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Posted: 10/27/2013 4:40:50 PM EDT
I've been wanting to build one for quite some time. I have a Anderson stripped 5.56 lower to build off but the parts required are confusing. Some take different hammers and no one mentions what mags they take. Does anyone make a complete kit with fairly cheap and plentiful mags?
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You will need a ramped bolt or 9mm hammer. I suggest a stock lower but change out the buffer for a heavy one.
You need a mag block. Most use Colt mags. The alternative is a dedicated 9mm lower like DDLES. You will want the deflector at the back of the ejection port. It helps keep gas out of your face, as does the normal gasbuster mods. That's about it. |
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Not sure I'd bother unless it was an SBR, but that's just me.
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Get a dedicated lower. As soon as I can get one I will be selling my mag block.
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I've got a Colt out of the box one. It runs good on C-products mags.
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I had one, SBR with a can.
Lots of reading and gnashing of teeth to get the gun 95% reliable. I sold the upper and bought a Noveske 300 BLK upper ETA: Wait for the new Sig 9mm rifle. It looks pretty cool and is definitely russeling my jimmy. |
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That is just damned sweet......DOE clone?
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Get stainless steel trigger and hammer pins, too. http://www.fototime.com/457D248EAA27AD2/medium800.jpg View Quote |
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I was going to build one but decided to wait for the MPX
Well 2 MPX going to run one as a pistol and SBR the other… Edit: beat me while I was typing |
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Notched 5.56 hammer needs to be used with a ramped bolt.
No-notch 5.56 hammer can be used with either a ramped or unramped bolt. No-notch 5.56 hammer + ramped bolt is the best, smoothest combo, IMO. I cant remember if the bolt ramp, or lack thereof, matters with a 9mm hammer. Ive never used one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Get stainless steel trigger and hammer pins, too. http://www.fototime.com/457D248EAA27AD2/medium800.jpg View Quote I like that a lot! |
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Here is what I have to offer on the subject.
To run the 9mm you need a mag block. A piece of metal that slides into the magazine well and accepts 9mm magazines if you look at the pictures of 9mm AR's you will see 3 pins in the magazine well - that is where the magwell has been drilled and the mag block pinned into place. I was not a fan - so I bought a Hahn Mag block from Brownells. there are two types of mag blocks, bottom loading ones (that have the potential to fall out of the mag well) and TOP LOADING mag blocks, that fit into the mag well from above while you have the upper and lower opened up - it can't fall out and worked great for me. If I wanted to go back to .223, I just took the upper off the rifle, pulled the mag block out, put on the 223 upper and that was it. |
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That is just damned sweet......DOE clone? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Get stainless steel trigger and hammer pins, too. http://www.fototime.com/457D248EAA27AD2/medium800.jpg Yes, 633 clone built with an original upper. |
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Anyone know if this is a top or bottom load mag block?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/163590/yankee-hill-machine-specter-upper-assembly-kit-ar-15-9mm-luger-16-barrel-1-in-14-twiste-matte-with-32-round-magazine I've heard of butting quarters under the buffer spring. What's up with that? |
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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but as a reloader, I don't see the advantage a 9mm AR has over a .223 or .300 Blackout AR. Granted I am in Illinois and suppressors are verboten, and we just got SBR's, so my perception is a little clouded versus you guys in free-er states.
If you don't reload, yeah, I could see where a 9mm AR would be cheaper to shoot than a .223 and especially a .300 Blackout. |
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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but as a reloader, I don't see the advantage a 9mm AR has over a .223 or .300 Blackout AR. Granted I am in Illinois and suppressors are verboten, and we just got SBR's, so my perception is a little clouded versus you guys in free-er states. If you don't reload, yeah, I could see where a 9mm AR would be cheaper to shoot than a .223 and especially a .300 Blackout. View Quote I agree, after extensively shooting one and being a reloader. There really isn't much cost difference to go with 556 loads, especially if you use pull down bullets and powder. Additionally you have to tinker with these for a while to get them to run. As many have mentioned, the sbr is really the optimal setup, but with the paperwork etc, I am dubious to it being really worth it. Honestly a glock 17 with a 33 round mag is a lot more fun. |
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I'm not interested in a sbr and I only reload wheel gun calibers. I just want a 9mm carbine that takes hi cap mags. I wanted a sub 2k until I handled one. I've got a spare lower and want it 9mm.
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Thought about it, decided im going to get a single shot in 357 or 44 instead so i can run a good suppressed pistol round
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That's my favorite configuration.............looks like a cool PDW
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Get stainless steel trigger and hammer pins, too. http://www.fototime.com/457D248EAA27AD2/medium800.jpg Yes, 633 clone built with an original upper. |
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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but as a reloader, I don't see the advantage a 9mm AR has over a .223 or .300 Blackout AR. Granted I am in Illinois and suppressors are verboten, and we just got SBR's, so my perception is a little clouded versus you guys in free-er states. If you don't reload, yeah, I could see where a 9mm AR would be cheaper to shoot than a .223 and especially a .300 Blackout. View Quote We hacked this out in the suppressor forum about 2 weeks ago. 9mm - quietest of the bunch. cheap ammo, great subsonic expansion but weak energy. 223 - loudest of the bunch. most common ammo, lots of flash/erosion 330blk - mid level sound signature. most expensive ammo of the 3, best ballistics out of a SBR. As far as short and quiet go, 9mm or 300blk are the better options. |
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Notched 5.56 hammer needs to be used with a ramped bolt. No-notch 5.56 hammer can be used with either a ramped or unramped bolt. No-notch 5.56 hammer + ramped bolt is the best, smoothest combo, IMO. I cant remember if the bolt ramp, or lack thereof, matters with a 9mm hammer. Ive never used one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote I don't think that combination even works. It doesn't on mine, anyway. I have a ramped bolt and I have to use a hammer without the notch, else the hammer just follows the bolt home when it cycles. |
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I'd like to do one at some point but I have a F/A 9mm SMG (not to mention several pistol cal carbines that need to be SBR'd and tinkered with) so it isnt too high on my priorities list.
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I have a dedicated Lone Wolf lower that uses glock magazines with a Rock River upper and bolt.
Runs 100%. Love it. |
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If running cheap mags is the goal then you can go Hahn magwell adapter and run Sten mags on an Oly patten upper. I have a friend that has that setup and it runs well.
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