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Posted: 8/23/2017 1:06:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 1:07:03 PM EST by Smashy]
http://libertyparkpress.com/seattle-council-candidate-grant-wants-double-gun-violence-tax/


One of the candidates running to fill the Seattle City Council seat being vacated by Tim Burgess, who pushed through the city’s “gun violence tax,” is proposing to double that tax to raise revenue not realized during the first year it was assessed, a move predicted by Washington state’s leading gun rights advocate.

Council candidate Jon Grant’s proposal appears on his campaign website. Here’s what he says:

“Seattle won a significant victory in the courts against our national gun violence epidemic, once again leading the nation where the federal government will not. In an 8-1 decision our State Supreme Court upheld our city’s gun violence tax which funds critical public health research. However, in the year since it was implemented it has become clear the law does not go far enough. The revenue created hit less than half its projected goal and therefore the tax on guns and ammunition must be doubled to fulfill our promise to adequately fund critical research on gun violence."


More details at link.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:08:25 PM EST
Something very bad should happen to people that propose this shit.............
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:09:42 PM EST
So do they actually believe their logical fallacy that if you take away guns you'll stop the violence?

Do their bodyguards pay this tax?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:10:45 PM EST
"national gun violence epidemic"

lol

I can think of a few better names for it.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:14:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus:
So do they actually believe their logical fallacy that if you take away guns you'll stop the violence?

Do their bodyguards pay this tax?
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Does the Seattle Police pay this tax?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:20:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus:
So do they actually believe their logical fallacy that if you take away guns you'll stop the violence?

Do their bodyguards pay this tax?
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I don't think this has anything to do with gun violence. It is about screwing over gun owners. These people would have to be unbelievably stupid to think that.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:20:37 PM EST
Seattle is going to Seattle. Glad I left that place years ago. Still love to visit tho.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:21:14 PM EST
My gun is violent

My GUN is violent
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:21:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By carguym14:
Something very bad should happen to people that propose this shit.............
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FPNI
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:23:10 PM EST
Are there any shops in Seattle left?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:24:56 PM EST
Does everyone just go to Tacoma now?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:28:55 PM EST
Maybe they could put a tax on any act of criminal violence committed with a gun.

If the criminal doesn't pay the tax, then they could put him in prison.

Since liberals don't seem to want to imprison people for criminal violence, maybe they would be willing to do it for tax evasion since they like taxes so much.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:31:57 PM EST
"Because men are rapists, and only men can be rapists, of course, because a woman cannot possibly rape a man, we should tax every man for having testicles, and tax them again based on the size of their penis.

Why? Well, some men rape women. So all men should be taxed to discourage them from raping and convince them to get their balls chopped off so they can't rape anyone."

Same argument and logic as the so-called "gun violence tax."
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:32:07 PM EST
So not only did this not solve any gun violence, he wants to increase it because it wasnt enough revenue to fund his pet projects, so he can drive away even more business. This coupled with their living wage BS and I give that city 10 years before its another Detroit.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:32:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
Does everyone just go to Tacoma now?
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Bellevue or Renton.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:32:48 PM EST
One store now makes up 83% of the tax paid to the city now and he's fighting the tax. 

Man if there was a work around to stay in his location with demo firearms but have the customers officially purchase and pick up at another facility outside of the city as a big F-you to Seattle I would be all for it. 
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:34:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 1:34:49 PM EST by FREEFALLE7]
Gun tax...gun dealers....

4473s....

yea fuck that










Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:34:11 PM EST
The only problem?
Most of the gun stores closed shop and left Seattle a long time ago.
No one in their right mind buys guns or ammo in Seattle.
Plenty of the surrounding cities that don't have a "gun sales tax".

The tax has been a complete failure.
They city is spending its own money on funding the studies - what the tax was supposed to fund.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:35:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BikerNut:
Does the Seattle Police pay this tax?
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus:
So do they actually believe their logical fallacy that if you take away guns you'll stop the violence?

Do their bodyguards pay this tax?
Does the Seattle Police pay this tax?
Do the criminals pay this tax?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:38:51 PM EST
Why aren't they working on changing the name of the state from somebody who owned slaves to something else?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:39:00 PM EST
Unconstitutional tax is unconstitutional but the vast majority of seattleites hate the constitution anyway.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:40:35 PM EST
Fun fact: Seattle City Council members make $117,000 per year. Second highest pay for a city council position in the nation.


Pretty cushy gig, now I can see why dipshits like Jon Grant pander to even bigger idiots so much. KEEP THAT GRAVY TRAIN RUNNIN!
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:40:44 PM EST
"We made less than half of what we thought we would make on the tax, therefor we should double the tax"



Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:40:46 PM EST
The entire "Tax" thing has gotten ridiculously out of hand; gun tax, sin tax, soda tax, luxury tax, yadda yadda. Then we have situations where cities that have a dollar shortfall and/or unexpected infrastructure upgrade funding shortfall, so they vote in a property tax hike. Of course after that property tax get approved and implemented the owned property value miraculously gets surveyed and goes up shortly after, therefore raising taxed value again. Taxed left and right this crap needs to be simplified and limited. I also think taxes should not be used to try to discourage purchases that some leftist voting board doesn't agree with.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:44:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rifleguy81:
"We made less than half of what we thought we would make on the tax, therefor we should double the tax"



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They are actually doubling down on stupid.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:46:18 PM EST
Ya it worked out so well, we should double it and run the one gun dealer out of town that is actually paying taxes!

Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:47:10 PM EST
BELLEVUE, WA – Attorneys for the Second Amendment Foundation and the senior editor of its publication, TheGunMag.com, have filed a renewed motion for summary judgment against the City of Seattle for its refusal to provide specific revenue information on the city’s so-called “gun violence tax.”
“Seattle’s continued refusal to reveal specific revenue data on its so-called ‘gun violence tax’ amounts to the city thumbing its nose at the Public Records Act (PRA),” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “Our renewed motion includes an important statement from the city’s largest firearms retailer that includes a stunning revelation that may explain the city’s reluctance to come clean with an aggregate revenue figure.
When the city said it had collected less than $200,000,” he added, “it is apparently a lot less. Their pie-in-the-sky revenue forecast when they rammed the tax through appears to have consisted of hot air and road apples.”
Editor Dave Workman maintains that this is a First Amendment issue, and that the public has a right to know whether the original revenue forecast of between $300,000 to $500,000 was even remotely accurate.
“The bottom line,” said Gottlieb, who also serves as TheGunMag.com publisher, “is that the people deserve an accurate revenue figure and the city stubbornly does not want to release it. Their argument that this is a taxpayer privacy issue just went up in smoke. We believe their reluctance to reveal a revenue figure has far more to do with the potential embarrassment of having been disastrously optimistic about the money they’d realize from what amounts to a gun control tax. We’re hopeful the court finds in our favor and forces the city to stop playing hide-and-seek.”
Attorneys Steven Fogg and David Edwards, with Corr Cronin Michelson, Baumgardner Fogg & Moore LLP represent SAF and TheGunMag.com in this case, and also represent SAF, the National Rifle Association and National Shooting Sports Foundation in a challenge to the gun tax that has been referred to the state Supreme Court. The tax is being challenged as a violation of the 34-year-old state preemption act.
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This tax is was designed to basically bankrupt gun businesses within city limits.

If I'm not mistaken, there is only one store that still sells firearms within the city. Could be wrong though.

Seattle gonna Seattle. Would love to be somewhere else. 
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:56:04 PM EST
Double it? Why not triple it?

Do the same thing with minimum wage!

It will work this time!

Can't we just deport these idiots to the socialist wonder land of Venezuela?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:01:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By rb889:
"Because men are rapists, and only men can be rapists, of course, because a woman cannot possibly rape a man, we should tax every man for having testicles, and tax them again based on the size of their penis.

Why? Well, some men rape women. So all men should be taxed to discourage them from raping and convince them to get their balls chopped off so they can't rape anyone."

Same argument and logic as the so-called "gun violence tax."
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We have that already.
It's called "income tax" and it's paid by people who have jobs

Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:02:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By carguym14:
Something very bad should happen to people that propose this shit.............
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Tar, feathers, fence rail. Apply as required
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:04:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
Does everyone just go to Tacoma now?
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Marys Pistols in Tacoma is the place
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:06:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gwitness:


Marys Pistols in Tacoma is the place
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I asked about a transfer and got an angry lecture about how they know what guns are worth and I'd better not try to cheat on claimed values for sales taxes. Only time I went there. No intention of returning.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:08:44 PM EST
The "gun" violence epidimic is real, but in this case it's not being caused by guns. See if you can find what these cities have in common:

These are per 100,000 people. They were made by someone defending Chicago as being "far from the worst gun violence city."





Article with more detail


Earlier this year, The Trace explored how “murder inequality” leaves black residents of some economically isolated neighborhoods in starkly disproportionate danger of getting shot. Contributor Daniel Kay Hertz found that in two Chicago neighborhoods — Burnside and Fuller Park — the homicide rate was more than 100 per 100,000 residents, more than five times the city average.

In St. Louis, 45 percent of shootings this year have been clustered in just eight neighborhoods, according to police data.
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Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:14:32 PM EST
Surplus Arms and Ammo has been alright and WGS Guns is pretty good too if you don't mind making the trip down I-5 to Lakewood.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:18:34 PM EST
That should do it.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:20:59 PM EST
If they drive the one gun store out of town, where will they get their tax revenue?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:23:01 PM EST
Hamburgers, fries and pizza kill more people than guns, let's tax those.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:24:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By smithc6:
So not only did this not solve any gun violence, he wants to increase it because it wasnt enough revenue to fund his pet projects, so he can drive away even more business. This coupled with their living wage BS and I give that city 10 years before its another Detroit.
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That's the ultimate goal. To drive gun businesses out of the city (or out of business). It has nothing to do with "violence research."
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:25:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Skunkhunter:
If they drive the one gun store out of town, where will they get their tax revenue?
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See above.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:26:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Bellevue or Renton.
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Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
Does everyone just go to Tacoma now?
Bellevue or Renton.
Ha! I used to live in Renton.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:27:11 PM EST
Outdoor Emporium is the only gun shop that I can think of within the city limits. Am I wrong? It won't belong before they stop selling guns/ammo there.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:27:57 PM EST
2x0=0
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:31:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cruuzrr:
The entire "Tax" thing has gotten ridiculously out of hand; gun tax, sin tax, soda tax, luxury tax, yadda yadda. Then we have situations where cities that have a dollar shortfall and/or unexpected infrastructure upgrade funding shortfall, so they vote in a property tax hike. Of course after that property tax get approved and implemented the owned property value miraculously gets surveyed and goes up shortly after, therefore raising taxed value again. Taxed left and right this crap needs to be simplified and limited. I also think taxes should not be used to try to discourage purchases that some leftist voting board doesn't agree with.
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Yep


Problem is,the vast majority of people aren't for freedom.Sure,they will say they are,but when it comes down to it,almost everyone has a petty tyrant inside waiting to get out.

Tobacco/cigarette taxes are a great example. (I don't use any tobacco products-never have and never will).

I don't smoke,vape,drink soda,drink alcohol,__________,so what do I care if they tax the shit out of it?Someday,they WILL get to taxing something you like.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:32:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jcncc:
Hamburgers, fries and pizza kill more people than guns, let's tax those.
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Michael Bloomberg,is that you??
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:36:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gwitness:
Tar, feathers, fence rail. Apply as required
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Originally Posted By carguym14:
Something very bad should happen to people that propose this shit.............
Tar, feathers, fence rail. Apply as required
That should have NEVER gone out of style.

"Hey,what happened to that guy that wanted to do a gun violence tax?"

"Last I saw him,he was covered in hot tar and feathers and headed out of town in a box car............"


Maybe the ones that came after would think twice,or stick with running the local HOA like a mini dictator.

But alas,it's not to be.We're screwed........
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:46:24 PM EST
Because there are what, one gun shop in Seattle?

They all closed or moved.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:48:35 PM EST
I'm surprised they haven't started a soda tax.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:51:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
I'm surprised they haven't started a soda tax.
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The mayor has been pushing it. He proposed taxing diet soda also, for racial justice.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:16:40 PM EST
Someone should explain to this idiot if you double the tax you will half the sales. Leaving them with the same amount of tax revenue.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:24:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By arjim:
Someone should explain to this idiot if you double the tax you will half the sales. Leaving them with the same amount of tax revenue.
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That claim has no basis in fact.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:55:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By carguym14:
Something very bad should happen to people that propose this shit.............
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What about the ones that uphold it?
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