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Posted: 3/6/2006 8:20:12 PM EDT
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Now this might seem nuts....

But from what my sister told me about UChicago, they have very conservative economic policies and very liberal policies on everything else.

Those of you out there that are Republicans can probably only identify with some of this, and those of you that are Libertarians might appreciate the facts that are spelled out in this article.

After reading it, I'm pretty proud of my sister for going to UChicago. What do you guys think?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:26:28 PM EDT
You want an education...go to UChicago

You want to be indoctrinated...go to Harvard...or Yale...or Columbia...or Princeton...or Uof Colorado or etc ...etc...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:31:23 PM EDT
All of Pinochet's advisors were educated at UChicago.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:33:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Nephilim:
You want an education...go to UChicago



I do want an education, but unfortunately, my sister got the brains, so she goes there.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:37:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Nephilim:
You want an education...go to UChicago

You want to be indoctrinated...go to Harvard...or Yale...or Columbia...or Princeton...or Uof Colorado or etc ...etc...



Hardly....My father is a Professor at Harvard Med School....he traind, was educated and grew up in good ole mid west USA. They have done nothing to change his staunch conservative views, in fact as he puts it, "they need more of us, out there" So while most of you, think its all liberals, there are some GOP stalwarts who do add something to the pot. More of there grad schools have more GOP supporters then you might know...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:41:09 PM EDT
UChicago is probably the leading school for social sciences in the US. They've also got formidable schools of law, economics, political science/political philosophy and mathematics.

It is known as a school for grinds. It's unofficial motto is "Where fun goes to die".
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:47:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cold:

Originally Posted By Nephilim:
You want an education...go to UChicago

You want to be indoctrinated...go to Harvard...or Yale...or Columbia...or Princeton...or Uof Colorado or etc ...etc...



Hardly....My father is a Professor at Harvard Med School....he traind, was educated and grew up in good ole mid west USA. They have done nothing to change his staunch conservative views, in fact as he puts it, "they need more of us, out there" So while most of you, think its all liberals, there are some GOP stalwarts who do add something to the pot. More of there grad schools have more GOP supporters then you might know...



Proves how much of the article you read.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 8:49:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cold:

Originally Posted By Nephilim:
You want an education...go to UChicago

You want to be indoctrinated...go to Harvard...or Yale...or Columbia...or Princeton...or Uof Colorado or etc ...etc...



Hardly....My father is a Professor at Harvard Med School....he traind, was educated and grew up in good ole mid west USA. They have done nothing to change his staunch conservative views, in fact as he puts it, "they need more of us, out there" So while most of you, think its all liberals, there are some GOP stalwarts who do add something to the pot. More of there grad schools have more GOP supporters then you might know...



I hope you weren't home taught.

Although, I understand where you're coming from...most of the country feels that our higher institutions have been infiltrated by liberal influence.


Props to your Dad though.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:23:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Nephilim:

Originally Posted By Cold:

Originally Posted By Nephilim:
You want an education...go to UChicago

You want to be indoctrinated...go to Harvard...or Yale...or Columbia...or Princeton...or Uof Colorado or etc ...etc...



Hardly....My father is a Professor at Harvard Med School....he traind, was educated and grew up in good ole mid west USA. They have done nothing to change his staunch conservative views, in fact as he puts it, "they need more of us, out there" So while most of you, think its all liberals, there are some GOP stalwarts who do add something to the pot. More of there grad schools have more GOP supporters then you might know...



I hope you weren't home taught.

Although, I understand where you're coming from...most of the country feels that our higher institutions have been infiltrated by liberal influence.


Props to your Dad though.



nit pick, like I care, Im not "home schooled" and yea I make typos like everyone else in the world and NO I dont proof read anything I post on here. My time is spend alot better else where, once in awhile I see something which at least neededs defending, so I stated my point, thats all I got, take it or leave it, its all opinion here anyways. if you wana know where I went to school, well, I can post it, but Id hate to make you feel like an ass...
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:46:55 PM EDT
Harvard for connections, uChicago for knowledge. Which do you think will be more useful in ten years?

I'd pick Harvard.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:54:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:
Harvard for connections, uChicago for knowledge. Which do you think will be more useful in ten years?

I'd pick Harvard.



Yes, because no one who went to UChicago ever gained any position of importance.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:01:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:
All of Pinochet's advisors were educated at UChicago.



Incorrect. 'The Chicago Boys' were only his economists.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:03:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:
All of Pinochet's advisors were educated at UChicago.



Incorrect. 'The Chicago Boys' were only his economists.



Well, close enough for the internet anyway.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:03:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:
Harvard for connections, uChicago for knowledge. Which do you think will be more useful in ten years?

I'd pick Harvard.



Yes, because no one who went to UChicago ever gained any position of importance.



You know what? You're right! uChicago grads have achieved so much more than Harvard grads that Harvard has just faded right into the background. Nobody pays any attention to Harvard anymore, the name is barely recognizable.

Of course, how could it be otherwise?
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:06:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:
Harvard for connections, uChicago for knowledge. Which do you think will be more useful in ten years?

I'd pick Harvard.



Yes, because no one who went to UChicago ever gained any position of importance.



You know what? You're right! uChicago grads have achieved so much more than Harvard grads that Harvard has just faded right into the background. Nobody pays any attention to Harvard anymore, the name is barely recognizable.

Of course, how could it be otherwise?



You do realize that I still frequently run into alumni even from the crummy little state school were I got my B.S., right? You don't have to go to Harvard to benefit from an alumni network.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:09:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:
Harvard for connections, uChicago for knowledge. Which do you think will be more useful in ten years?

I'd pick Harvard.



Yes, because no one who went to UChicago ever gained any position of importance.



You know what? You're right! uChicago grads have achieved so much more than Harvard grads that Harvard has just faded right into the background. Nobody pays any attention to Harvard anymore, the name is barely recognizable.

Of course, how could it be otherwise?



You do realize that I still frequently run into alumni even from the crummy little state school were I got my B.S., right? You don't have to go to Harvard to benefit from an alumni network.



Yea, except while your alumni run medium-sized corporations, Harvard alums run the fucking world.

Spoken by a guy whose alma mater graduates film stars and failed artists.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:17:57 AM EDT
Since this thread is going rapidly down the shitter thanks to me and a couple of others, I'll make a post and try to redeem it partially.

UChicago not only is recognized for social sciences, but has an excellent biological sciences division. They are excellent in physics...where was the first nuclear reactor built?... and computer science and were one of the first to do research in aritifical intelligence. It is a wonderful university. One of the big boys, for certain. Major congratulations to your sister for getting in.

Chicago the city sucks, but then so does Boston.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:20:45 AM EDT
Luis W. Alvarez S.B. 1932 Nobel Prize, Physics 1968
Martin Kamen S.B. 1933 radiochemist, U. of California (disc. Carbon 14)
Herman Goldstine S.B. 1933 mathematician, Moore School (1st elect. computer)
Paul A. Samuelson A.B. 1935 Nobel Prize, Economics 1970
Herbert C. Brown S.B. 1936 Nobel Prize, Chemistry 1979
Herbert A. Simon A.B. 1936 Nobel Prize, Economics 1978
Martin Gardner A.B. 1936 columnist, Scientific American
Joseph Axelrod A.B. 1937 humanities, education, SFSU
William H. McNeill A.B. 1938 historian, Univ. of Chicago
Katharine Graham A.B. 1938 publisher, Washington Post
Saul Bellow Ex. 1939 Nobel Prize, Literature 1976
John Paul Stevens A.B. 1941 justice, Supreme Court
Jack Steinberger S.B. 1942 Nobel Prize, Physics 1988
George J. Stigler S.B. 1942 Nobel Prize, Economics 1982
John Johnson Ex. 1942 founder, Ebony
Patrick Suppes S.B. 1943 logician, Stanford
Bernard Sahlins A.B. 1943 founder, Second City actors troup
Richard Collins PhB 1946 composer, author
Edward C. Hobbs PhB 1946 theologian, Berkeley, Radcliff, Harvard
James Watson PhB 1946 Quiz Kid; Nobel Prize, Physiology 1962 (DNA)

David Broder A.B. 1947 journalist, Washington Post
Robert McCormick Adams PhB 1947 secretary, Smithsonian Inst.
Harry M. Markowitz PhB 1947 Nobel Prize, Economics 1990
Irwin Rose A.B. 1948 Nobel Prize, Chemistry 2004
Richard C. Atkinson PhB. 1948 president, Univ. of California
George Steiner A.B. 1948 essayist
Don Finkel Ex. 1948 poet, George Washington Univ. in St. Louis
Robert H. Bork A.B. 1948 federal judge
Donald Osterbrock PhB 1948 astronomer, Lick Observatory
Anil Nerode A.B. 1949 mathematician, logician, Cornell
Allan Bloom A.B. 1949 social critic, student of Leo Strauss
Seth Benardete A.B. 1949 scholar of Plato & Greek drama, student of Leo Strauss, NYU
Richard Rorty A.B. 1949 philosopher, Stanford
Leo Treitler A.B. 1950 musicologist, CUNY
Alan Fern A.B. 1950 director, National Portrait Gallery
John Schultz A.B. 1950 superintendent, Lick Observatory
Severn Darden A.B. 1950 actor ("The President's Analyst")
Eunice Kennedy Ex. 1950 the president's sister
Jerome I. Friedman A.B. 1950 Nobel Prize, Physics 1990

Amélie Oksenberg Rorty A.B. 1951 philosopher, Brandeis
Susan Sontag A.B. 1951 novelist, filmmaker
Gerald Wasserburg S.B. 1951 scientist, Cal Tech & NASA
Emanuel Savas A.B. 1951 ass. sec. of HUD; prof. CUNY
Paul Sills A.B. 1951 co-founder Compass Players, Second City
Gonzalo de Lozada A.B. 1952 president of Bolivia
Howard Howland A.B. 1952 vision physiologist, Cornell
A. Steven McGrade A.B. 1953 philosophy, Cambridge Univ., expert on Wm. of Ockham
Skee Farnsworth Ex. 1953 pop musician, audio engineer
Mike Nichols Ex. 1953 actor, director
Joel Kupperman A.B. 1954 Quiz Kid; philosophy, Connecticut
Elaine May A.B. ? actress
Carl Sagan A.B. 1954 astronomer
Philip Glass A.B. 1956 composer
Lynn Margulis A.B. 1957 evolutionary biologist
Seymour Hersh A.B. 1958 investigative reporter (My Lai, Perle, Abu Ghraib), NYT, New Yorker
Philip Kaufman A.B. 1958 movie director, The Right Stuff
Leon Kass S.B. 1958 [neo-con] chair, President's Council on Bioethics
Robert E. Lucas A.B. 1959 Nobel Prize, Economics 1995
Adamantios Androutsopoulos Ex. 1959 prime minister of Greece
Ferdinand Sax A.B. 1962 professional student
Clinton Joseph Davisson S.B. 1909 Nobel Prize, Physics 1937
Edwin Hubble S.B. 1910 astronomer
Roy Grinker, Sr. S.B. 1921 psychoanalist
John Gunther PhB 1922 journalist ("Inside Europe")
H. D. Lasswell S.B. 1922 political scientist
Henry Steele Commager PhB 1923 historian
Perry Miller A.B. 1928 historian, Harvard ("The New England Mind")
James T. Farrell S.B. 1929 novelist
Robert R. Palmer PhB 1931 historian
John Scopes Ex. 1931 high-school science teacher ("Monkey Trial"), geologist
Edward Levi A.B. 1932 U.S. attorney general
Studs Terkel PhB 1932 author, radio host
Larry Ellison Ex. 1966 CEO, Oracle
Michael Powell Ex. 1968 founder, Powell's Books
Dan Hertzberg A.B. 1968 managing editor, Wall Street Journal
Karen Katen A.B. 1970 president of Pfizer
Frank Wilczek A.B. 1970 Nobel Prize, Physics 2004
Paul Volberding A.B. 1971 AIDS researcher
Robert Pirsig "Zen and Art of Motorcycle" novelist
Tom Campbell A.B. 1973 congressman, California
Casey Cowell A.B. 1975 founder U.S. Robotics
Michael Sugrue A.B. 1979 historian, Princeton
John Podhoretz A.B. 1982 [neo con] editor, New York Post, student of Leo Strauss
David Auburn A.B. 1991 playwright ("Proof")
Joshua Cooper Ramo A.B. 1992 senior editor, Time
Robert S. Mulliken Ph.D. 1921 Nobel Prize, Chemistry 1966
William Sheldon Jr. Ph.D. 1926, M.D. 1934 theory of body types
Saunders Mac Lane S.M. 1931 mathematician (category theory)

Norman Maclean Ph.D. 1940 author
David Rockefeller Ph.D. 1940 banker
Roger W. Sperry Ph.D. 1941 Nobel Prize, Physiology 1981
Fred Ikle M.A. 1948, Ph.D. 1950 U.S. undersecretray of state for policy
Marvin L. Goldberger Ph.D. 1948 dir., Institute for Advanced Study
Chen Ning Yang Ph.D. 1948 Nobel Prize, Physics 1957
Owen Chamberlain Ph.D. 1949 Nobel Prize, Physics 1959
Andrew Marshall A.M. 1949 dir., Office of Net Assessment, Dept. of Defense
James M. Buchanan Jr. Ph.D. 1948 Nobel Prize, Economics 1986
Daniel E. Koshland Ph.D. 1949 editor, Science
Ramsey Clark A.M. 1950, J.D. 1951 U.S. attorney general
Tsung-Dao Lee Ph.D. 1950 Nobel Prize, Physics 1957
Peter G. Peterson MBA 1951 U.S. secretary of commerce
Abner J. Mikva J.D. 1951 congressman, Illinois
Patsy Mink J.D. 1951 congresswoman, Hawaii
F. Sherwood Rowland S.M. 1951, Ph.D. 1952 Nobel Prize, Chemistry 1995
Beryl Sprinkel MBA 1952 chair, Council of Economic Advisors
James Cronin S.M. 1953, Ph.D. 1955 Nobel Prize, Physics 1980
Gary Becker A.M. 1953, Ph.D. 1955 Nobel Prize, Economics 1992
Paul Cohen S.M. 1954, Ph.D. 1958 mathematician (indep. of continuum hyp.)
Philip Roth A.M. 1955 novelist
William Dement M.D. 1955, Ph.D. 1958 physiologist (REM sleep)
Kenneth Dam J.D. 1957 dep. secretary, U.S. Treasury and State Dept.
James Hormel J.D. 1958 U.S. ambassador to Luxembourg
Mildred Dresselhaus Ph.D. 1959 carbon physicist, MIT
James F. Hoge Jr. A.M. 1961 editor, Foreign Affairs
Henry Bienen A.M. 1962, Ph.D. 1966 president, Northwestern Univ.

Daniel C. Tsui S.M. 1963, Ph.D. 1967 Nobel Prize, Physics 1998
Myron Scholes MBA 1964, Ph.D. 1970 Nobel Prize, Economics 1997
Abram Shulsky M.A. 1966, Ph.D. 1972 [neo-con] dir., Pentagon Off. of Special Plans, student of Leo Strauss & Allan Bloom
John Ashcroft J.D. 1967 [neo-con] U.S. attorney general
Ahmed Chalabi Ph.D. 1969 [neo-con] leader, Iraqi Nat. Cong., student of Wolfstetter
Donald Carl Johanson A.M. 1970, Ph.D. 1974 anthropologist, discovered "Lucy"
Ronald Calinger Ph.D. 1971 historian of mathematics
Kurt Vonnegut Jr. A.M. 1971 novelist
Ralph Neas J.D. 1971 president, People for the American Way
Paul D. Wolfowitz Ph.D. 1972 [neo-con] U.S. dep. sec. of def., student of Wohlstetter, Leo Strauss, & Allan Bloom
Carol Moseley Braun J.D. 1972 U.S. senator
Jon S. Corzine MBA 1973 U.S. senator
Brad Cox Ph.D. 1973 computer scientist (Objective-C language)
Marc Seifer M.A. 1974 biographer of Nikola Tesla
Michael Mobbs J.D. 1974 advisor, Dept. of Defense Detainee Policy Group
William J. Bennett J.D. 1975 [neo-con] U.S. secretary of education
Gary Schmitt M.A. 1976, Ph.D. 1980 [neo-con] exec. dir., Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
David Kessler J.D. 1978 commissioner, U.S. Food & Drug Admin.
Zalmay Khalilzad Ph.D. 1978 [neo-con] counsellor to Sec. Rumsfeld, ambas. Afghanistan, student of Wohlstetter
Gary Edson J.D. 1982 Deputy National Security Advisor to Pres. Bush
John Grunsfeld S.M. 1984, Ph.D. 1988 NASA astronaut
James C. Ho J.D. 1999 [neo-con] Justice Dept., wrote opinion that Taliban/al-Qaeda outside Geneva Conv.


Yep, UChicago graduates never accomplish anything.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:21:18 AM EDT
Where did the first nuclear bomb come from? Yep, thanks.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:30:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:


Chicago the city sucks, but then so does Boston.



you got that right brother!

also, U Chicago and Harvard are both top ten law schools, at least they were when I applied to Law school, so needless to say, from what I know about U Chi and I know alot about the other, they are both fine places which graduate fine students, generally speaking of course.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:33:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:
Since this thread is going rapidly down the shitter thanks to me and a couple of others, I'll make a post and try to redeem it partially.

UChicago not only is recognized for social sciences, but has an excellent biological sciences division. They are excellent in physics...where was the first nuclear reactor built?... and computer science and were one of the first to do research in aritifical intelligence. It is a wonderful university. One of the big boys, for certain. Major congratulations to your sister for getting in.

Chicago the city sucks, but then so does Boston.



My flippant comment was not to be disparaging to your school. It's just that while scientists and engineers are great, Harvard disproportionately graduates the guys that write their paychecks. Or run the world bank. It's absurd. And apparently according to the piece, also the guys that write about their alumni.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:35:42 AM EDT
Go where the wealthy kids go. They will be starting the companies and looking for people and their daddies will own and/or run their own companies.

It's like Stanford vs. Berkeley. Both schools are about equal as far as academics and prominence, yet Stanford has a machine for creating start-ups. Berkeley does not. The reason being is the Stanford kids are more likely to have access to start-up capital (at least the initial funding). It's not just because Stanford is closer to Silicon Valley, it's because the families of Stanford students generally have more money.

And when they are looking to create companies, they want to hire their peers. Think Sun. Yahoo!, Google, and many more. That’s why you go to Stanford if you can – the contacts.

That my 2 cents.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:37:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 12:39:44 AM EDT by Big_Louie]

Originally Posted By mmx1:

Originally Posted By Big_Louie:
Since this thread is going rapidly down the shitter thanks to me and a couple of others, I'll make a post and try to redeem it partially.

UChicago not only is recognized for social sciences, but has an excellent biological sciences division. They are excellent in physics...where was the first nuclear reactor built?... and computer science and were one of the first to do research in aritifical intelligence. It is a wonderful university. One of the big boys, for certain. Major congratulations to your sister for getting in.

Chicago the city sucks, but then so does Boston.



My flippant comment was not to be disparaging to your school. It's just that while scientists and engineers are great, Harvard disproportionately graduates the guys that write their paychecks. Or run the world bank. It's absurd. And apparently according to the piece, also the guys that write about their alumni.



Well, I won't argue with you about the school where I got my B.S. You might be right on that one. But, look over that list of UChicago graduates and see who's running the world now. It looks like about half of President Bush's advisors did some time there and I see more than a few CEOs as well.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:37:23 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/7/2006 7:47:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Nephilim:
You want an education...go to UChicago

You want to be indoctrinated...go to Harvard...or Yale...or Columbia...or Princeton...or Uof Colorado or etc ...etc...


+1, at least on Harvard. I've taken classes there, and their undergrad program frankly sucks. My classes at another local university were far more demanding.
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