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Posted: 9/5/2005 1:08:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:12:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:16:20 PM EDT
No Serenity/Firefy.

Hmmm, a few others are missing too.

Cool though!


ByteTheBullet (-:
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:18:03 PM EDT
Thanks for the link. It's great, and I've already forwarded it to my sci fi daughter.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:19:24 PM EDT
I think they should throw in the ships from Dune and was the Eagle from Space 1999 on there?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:22:04 PM EDT
Holy shit that star wars ship is huge!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:24:53 PM EDT
I agree, the ships in Star Wars really are more in the realm of fantasy then anything else...I mean, a super star destoryer would have a mass greater then Mars's moon Phobos.

I think B5 had the best ships of any scifi series, realisitc and cool. Actually that's true of B5 in general.

Trek is cool as well, but the ship designed with the saucer on a stick has never made any sense to me.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:26:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Very cool.

I think the star wars ships are more fantasy however.



As opposed to reality?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:40:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
I agree, the ships in Star Wars really are more in the realm of fantasy then anything else...I mean, a super star destoryer would have a mass greater then Mars's moon Phobos.

I think B5 had the best ships of any scifi series, realisitc and cool. Actually that's true of B5 in general.

Trek is cool as well, but the ship designed with the saucer on a stick has never made any sense to me.



Unless Phobos is really fricking small, explain to me how a super star destroyed 17 miles long has more mass than a moon.

Also, http://stardestroyer.net/ has quite a bit of work on physics, mainly focusing on Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars, while as unrealistic and fantastic as any other sci-fi series, has pretty good practical groundings. Star Trek, on the other hand, is pure fantasy. Any real engineer, scientist, or government would go ballistic if some approved half the things the Star Trek universe finds no faults in. Not to mention their little socialist utopia thing they've got going.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:40:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By H3At:
Holy shit that star wars ship is huge!



That's sort of the upper limit to how big it might have been. When it is listed in books/games it is listed as 8000 meters, or five times as long as a regular star destroyed. However, the size in the picture comes from ROTJ where they show the SSD next to an ISD and the SSD appeared to be quite a bit larger than 8000 meters.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:47:00 PM EDT
That's great, the ship from Galaxy Quest is in there.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:54:27 PM EDT
no Dahak...
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:55:15 PM EDT
Some of those dimensions are made up (by whoever did that chart, not just by the creators of the shows). I recall, from the book 2001, that the Discovery was 700 feet long, making it more than 200 meters long. Furthermore, I have to go back and watch a fair bit of Deep Space Nine, there are a number of ships in there that I had forgotten about. Or simply hadn't seen. All in all, pretty damn cool.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:57:15 PM EDT
heh the space above and beyond ships are on there
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:57:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
I agree, the ships in Star Wars really are more in the realm of fantasy then anything else...I mean, a super star destoryer would have a mass greater then Mars's moon Phobos.

I think B5 had the best ships of any scifi series, realisitc and cool. Actually that's true of B5 in general.

Trek is cool as well, but the ship designed with the saucer on a stick has never made any sense to me.



Unless Phobos is really fricking small, explain to me how a super star destroyed 17 miles long has more mass than a moon.

Also, http://stardestroyer.net/ has quite a bit of work on physics, mainly focusing on Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars, while as unrealistic and fantastic as any other sci-fi series, has pretty good practical groundings. Star Trek, on the other hand, is pure fantasy. Any real engineer, scientist, or government would go ballistic if some approved half the things the Star Trek universe finds no faults in. Not to mention their little socialist utopia thing they've got going.



On the size issue I exagerated, a little bit, Phobos, on it's longest axis is only 27km long, and has a mas less then .0013 that of our moon. It's up for debate wether it's a captured asteroid or a chunk of mars blown off during one of the larger impacts, prehaps the one that cause the tharsis buldge.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:00:08 PM EDT
Uniform steel/titanium etc as would be used in ship construction (not to mention armour plate) is quite a bit more dense then aggregate matter including high amounts of silicates and other nonmetals.

Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:00:47 PM EDT
Now they need to add some more like.
I'd like to see the Goa'uld and Asgard ships from Stargate and the Zentraedi cruisers from SDF Macross. Maybe even the Sulaco from Aliens.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:05:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:05:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 2:11:40 PM EDT by Stryfe]

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
I agree, the ships in Star Wars really are more in the realm of fantasy then anything else...I mean, a super star destoryer would have a mass greater then Mars's moon Phobos.

I think B5 had the best ships of any scifi series, realisitc and cool. Actually that's true of B5 in general.

Trek is cool as well, but the ship designed with the saucer on a stick has never made any sense to me.



Unless Phobos is really fricking small, explain to me how a super star destroyed 17 miles long has more mass than a moon.


The poster shows the Executor at 17454 meters which works out to 17Km.

Phobos
diameter: 22.2 km (27 x 21.6 x 18.8)
mass: 1.08e16 kg

I couldn't find anything on the Mass of the SSD.
Though the written sources I've seen have made mention that they are very massive.
Just about anything would be speculation as it doesn't really exist.



other dimensions
If enough of the ship's side lengths and positions of the vertices were known, it might become possible to calculate the total volume approximately. That determination is not feasible at this time. Once the volume is known, the mass might be estimated, if we make some intelligent guesses about the average density of the ship's material. It is probably denser than air, simply because much of the ship contains air, and the Lusankya was not naturally buoyant in Coruscant's atmosphere. The average density is probably less than the density of an unadulterated heavy metal, because the ship's internal structure is a honeycomb of corridors, rooms, machinery and other air-filled or evacuated chambers. However the fuels of a warship have characteristics unknown to us at this time; if they are in exotic forms as energy-dense and mass-dense as those of the Death Stars then the total mass of fuels could exceed the dry weight of the ship.





Also, http://stardestroyer.net/ has quite a bit of work on physics, mainly focusing on Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars, while as unrealistic and fantastic as any other sci-fi series, has pretty good practical groundings. Star Trek, on the other hand, is pure fantasy. Any real engineer, scientist, or government would go ballistic if some approved half the things the Star Trek universe finds no faults in. Not to mention their little socialist utopia thing they've got going.


As a Star Wars fan, I must say that Star Wars has an absolutely lousy grounding in any real science. It's sword and sworcery in space. It's Fantasy.
The original Star Trek is much closer to reality than Star Wars.
The Star Trek franchise has fallen off a bit with all of the off shoots.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:09:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By H3At:
Holy shit that star wars ship is huge!



That's sort of the upper limit to how big it might have been. When it is listed in books/games it is listed as 8000 meters, or five times as long as a regular star destroyed. However, the size in the picture comes from ROTJ where they show the SSD next to an ISD and the SSD appeared to be quite a bit larger than 8000 meters.


Probably everything you could ever want to know about the SSD.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:12:29 PM EDT
Very interesting! Too bad I'll be dead long before we can build something like the super star destroyer... perhaps my son's grandchildren we be able to see something like that. How cool.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:17:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:
One GunStar could kick all their asses.


Greetings Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:19:02 PM EDT
Under the original starships from Star Trek it says "Constitution Class".
It should be Constellation Class.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:24:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:40:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ALLANJ:
Now they need to add some more like.
I'd like to see the Goa'uld and Asgard ships from Stargate and the Zentraedi cruisers from SDF Macross. Maybe even the Sulaco from Aliens.



Sulaco is over 385meters long
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:43:20 PM EDT
Haha, nice. It's even got the old-school Star Trek Doomsday Machine on there!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:47:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
I think B5 had the best ships of any scifi series, realisitc and cool. Actually that's true of B5 in general.



There mere fact it used Newtonian physics is shocking.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:55:00 PM EDT
"FARSCAPE" Represented

What no Scarren Dreadnaught
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 3:10:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Star Trek, on the other hand, is pure fantasy. Any real engineer, scientist, or government would go ballistic if some approved half the things the Star Trek universe finds no faults in.



The program has been cut (budget), but the NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program didn't smirk at Star Trek type technology. And the people who worked in the BPP lab are probably still working on the ideas, maybe with official support.

Jim
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 3:25:31 PM EDT
How can something be so cool and so geeky at the same time?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 3:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 3:28:14 PM EDT by HeavyMetal]
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 3:29:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 3:31:15 PM EDT by Phil_A_Steen]
And where are the Death Stars? At 120km and 160km, respectively, they are both bigger than all the other ships laid end-to-end.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 3:40:04 PM EDT
Man!! Cool diagram of size comparisons... Found Picards ship on there too...
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 4:16:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 4:33:34 PM EDT by Colonel_Kurtz]
I posted a similar site a while back:

Jeff Russells Starship Dimensions

Has the Halo Ring,Vger from Star Trek:The Motion Picture,The Dyson Sphere,Vorlon Planet Killer etc.

The only thing missing from either is a Magog Worldship.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:01:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GoGop:
Under the original starships from Star Trek it says "Constitution Class".
It should be Constellation Class.



No, it's Constitution. Constellation Class is the same class as the Stargazer, which looks nothing like Kirk's ship/s.


Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Star Trek, on the other hand, is pure fantasy. Any real engineer, scientist, or government would go ballistic if some approved half the things the Star Trek universe finds no faults in.



The program has been cut (budget), but the NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program didn't smirk at Star Trek type technology. And the people who worked in the BPP lab are probably still working on the ideas, maybe with official support.

Jim



Read the articles on Star Trek on stardestroyer.net. Star Trek's technology is so unrealistic that it's ridiculous.

Phasers are the exact OPPOSITE of ergonomic, practical, and intelligently designed, their ships are constantly in danger of being blown up when any little thing goes wrong, everything is centralized to a single computer that nearly kills the entire crew whenever it malfunctions, gets a virus, or is shut down, the holodeck goes on a homicidal rampage every other episode but never gets taken offline for being faulty technology, they have no ground military forces whatsoever (a bunch of goldshirts with women's shaving razors for weapons does not an army make), and the transporter is constantly going haywire. No modern engineer, scientist, or corporation would EVER approve the technology used in ST:TNG in its current state. If it isn't ridiculously unwieldy or poorly thought it, it gets extras killed on a regular basis!

Star Wars is, as I said, fantasy, just like Star Trek and every other sci-fi show. But the technology used is PRACTICAL. Ergonomic, powerful, and diverse small arms, armor, fighter craft, better warship designs (though if you can't see the design flaws in a Star Destroyer you're probably blind), troopers wear body armor with limited NBC capabilities, they use buttons and switches instead of dorky touchpads, and they actually PILOT their spacecraft instead of punching in a bunch of numbers and letting the ship do the flying.

That said, there are few things that will motivate me to break out the popcorn more than a good Star Trek marathon, especially the original series.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:05:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 8:08:58 PM EDT by HeavyMetal]
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:06:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:
Haha, nice. It's even got the old-school Star Trek Doomsday Machine on there!



The giant 'bulge snack' of death.



GAH!! I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT THOUGHT THAT!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:09:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:11:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:13:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Yes, Beagle Snacks!



Woof! [/postwhore]
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:16:18 PM EDT
How cool!

I'll admit to being greatly dsappointed with the Galactica, though.

BTW, I thought the ships from "V" were three MILES wide, not kilometers?

Or am I confusing those with those REDICULOUSLY huge things from Independence Day?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:16:50 PM EDT
No SG-1?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:17:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By H3At:
Holy shit that star wars ship is huge!



Hmm.. yes. And it is missing the Sphere O' Fear... Giant Hurt Ball... Death Moon... (Death Star )
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:17:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By go3:

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
I think B5 had the best ships of any scifi series, realisitc and cool. Actually that's true of B5 in general.



There mere fact it used Newtonian physics is shocking.




+1.1256357536876832434236
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:20:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
How cool!

I'll admit to being greatly dsappointed with the Galactica, though.

BTW, I thought the ships from "V" were three MILES wide, not kilometers?

Or am I confusing those with those REDICULOUSLY huge things from Independence Day?



I think ID4 was 15km
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:44:17 PM EDT
way cool....

tag
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:47:43 PM EDT
So, where is Spaceball 1?

-Steve
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:00:43 PM EDT
nice find!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:33:37 PM EDT
Where is the Red Dwarf?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:45:34 PM EDT
NERDS!





Yeah, but i like it, too.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:49:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:

Originally Posted By H3At:
Holy shit that star wars ship is huge!



Hmm.. yes. And it is missing the Sphere O' Fear... Giant Hurt Ball... Death Moon... (Death Star )



You mean the Deathticle?
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