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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:51:53 AM EDT
https://federalnewsradio.com/defense-news/2017/08/investigation-navy-shipyard-wasted-21-million-building-off-the-books-police-force/slide/1/


For the better part of a dozen years, a group of employees and managers at the Navy’s largest public shipyard operated what amounted to
an unsanctioned, off-the-books police force, equipping it with
illegally or improperly obtained weapons, vehicles and fuel, wasting an
estimated $21 million in public funds in the process.

Those are the findings of an internal command-directed investigation performed by the Naval Sea Systems Command’s inspector general, which
undertook an in-depth review of the case after military criminal
investigators and federal prosecutors declined to do so.

The investigation, which was conducted in 2014, has not been previously disclosed. But to date, none of the shipyard officials
involved in the enterprise have faced punishment or prosecution, partly
because most of them opted to retire before the investigation began,
and millions of dollars in unaccounted-for property remains missing.


The case has its origins, investigators say, in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, when agencies were flush with cash to spend on
improving their security and few were inclined to question any spending
that was ostensibly intended to protect federal facilities and
employees.

In that environment, the officials in charge of a group of unarmed security guards, whose job was supposed to be patrolling the shipyard’s
internal work areas, began beefing up the workforce and outfitting it
with firearms, boats, law enforcement badges, vehicles (complete with
fictitious license plates) and an armored personnel carrier that they
emblazoned with the word “police.”

“These folks are not law enforcement, but they wanted to be, and all
of their actions were done to become a law enforcement organization,”
said Peter Lintner, the deputy director of investigations at NAVSEA.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:53:18 AM EDT
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When government gets involved in cosplay.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:58:47 AM EDT
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after military criminal investigators and federal prosecutors declined to do so
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/sigh
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:59:14 AM EDT
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Yeah, I can see that happening at NorFucking Vagina.


#dontworkthereanymore
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:00:39 PM EDT
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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:01:39 PM EDT
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So the government investigated themselves and decided no charges were warranted. Sounds like the FBI and the Clintons and Fast and Furious. Typical government.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:02:05 PM EDT
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You can do that without putting "Police" on your APC and losing guns.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:04:59 PM EDT
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That reads like an over dramatization. The group in charge of security created a security force. And bought boats and vehicles for said security to drive.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:05:03 PM EDT
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I wonder if they ever tried to book someone into jail,  lol.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:06:36 PM EDT
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I'm not surprised that this took place.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:07:36 PM EDT
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Odd.

But did they do anything nefarious or out of bounds (like traffic enforcement or wandering around outside their area "fighting crime"?)

What a strange story.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:07:57 PM EDT
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That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:10:48 PM EDT
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Going more with misappropriation of funds and impersonating law enforcement.
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That's what it sounds like.
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$21M worth of wasteful spending is okay with you?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:12:51 PM EDT
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I read the OP as song lyrics and came up with a pretty awesome ballad, if I do say so myself
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That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
$21M worth of wasteful spending is okay with you?
I've learned that half of what is in the news is a lie and half is an exaggeration.  Both halves have the goal of advancing an agenda.

Is $21 million the total amount they spent or are $21 million worth of guns and gear missing and in someone's closet?  Big difference.
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That's about all I have too.  John Adams warned that this Constitution was only created for a moral and religious people....not the scum bags that actually weasel their way into power via any and all corrupt ways possible.  
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:21:05 PM EDT
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One of those fake cops with unauthorized weapons wouldn't happen to be the guy that helped end the Navy Yard shooting, huh? How dare they provide security with weapons and vehicles!
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:22:09 PM EDT
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Building a hedge around the APC and emptying the warehouse the day before the auditor comes through is some good stuff.  HBO needs to jump on this, great source material for a movie or series.

Handing out a thousand challenge coins was a bold move.
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That's about all I have too.  John Adams warned that this Constitution was only created for a moral and religious people....not the scum bags that actually weasel their way into power via any and all corrupt ways possible.  
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Referring to democracy...every corrupt man gets a vote they vote for candidates like themselves....why we got Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama

President Trump took them by surprise.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:25:16 PM EDT
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This reminds me of a CNN headline.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:25:33 PM EDT
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Gecko45?
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That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
Did you miss the part about millions in missing gear?

(Which is a euphemism for stolen)
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:28:01 PM EDT
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It doesn't actually say that, it says the Navy declined to go recover it so it's probably all still behind the hedge.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:29:36 PM EDT
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That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
$21M worth of wasteful spending is okay with you?
Was it wasteful?

Maybe they did a good job!
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:33:10 PM EDT
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President Trump took them by surprise.
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That's about all I have too.  John Adams warned that this Constitution was only created for a moral and religious people....not the scum bags that actually weasel their way into power via any and all corrupt ways possible.  
Referring to democracy...every corrupt man gets a vote they vote for candidates like themselves....why we got Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama

President Trump took them by surprise.
I voted for Trump for the entertainment value.  I'm not naive enough to believe he is some kind of moral savior of the nation.....I am not disappointed.  

But in this thread.....troops take their ques from their leaders....no?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:33:51 PM EDT
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There was a shooting in Norfolk?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:39:15 PM EDT
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Well, considering that this happened at A navy yard in Norfolk, VA instead of THE Navy Yard in Washington, D. C., I'd say there's a good chance that you can sleep easy knowing that these fake cops with unauthorized weapons did not do anything at all to stop Aaron Alexis.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:39:24 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:39:58 PM EDT
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Since that was at the Washington Shipyard and the IG case was at the Norfolk Shipyard it's rather unlikely.
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That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
$21M worth of wasteful spending is okay with you?
He's a "pick up that can citizen" kinda guy so I'm sure as long as they made it home safe I'm sure he's not concerned about the tax dollars they wasted.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:46:03 PM EDT
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Was it wasteful?

Maybe they did a good job!
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That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
$21M worth of wasteful spending is okay with you?
Was it wasteful?

Maybe they did a good job!
In that way, the security specialists allegedly obtained at least 92 vehicles and other equipment worth more than $4 million without any valid mission requirement — including a flatbed tractor-trailer to move the vehicles around. To this day, all of that property is unaccounted for, according to the IG’s office.
NAVFAC refused to sanction the ones the security specialists obtained through DLA’s surplus lot, and advised them to send them back. ...

“The security department said, ‘Roger that,’ and then developed a license plate manufacturing plant in the shipyard, made their own plates and put those on the vehicles,”
“When they got to the gate at FLETC, they were denied entrance because the plates weren’t any good — they’d made their own,” Lintner said. “So their solution was to back around the corner, put another valid government plate on from another vehicle, and they drove it right into FLETC.”
Gasoline presented another potential hurdle, since there was no clear way to finance and account for the fueling of vehicles the Navy didn’t technically own. But again, the security team found a solution. The shipyard had a valid work order with a fuel delivery company that regularly visited the base to replenish the yard’s gasoline-powered lighting devices, so the employees allegedly got the tanker trunk driver to also top off their vehicle fleet’s gas tanks on every visit.
The IG says not only were the vehicles not properly licensed, neither were their drivers. And needless to say, none of the unregistered vehicles were insured.
One such vessel — a high-speed interdiction boat — was bought for $150,000 with a government purchase card, and the team paid at least $206,000 more to tie it up at a nearby private marina instead of at the shipyard itself, where there was abundant dock space for small boats.
the organization made several other highly-questionable buys, including federal law enforcement badges costing several hundreds of dollars each and 1,000 challenge coins which employees “handed out like candy.”
Yeah.  Good job guys.  
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:47:08 PM EDT
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I want to hear the whole story.  Yard is charged with beefing up security.  They did.  The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have.  My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget.  Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both.
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or the Navy realizes how stupid this makes them look and did not want even more publicity.
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There was already a police force on the base that was responsible for law enforcement activities, which as someone pointed out these dipshits couldn't' actually do since they couldn't take anyone to jail.
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They keep saying "police". Did they actually try to arrest anyone?

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It would have been legal at least.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:50:40 PM EDT
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The investigation, which was conducted in 2014, has not been previously disclosed. But to date, none of the shipyard officials involved in the enterprise have faced punishment or prosecution, partly because most of them opted to retire before the investigation began, and millions of dollars in unaccounted-for property remains missing.

So, you just have to retire in order to escape prosecution, is that a thing now?
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It would have been legal at least.
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They keep saying "police". Did they actually try to arrest anyone?

If they had put "Security" on the side of the APC would that have been better?
It would have been legal at least.
Slightly.  Although since their command refused to license them and told them that they had to be returned there would still be problems.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:54:49 PM EDT
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I want to hear the whole story.  Yard is charged with beefing up security.  They did.  The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have.  My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget.  Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both.
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I worked at NNSY for about six months in 2011 shortly after leaving the Navy

There is absolutely nothing that goes on in there that could be misconstrued as being cost effective.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:54:57 PM EDT
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So the whole no dog shooting is what blew their cover.
Ha ha
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I want to hear the whole story.  Yard is charged with beefing up security.  They did.  The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have.  My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget.  Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both.
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Yes it's important to avoid red tape while you're stealing millions of dollars worth of gear from the taxpayers.

The Navy not prosecuting means that someone with pull and connections was in on it and swept it under the rug.

This is pure corruption.
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Yes it's important to avoid red tape while you're stealing millions of dollars worth of gear from the taxpayers.

The Navy not prosecuting means that someone with pull and connections was in on it and swept it under the rug.

This is pure corruption.
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I want to hear the whole story.  Yard is charged with beefing up security.  They did.  The question is did they do it in a more or less cost effective measure than they should have.  My bet is they avoided a metric butload of beuracratic red tape and did he job under budget.  Navy not prosecuting because in the end they relize that the job was performed and either exceeded standard or was under budget or both.
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Yes it's important to avoid red tape while you're stealing millions of dollars worth of gear from the taxpayers.

The Navy not prosecuting means that someone with pull and connections was in on it and swept it under the rug.

This is pure corruption.
You don't spend that amount of money or drive around a base with cars that say Police on them without someone's at least tacit approval.
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92 vehicles for 4 million dollars... that is like 45k per vehicle... that is a bargain....
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:01:39 PM EDT
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We see again the purity and competence of the federal government.
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They keep saying "police". Did they actually try to arrest anyone?

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So, you're ok with not LEO putting POLICE on their vehicles? Really?

I didn't know the TBL thing extended to security guards playing dress up with taxpayer money.
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Right, people getting worked up about $21mil, but that was since 9/11, shit that's light for gov spending... I wish other departments were that frugal.

"Losing" weapons & gear however is another story....
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Did you miss the part about millions in missing gear?

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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it?
That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
Did you miss the part about millions in missing gear?

(Which is a euphemism for stolen)
Is it?  And why does your avatar say renegade?
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Right, people getting worked up about $21mil, but that was since 9/11, shit that's light for gov spending... I wish other departments were that frugal.

"Losing" weapons & gear however is another story....
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92 vehicles for 4 million dollars... that is like 45k per vehicle... that is a bargain....
Right, people getting worked up about $21mil, but that was since 9/11, shit that's light for gov spending... I wish other departments were that frugal.

"Losing" weapons & gear however is another story....
Sigh.

"It's only $21,000,000"
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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it?
That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
Did you miss the part about millions in missing gear?

(Which is a euphemism for stolen)
Is it?  And why does your avatar say renegade?
To this day, all of that property is unaccounted for, according to the IG’s office.
It's still unaccounted for.  As in not turned in even after they got their hands slapped.
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So basically after 9/11 the security guys decided to not be a soft target and are now getting in trouble for it?
That's what it sounds like.
They might get hung out to try for labeling themselves as police, but I don't see an issue with the rest of it
Did you miss the part about millions in missing gear?

(Which is a euphemism for stolen)
Is it?  And why does your avatar say renegade?
It is, and my avatar says renegade because I set that picture as my avatar.
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