that this took place.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:07:36 PM EDT
Odd.
But did they do anything nefarious or out of bounds (like traffic enforcement or wandering around outside their area "fighting crime"?) What a strange story. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:07:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:08:26 PM EDT
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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it? They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:10:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:12:09 PM EDT
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That's what it sounds like. They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:12:51 PM EDT
I read the OP as song lyrics and came up with a pretty awesome ballad, if I do say so myself
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:16:49 PM EDT
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$21M worth of wasteful spending is okay with you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what it sounds like. They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it Is $21 million the total amount they spent or are $21 million worth of guns and gear missing and in someone's closet? Big difference. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:17:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:21:05 PM EDT
One of those fake cops with unauthorized weapons wouldn't happen to be the guy that helped end the Navy Yard shooting, huh? How dare they provide security with weapons and vehicles!
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:22:09 PM EDT
Building a hedge around the APC and emptying the warehouse the day before the auditor comes through is some good stuff. HBO needs to jump on this, great source material for a movie or series.
Handing out a thousand challenge coins was a bold move. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:24:27 PM EDT
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That's about all I have too. John Adams warned that this Constitution was only created for a moral and religious people....not the scum bags that actually weasel their way into power via any and all corrupt ways possible. President Trump took them by surprise. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:25:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:25:33 PM EDT
Gecko45?
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:27:06 PM EDT
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That's what it sounds like. They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it? They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it (Which is a euphemism for stolen) |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:28:01 PM EDT
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That's what it sounds like. They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it No problem there? Deliberately hiding vehicles from inspectors? Making plates for them? Driving them with no insurance? Stealing the gas for them? What about the $4M worth of this stuff? “None of that stuff is on an inventory, and it’s all highly-pilferable things,” Lintner said. “These are high-cost tools, night vision goggles, sniper scopes, and there was no accountability for any of it" No problem with any of that? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:29:18 PM EDT
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Did you miss the part about millions in missing gear? (Which is a euphemism for stolen) |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:29:36 PM EDT
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That's what it sounds like. They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it Maybe they did a good job! |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:33:10 PM EDT
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Referring to democracy...every corrupt man gets a vote they vote for candidates like themselves....why we got Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama President Trump took them by surprise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's about all I have too. John Adams warned that this Constitution was only created for a moral and religious people....not the scum bags that actually weasel their way into power via any and all corrupt ways possible. President Trump took them by surprise. 
But in this thread.....troops take their ques from their leaders....no? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:33:51 PM EDT
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One of those fake cops with unauthorized weapons wouldn't happen to be the guy that helped end the Navy Yard shooting, huh? How dare they provide security with weapons and vehicles! |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:39:15 PM EDT
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One of those fake cops with unauthorized weapons wouldn't happen to be the guy that helped end the Navy Yard shooting, huh? How dare they provide security with weapons and vehicles! |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:39:24 PM EDT
They keep saying "police". Did they actually try to arrest anyone?
If they had put "Security" on the side of the APC would that have been better? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:39:58 PM EDT
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One of those fake cops with unauthorized weapons wouldn't happen to be the guy that helped end the Navy Yard shooting, huh? How dare they provide security with weapons and vehicles! |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:44:34 PM EDT
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That's what it sounds like. They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:46:03 PM EDT
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Was it wasteful? Maybe they did a good job! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what it sounds like. They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it Maybe they did a good job! In that way, the security specialists allegedly obtained at least 92 vehicles and other equipment worth more than $4 million without any valid mission requirement — including a flatbed tractor-trailer to move the vehicles around. To this day, all of that property is unaccounted for, according to the IG’s office. NAVFAC refused to sanction the ones the security specialists obtained through DLA’s surplus lot, and advised them to send them back. ...
“The security department said, ‘Roger that,’ and then developed a license plate manufacturing plant in the shipyard, made their own plates and put those on the vehicles,” “When they got to the gate at FLETC, they were denied entrance because the plates weren’t any good — they’d made their own,” Lintner said. “So their solution was to back around the corner, put another valid government plate on from another vehicle, and they drove it right into FLETC.” Gasoline presented another potential hurdle, since there was no clear way to finance and account for the fueling of vehicles the Navy didn’t technically own. But again, the security team found a solution. The shipyard had a valid work order with a fuel delivery company that regularly visited the base to replenish the yard’s gasoline-powered lighting devices, so the employees allegedly got the tanker trunk driver to also top off their vehicle fleet’s gas tanks on every visit. The IG says not only were the vehicles not properly licensed, neither were their drivers. And needless to say, none of the unregistered vehicles were insured. One such vessel — a high-speed interdiction boat — was bought for $150,000 with a government purchase card, and the team paid at least $206,000 more to tie it up at a nearby private marina instead of at the shipyard itself, where there was abundant dock space for small boats. the organization made several other highly-questionable buys, including federal law enforcement badges costing several hundreds of dollars each and 1,000 challenge coins which employees “handed out like candy.”
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:47:08 PM EDT
I want to hear the whole story. Yard is charged with beefing up security. They did. The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have. My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget. Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both.
--- or the Navy realizes how stupid this makes them look and did not want even more publicity. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:50:17 PM EDT
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I want to hear the whole story. Yard is charged with beefing up security. They did. The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have. My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget. Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:50:21 PM EDT
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They keep saying "police". Did they actually try to arrest anyone? If they had put "Security" on the side of the APC would that have been better? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:50:40 PM EDT
The investigation, which was conducted in 2014, has not been previously disclosed. But to date, none of the shipyard officials involved in the enterprise have faced punishment or prosecution, partly because most of them opted to retire before the investigation began, and millions of dollars in unaccounted-for property remains missing.
So, you just have to retire in order to escape prosecution, is that a thing now?
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:51:47 PM EDT
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It would have been legal at least. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They keep saying "police". Did they actually try to arrest anyone? If they had put "Security" on the side of the APC would that have been better? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:54:49 PM EDT
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I want to hear the whole story. Yard is charged with beefing up security. They did. The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have. My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget. Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both. --- or the Navy realizes how stupid this makes them look and did not want even more publicity. There is absolutely nothing that goes on in there that could be misconstrued as being cost effective. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:54:57 PM EDT
So the whole no dog shooting is what blew their cover.
Ha ha |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:56:38 PM EDT
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I want to hear the whole story. Yard is charged with beefing up security. They did. The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have. My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget. Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both. --- or the Navy realizes how stupid this makes them look and did not want even more publicity. 
The Navy not prosecuting means that someone with pull and connections was in on it and swept it under the rug. This is pure corruption. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:00:46 PM EDT
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Yes it's important to avoid red tape while you're stealing millions of dollars worth of gear from the taxpayers.
The Navy not prosecuting means that someone with pull and connections was in on it and swept it under the rug. This is pure corruption. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to hear the whole story. Yard is charged with beefing up security. They did. The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have. My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget. Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both. --- or the Navy realizes how stupid this makes them look and did not want even more publicity.
The Navy not prosecuting means that someone with pull and connections was in on it and swept it under the rug. This is pure corruption. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:01:02 PM EDT
92 vehicles for 4 million dollars... that is like 45k per vehicle... that is a bargain....
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:01:39 PM EDT
We see again the purity and competence of the federal government.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:03:04 PM EDT
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They keep saying "police". Did they actually try to arrest anyone? If they had put "Security" on the side of the APC would that have been better? I didn't know the TBL thing extended to security guards playing dress up with taxpayer money. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:06:22 PM EDT
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92 vehicles for 4 million dollars... that is like 45k per vehicle... that is a bargain.... "Losing" weapons & gear however is another story.... |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:06:53 PM EDT
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Did you miss the part about millions in missing gear? (Which is a euphemism for stolen) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it? They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it (Which is a euphemism for stolen) |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:07:37 PM EDT
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Right, people getting worked up about $21mil, but that was since 9/11, shit that's light for gov spending... I wish other departments were that frugal. "Losing" weapons & gear however is another story.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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92 vehicles for 4 million dollars... that is like 45k per vehicle... that is a bargain.... "Losing" weapons & gear however is another story.... "It's only $21,000,000" |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:09:03 PM EDT
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Is it? And why does your avatar say renegade? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it? They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it (Which is a euphemism for stolen) To this day, all of that property is unaccounted for, according to the IG’s office. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:11:03 PM EDT
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Is it? And why does your avatar say renegade? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it? They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it (Which is a euphemism for stolen) |
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