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Posted: 5/21/2003 10:22:31 AM EDT
I've seen President Bush Sr. in person on several occasions and each time I've tried to get close (but not too close!) to Secret Service personnel to see what kinda goodies they are packing under their coats or in their vehicles. Although I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary I'm sure they've got weapons and gadgets we don't know about. Theory #1: those black Suburbans in the motorcades have rocket launchers in them Anywayz, has anybody been lucky enough to see something they weren't supposed to see? What secrets do you speculate they have?
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:31:37 AM EDT
Maybe we don't need to speculate. What we know or think we know, others may find out and endanger the president.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:39:08 AM EDT
Lasers. And gaydar, gotta have gaydar.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:45:24 AM EDT
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My wife and I were in DC back in 1998, walking through Georgetown. A motorcade went by and stopped at a hotel at one end of the street we were walking on. A limo preceded by and trailed by two and three Suburbans, respectively. When we reached the end of the street (and the hotel) one of the Suburbans was parked in the driveway with the rear doors open. No shitter: There were six or so of the MEANEST looking motherfuckers I've EVER seen in my life, and they were armed FOR BEAR! M4's, MP5's, Sig pistols, grenades, THE WORKS. One guy had an M203, and I could have sworn I saw a Star-Wars-lookin' sniper rifle (I have no idea of the make/model). BTW, these guys were American, although the guy in the limo wasn't. So, if this is what follows some nobody, can you imagine what accompanies the President, especially nowadays? I don't know about rocket launchers, but I know you can mount 20mm cannon in the bed of a Suburban, said weapon coming out through the roof at the push of a button and guided by the gunner in the driver's seat. To attack the President requires one of two things: a micro-scale attack (poison, a single pistol/rifle shot, etc.) or an assault by a reinforced battalion supported by light armor. The Secret Service guys on the Detail are not cops. They're bodyguards, and their proincipal is the most important body on earth. They WILL shoot first and then decide IF they want to ask questions later, especially in the current environment.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:52:05 AM EDT
I would bet that a couple of the Vans and or Suburbans have a minigun in the back for crowd control. Hehehehhee
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:58:33 AM EDT
Zaphod, Perhaps State Dept. Diplomatic Security special agents.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:02:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HKocher: Zaphod, Perhaps State Dept. Diplomatic Security special agents.
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Maybe. I have to admit to not having the first clue as to who they were. I just remember turning to my wife, right there, and saying, "Anyone who attacks the President has got to be out of their fucking minds", and seeing the nearest troop just smile. I was standing less than ten feet from those doors. They were dressed in black BDU's, assault vests, helmets, and goggles. Still, what really scared me was the eyes; how they scanned back and forth like they were friggin' Cylons, eyeballing EVERYONE. It was thoroughly impressive....
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:06:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HKocher: Zaphod, Perhaps State Dept. Diplomatic Security special agents.
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I'd tend to agree. Saw a Discovery channel special on those guys, and it was pretty much as Zaphod describes.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:07:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By eswanson:
Originally Posted By HKocher: Zaphod, Perhaps State Dept. Diplomatic Security special agents.
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I'd tend to agree. Saw a Discovery channel special on those guys, and it was pretty much as Zaphod describes.
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They were probably just out to seize all our guns! [;)]
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:12:51 AM EDT
I have a friend who was SS during the Reagan years, and he aluded they had more than a 'couple' of Minimi's in the stable of vehicles he rode in.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:24:37 AM EDT
[joke] I heard the SS guys had to have a surgically created "concealment cavity" for hiding their MP5K's under their jackets [/joke] [:D]
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:51:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rn45: Maybe we don't need to speculate. What we know or think we know, others may find out and endanger the president.
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[rolleyes] gimme a break
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:53:18 AM EDT
I remember seeing one guy in DC. He was dressed in all black with a radio, a gun, another gun, and yet another gun. Was one slab of a man. That Star Wars rifle you saw probably was thier JAR, or 'Just Another Rifle'. It is anything but. Uusally chambered for the 7mm Remington Magnum, they use Leupold scopes with nice stocks, and usually with stainless steel ( silver lookin' ) barrels, matched with one mean looking dude behind it. They are made by the Secret Service Countersniper Weapons Shop.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 12:02:03 PM EDT
I read a gun mag article from the 1971 that described the arms of the secret service at that time. Mostly 9mms, UZIS and AR-15s. CRC
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 12:02:17 PM EDT
Having been a motorcade driver (for the press vehicles) for POTUS and VPOTUS motorcades, I have "seen" more than most. I have never seen "miniguns" or M203s in the "linebacker" suburban. I saw a bunch of M4s with Aimpoints, and some serious people who looked like they knew how to use them. The motorcades I drove in were pretty low risk though, so maybe I saw a lighter load than what they'd have in higher risk areas. This was also pre 9/11.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 12:13:51 PM EDT
Vice President Quayle visited a hospital that I worked at in 1991. As an administrator, I was assigned to liaison with the local SS agent who headed up the advance team. He didn't reveal any real operational issues but did talk about the two agents who always stay within reach of the principal. He referred to one as the "gun man" and the other as the "take down man". The "take down man" was assigned to move the principal to an area of safety- in this case, the limo. The "gun man" was expected to clear a path. He carried an MP5. Thbe local agents were good guys- very thorough. The guys who traveled with the Veep looked like they could eat glass.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 12:29:06 PM EDT
I've only seen SS agents when they protected Chelsea on her vacation. They drove white jeep Cherokees with with gov't plates. They weren't wearing suits, but had the Agent Smith ear walkie talkie things and I noticed they also used hand signals. Quite low-key too, but I guess it's because they figured Chelsea's looks would probably stop most threats in their tracks.
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Maybe not a secret but I know for a fact they use/used HK MP5-K PDW's with two mags clamped together. I can't remember what trigger pattern the lower was.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 12:40:42 PM EDT
Why do agents always wear sunglasses, and can you send me a pair? The reason Secret Service agents wear sunglasses is to keep the sun out of their eyes--so they can increase their ability to see what people in the crowd are doing. We are sorry but we cannot send you a pair of sunglasses--agents buy their own sunglasses.
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Can you send me a sample bullet? No, we are sorry that we cannot send you a sample bullet. The Secret Service feels very strongly about gun safety, and that includes being accountable for all of our ammunition. In addition, we encourage kids who might come across a gun to follow these rules: Stop and do not touch the gun Leave the area Tell an adult what you have found
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Link Posted: 5/21/2003 12:44:30 PM EDT
I've heard they replaced the MP5s with FNP9s. Don't know it for fact, but was told they got pissed at HK for poor support and when with FN. Heard the same thing about the FBI.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 1:16:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rn45: Maybe we don't need to speculate. What we know or think we know, others may find out and endanger the president.
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I know I should say, But I think they have a water cannon that sprays PIG BLOOD and has been tested on muslims and it sent them right to hell.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 1:33:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2003 1:34:27 PM EDT by eswanson]
Originally Posted By u-baddog:
Originally Posted By rn45: Maybe we don't need to speculate. What we know or think we know, others may find out and endanger the president.
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I know I should say, But I think they have a water cannon that sprays PIG BLOOD and has been tested on muslims and it sent them right to hell.
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Yeah, but that's for large crowd control. Their rifle that shoots small pork sausages is more effective for pinpoint accuracy against Muslim targets. Crap, I shouldn't have said that, what with the elevated terror alert level and all.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 1:41:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By u-baddog:
Originally Posted By rn45: Maybe we don't need to speculate. What we know or think we know, others may find out and endanger the president.
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I know I should say, But I think they have a water cannon that sprays PIG BLOOD and has been tested on muslims and it sent them right to hell.
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PIG POWERED PAINTBALLS!
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 1:46:31 PM EDT
Agent Smith? [img]http://www.heptune.com/agent.jpg[/img] Packs a DE .50 [img]http://www.telmi.com.pl/matrix/foto/smith15.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.aboutfilm.com/movies/m/matrix-weav.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 1:47:43 PM EDT
does anyone remember when brady and Reagan were shot at by the guy with the .22? (yielding many anti gun laws) I remember the SS guy had a big uzi that he pulled under his jacket.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 2:14:23 PM EDT
I think my brother carried a Colt .357 when he was a SS for Nixon. He did get to draw down on Kissenger on time. ED
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 2:19:12 PM EDT
DSS protects State Department people (i.e. Colin Powell and his underlings) and visiting foreign dignitaries, as well as foreign posts. There have been "discovery channel" specials on both DSS and USSS in the past few years. As far as M203s and miniguns, you people are on crack. I have seen the CAT suiting up and seen what they carry, and it's not grenade launchers and miniguns. I really doubt DSS is much different. Protecting a principal has little to do with firepower. You get him and the rest of the package the fuck out of there as quickly as possible, you don't stand there and shoot it out. You have com gear in every motorcade vehicle and info on nearest hospitals in every vehicle. The money and manpower that goes into advance work is also staggering and more important than the weapons.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 2:22:15 PM EDT
My friend is a Secret Service agent. They no longer pack Uzis. Now it's mp5s. His carry weapon is a 9mm Sig. Doesn't like to talk much about his work.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 3:38:41 PM EDT
Those boys in the Suburbans following are the C.A.T. Counter assualt Team. These guys are baddass. I have a family member that was part of that for a few years. hes been in for about 25 years. Hes worked with Reagan and Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. requested him for the campaign trail. He carries a Si 229 in .357sig. I guess most of the close guys dont carry alot of hardware. They are the one to get into a firefight. they are there to protect the principle. The other guys in the trucks are the one to watch out for. They get to cross-train with all theose cool S.F troops we always talk about, but we never really here about the C.A.T
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 4:12:58 PM EDT
Slightly OT I have a former co-worker that worked fot the SS. I called him to inquire about the requirments for employeement. He was sure if they had changed since the late 80's so he said he would check. Five minutes later I got a call at work from a female SS agent. Nice women but it still scared the shit out of me. Found out my vision isn't good enough to apply.
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Link Posted: 5/21/2003 4:57:12 PM EDT
I was assigned to an advance team when in the Navy, to set up the comms and crypto gear on a campaign trip to Brownsville, Texas that Carter took. During these prep meetings, these guys were just plain weird...in a scary way. Nothing like the professionalism you see in public. They aren't quiet about how stupid their 'charges' are. Mostly just blowing off steam is my guess. They actually hated Amy Carter though! Almost to a man...arrogant, spoiled little bitch was one of the comments. She really pissed them off by doing her homework on the ride home from the school she was attending by writing on the white leather seats of the car, then they would have to clean it up after her. Back then they use to carry S&W .357 for the most part. Some also carried UZI's which were concealed inside their suit coats which were specifically tailored for easy access and to conceal the UZI. As for the eyes, you got that right. Even in a casual setting, off-duty, the eyes are always moving. It is trained into them, but most people don't notice due to the sunglasses. I think back then they were Bauch-Lomb and specially made so that you couldn't see what their eyes were looking at.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 4:58:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
Originally Posted By mike45acp: does anyone remember when brady and Reagan were shot at by the guy with the .22? (yielding many anti gun laws) I remember the SS guy had a big uzi that he pulled under his jacket.
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Special Agent Tim McCarthy, the guy who flared and took a bullet when Hinckley went off, lived across the street from me when I was in 6-7th grade. He was a great guy, and I saw him out PT'ing less than a week after he came home from the hospital. He was a chief of police somewhere in the midwest after he retired from the USSS.
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he is cheif where i live, orland park, il. in fact i will see him monday great guy
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 5:17:56 PM EDT
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I had the privilege of attending the United States Secret Service Firearms Instructor course in 1990. It was the most professionally run law enforcement course that I have ever attended. At the time, the C.A.T. team had some very serious hardware. I saw them training in counter ambush w/ an M-60. I was told that it was just for training, not deployment (yeah right [;)]). They were / are a GREAT law enforcement agency with top notch training. You never hear of embarrassing issues concerning the USSS. Mike
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 6:19:28 PM EDT
[IMG]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=12422[/IMG] Well I've been this close to the President of the United States and I tell youwaht, those boys have some seriously kick ass toys!
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 6:42:34 PM EDT
I saw an article years ago about one of those Suburbans and it did indeed have a pop-up minigun. According to the article, it had grating on the floor below it to allow the casings to fall through below the vehicle. Must have been a bitch to AC/heat!!!
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 8:20:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By neilfj: During these prep meetings, these guys were just plain weird...in a scary way. Nothing like the professionalism you see in public. They aren't quiet about how stupid their 'charges' are. Mostly just blowing off steam is my guess.
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That's because most of their "charges" are a pain in the ass. I managed to get the agent in my SUV to comment on that issue...basically Clinton couldn't stay on schedule and was a nightmare. GWB is punctual and runs his show like a swiss watch. Cheney is usually early, if anything. Seems the USSS agents that do protective work are much happier now. Jarhead- I have a good friend that does advance work for the VP's office, though his work is mostly setting up computers, podiums, and such. He's going to work for the DOJ next year though, so he's not sure how much of it he'll be able to do. He was the one that recruited me to drive in the motorcades. It was pretty fun. I seem to remember Clinton visiting China in his last year of office. He brought every democrat in DC with him, and there were HUGE advance teams. I think the total bill was well into the hundreds of millions.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 8:34:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mike45acp: does anyone remember when brady and Reagan were shot at by the guy with the .22? (yielding many anti gun laws) I remember the SS guy had a big uzi that he pulled under his jacket.
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I hope this doesn't turn into the "what gun was that in Heat" but I thought I remember that those SS agents had the mini Uzi, was it even in service then? I think I even remember seeing briefcases that popped open holding them too. Anyone remember this stuff?
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:04:42 PM EDT
[:k]
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The only SS guy who's weapon I've seen in person was carrying a M4 (escorting Dick Cheney to the white house on the day after the innaguration, in a Suburban.)... I've heard of them using almost every high-end SMG in existance... UZIs, MP-5s, etc... I wouldn't be suprised if they have P90s available, too...
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:35:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: I'm on the private side, so of course we don't have the budget or horsepower that the USSS or even a mayor or governor's detail has. The hardest part of doing advances in my job is getting itineraries in the first place!
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You do private EP work, huh? Interesting field, a lot more challenging than the govt side if you ask me. Many more "hurdles" to deal with, especially when you start going overseas.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:40:17 PM EDT
Frankly, it wouldn't surprised me to hear they're toting some Stingers around in the Suburbans these days.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:44:05 PM EDT
THEY are probably reading this thread and laughing their asses off. [;D] Where's Jim West and Artimus Gordon when ya need 'em?
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:55:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BusMaster007: THEY are probably reading this thread and laughing their asses off. [;D]
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The only posts that they are laughing at are the ones about missiles, grenade launchers, and mounted miniguns. So, I wonder if they mount the chaingun before or after the flux capacitor?
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:58:31 PM EDT
Back in the late 80's when I was working for the feds in a fed building, we had the FBI across the hall and the SS down the hall from them. The SS had a "house phone" type phone outside of their office door. One day we heard a comotion out in the hallway. We saw 3 guys in suits taking down and cuffing an older gentleman in the hallway. Seems the older gentleman told an agent he wanted to use their phone and was getting boligerant(sp) when he was told he couldn't come through the doors. He started cussing at the agent on the "housephone" and 3 of them came out to calm the guy down...Needless to say, it escalated and he was cuffed...It turned out the older gentleman was a Federal Bankruptcy Judge from 2 floors down. Their phones were out of order.. He never ID'd himself until he was cuffed... Then he stayed in cuffs with the Federal Police downstairs until his identity could be verified.. A computer guy I got to know in Maryland used to do contract work for the NSA..He said (and wouldn't elaborate) "You wouldn't believe the shit that will come up out of the Whitehouse lawn if needed"...He didn't know about the rooftop..But you see those small attic looking windows...hehehe..Imagine... Actually, I heard their 2 best weapons are naked pics of Janet Reno and Monica Cigars (Which have been outlawed because they are considered WMD's..Bio-hazard)[:D]
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:04:43 PM EDT
I don't doubt they have missiles at the White House. That became public knowledge after the second guy tried to fly a plane into it. Motorcades are a different story. If they regularly roll with anything more than I've mentioned in this thread, it is VERY well hidden.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:10:40 PM EDT
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... Was the Uzi in that briefcase on the ground? [img]http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/USPics2/91089.gif[/img] [img]http://www.columbia.edu/itc/history/brinkley/3651/photos/eighties/Reagan-Assassination.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:46:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By eswanson:
Originally Posted By HKocher: Zaphod, Perhaps State Dept. Diplomatic Security special agents.
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I'd tend to agree. Saw a Discovery channel special on those guys, and it was pretty much as Zaphod describes.
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I had a chance to run into State's DS folk. Nice group. Very serious about their work. Occasionally the cut-out contractors that do work as 'consultants to the state department' keep sharp by working DS assignments in one capacity or another. DS sounds about like what you describe.
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