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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:37:00 PM EDT
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/secret-court-takes-another-bite-out-fourth-amendment




The ruling confirms that NSA's warrantless spying has been formally
approved for use in general criminal investigations. The national
security justification has been entirely blown.

That's because the secret court, over the objection of its
hand-selected amicus, determined that once information is collected by
the NSA for "foreign intelligence" purposes under section 702 of the
FISA Amendments Act, that information can be searched by the FBI for
regular criminal investigations without any need for a warrant or prior
court oversight
. Although the FISC has signed off on the FBI's
procedures claiming this authority for years, this ruling from late 2015
may be the first time the FISC has actually considered their legality.



Section 702 is the law that the government uses to conduct two
massive NSA programs: access to communications as they travel the
Internet backbone (called Upstream) and access to communications stored
with service providers like Google and Facebook (called Prism).



According to this ruling, communications like email and Facebook
posts collected by the government under the broad authority of section
702 that the FBI has access to—including all "raw" Prism data—can be
mined for any "evidence of a crime" and used against you, even if you're
inside the United States.


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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:43:59 PM EDT
Wha?  You didn't think they would actually stop did you??








Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:45:19 PM EDT
The term parell construction deal with using info from intelligence gathering in criminal cases. It has been a running gag on the tv show THE GOOD WIFE for the last three seasons. Considering how real the background material is, it is not funny.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:47:23 PM EDT
Helen Keller heard from Ray Charles about seeing this
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:47:48 PM EDT
Land of the free and home of the brave.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:48:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:48:30 PM EDT
Fuck Federal Law Enforcement.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:48:36 PM EDT
Is anyone surprised?

FUNSA
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:49:08 PM EDT
OMG!!!

Dey's gonna find out I took that tag off muh mattress!!!

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:49:20 PM EDT
The CoC prevents me from saying whose blood needs to spill.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:50:32 PM EDT
4th amendment died long ago.  Every now and then government just pisses on it because they can.
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The term parell construction deal with using info from intelligence gathering in criminal cases. It has been a running gag on the tv show THE GOOD WIFE for the last three seasons. Considering how real the background material is, it is not funny.
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The original Snowden documents showed that the NSA was already supplying information to the DEA to use for parallel construction back 2013 and before.



 
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:53:00 PM EDT
God bless Edward Snowden.

That is all I can say about this.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:53:13 PM EDT
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Fuck Federal Law Enforcement.
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Be careful, this is a pro-law enforcement site. No matter what.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:53:40 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:54:52 PM EDT
We were assured by top men on this very board that such a thing is unpossible.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:57:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:57:17 PM EDT
lol
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lol
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:03:49 PM EDT

See?  This is how you boil a frog.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:04:57 PM EDT
Just wait, soon it will be illegal to voice certain opinions. You'll get a knock on your door by the new gestapo after telling your wife over dinner how annoyed you were today by that annoying 'look at me' fag in the next cubicle over.

The ears in the walls and phone and smart tv, and....you get the point.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:06:40 PM EDT
I'd really like to expatriate on principle, but I can't think of any country thats better than here.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:08:32 PM EDT
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What kind of men?
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We were assured by top men on this very board that such a thing is unpossible.




What kind of men?





 
Top men
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:40:31 PM EDT
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Then (after it was substantiated) we were told "what's the big deal/this is old news/this has been going on for years".
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:42:35 PM EDT
C'mon guys, if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about
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The part where we have secret courts is more disturbing.

That's the sort of crap the USSR, Nazis, and East Germany had.

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I have to disagree.  We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:48:15 PM EDT
As the man said "I don't believe anything the government tells me. Nothing. Zero."
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I have to disagree.  We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones.



Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here.
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The part where we have secret courts is more disturbing.



That's the sort of crap the USSR, Nazis, and East Germany had.







I have to disagree.  We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones.



Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here.
Tell me again why we need a secret court instead of a public court to try in absentia?
 
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:50:14 PM EDT
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4th amendmentThe BOR died long ago.  Every now and then government just pisses on it because they can.
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Fixed it.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:51:13 PM EDT
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God bless Edward Snowden.

That is all I can say about this.
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This.  We wouldn't have a clue how fake our freedoms really are without his revelations.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:52:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:52:16 PM EDT
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I have to disagree.  We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here.
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The part where we have secret courts is more disturbing.

That's the sort of crap the USSR, Nazis, and East Germany had.



I have to disagree.  We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here.

The irony in the post is thick.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:55:43 PM EDT
I was assured by people here that such a thing is a conspiracy theory and would never happen.

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I know, ain't it a bitch?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:56:51 PM EDT
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The irony in the post is thick.
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The part where we have secret courts is more disturbing.

That's the sort of crap the USSR, Nazis, and East Germany had.



I have to disagree.  We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here.

The irony in the post is thick.


Thank you for understanding.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:57:17 PM EDT
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Just wait, soon it will be illegal to voice certain opinions. You'll get a knock on your door by the new gestapo after telling your wife over dinner how annoyed you were today by that annoying 'look at me' fag in the next cubicle over.

The ears in the walls and phone and smart tv, and....you get the point.
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I'm not going to tin foil,

But if I were, I would say I've heard that you should be careful what you say around your smart phone that's sitting on the coffee table next to you, or you could "affect the ads that are displayed".
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:59:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 11:01:10 PM EDT
eff the government.  welcome to the secret police state.  people should be going to jail over this.
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Be careful, this is a pro-law enforcement site. No matter what.
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Fuck Federal Law Enforcement.


Be careful, this is a pro-law enforcement site. No matter what.


When our federal law enforcement is functionally indistinguishable from the Stassi, perhaps the site needs to re-evaluate that.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 11:02:09 PM EDT
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You better start pretending you don't care like everybody else. Your speech might be considered provocative.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 11:03:39 PM EDT
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Can't be true... I have been assured by members here that Edward Snowden was full of shit and  that our own government spying on us was pure BS.

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Before you tug yourself off out of the gate, this is definitely one thing that nobody here denied. If some criminal stuff you are doing gets picked up during surveillance by another entity, it's required that it gets passed to the law enforcement entity with jurisdiction.

No different than a car search for weed turning up a brick of C4. Off to the ATF you go for persecution. Or whatever.

It's a large point of contention among various agencies. Not to mention that any information on US entities (people, firms, etc) has to be destroyed in a relatively short window if not part of an active investigation.

The NSA does stuff for all agencies within the scope of their individual missions, instead of each agency having their own redundant mini NSA.

IIRC, the thing that was contested was the idea that the NSA is running some sort of "persons of interest" ultra computer than sees everything, all the time, no matter what. That's still not the case.

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 11:05:23 PM EDT
the watchers are the ones that need to be watched








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Before you tug yourself off out of the gate, this is definitely one thing that nobody here denied. If some criminal stuff you are doing gets picked up during surveillance by another entity, it's required that it gets passed to the law enforcement entity with jurisdiction.

No different than a car search for weed turning up a brick of C4. Off to the ATF you go for persecution. Or whatever.

It's a large point of contention among various agencies. Not to mention that any information on US entities (people, firms, etc) has to be destroyed in a relatively short window if not part of an active investigation.

The NSA does stuff for all agencies within the scope of their individual missions, instead of each agency having their own redundant mini NSA.

IIRC, the thing that was contested was the idea that the NSA is running some sort of "persons of interest" ultra computer than sees everything, all the time, no matter what. That's still not the case.

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Can't be true... I have been assured by members here that Edward Snowden was full of shit and  that our own government spying on us was pure BS.



Before you tug yourself off out of the gate, this is definitely one thing that nobody here denied. If some criminal stuff you are doing gets picked up during surveillance by another entity, it's required that it gets passed to the law enforcement entity with jurisdiction.

No different than a car search for weed turning up a brick of C4. Off to the ATF you go for persecution. Or whatever.

It's a large point of contention among various agencies. Not to mention that any information on US entities (people, firms, etc) has to be destroyed in a relatively short window if not part of an active investigation.

The NSA does stuff for all agencies within the scope of their individual missions, instead of each agency having their own redundant mini NSA.

IIRC, the thing that was contested was the idea that the NSA is running some sort of "persons of interest" ultra computer than sees everything, all the time, no matter what. That's still not the case.



The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Yep.  I remember that too.
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OMG!!!



Dey's gonna find out I took that tag off muh mattress!!!



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Dude, you should be more worried about your shower head pumping more than 2gal/min.




Be very afraid!!
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 11:12:52 PM EDT
I will shed no tears for those involved in such doings, whatever the fates may decree fall upon them.
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