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Posted: 5/2/2015 12:42:33 AM EDT
Its a good read....And a good read to give to people who think minimum wage hikes are a good idea.


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Link Posted: 5/2/2015 12:49:17 AM EDT
Progressive got what he wished for, no pity from me.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:02:36 AM EDT

The Owner said: “I was appalled!” he says. “My jaw dropped. Eighty-thousand a year! I didn’t know that. I thought we were talking a small amount of money, something I could absorb.”

How and the fuck are these liberal dumb asses even in business??? The first time I even heard breath of this suggestion, I had my accountant check to see what the impact would be to my business. This guy votes for the people who implemented the policy that will likely kill his business!! And did so without even checking it first.

I stand by my mantra... liberals are emotion feeling dumb-asses who never let the facts get in their way.

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:06:48 AM EDT
Elections have consequences asshole. He'll still vote the same way too.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:07:01 AM EDT
It'll never end. Never has, in thousands of years.

All you can do is wait for the pendulum to swing the other way.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:07:32 AM EDT
Just fire your employees. How hard is that?
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:15:47 AM EDT
Gee I wonder who he voted for? LOL
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:28:02 AM EDT
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“Despite being a progressive living in San Francisco, I do believe in capitalism. I’d like to have the market solve this problem.” That applies not just to his plight, but to the question of the minimum wage: “We’re for a living wage, for a minimum wage, in principle. . . . But I think any law that doesn’t look at whether people can pay may not be the best way to go.”
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In other words, "Rules for thee but not for me!!" Yup. Passes the libtard snifftest.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:30:38 AM EDT
comments at the end of the article are great
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:32:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
Just fire your employees. How hard is that?
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The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
Just fire your employees. How hard is that?
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Eventualy, .gov will eliminate the option of terminating employees. Who will pay for FSA if there are no employees? We must have employees.......



Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:38:18 AM EDT

lol
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:47:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jonathan2421:


The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.
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Originally Posted By jonathan2421:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Just fire your employees. How hard is that?


The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.

The Asian business model means the wife and kids work. I guess he can't apply that model.

It's tough to make it as a small business in liberal cities. Regulations strangle them and make them uncompetitive with the bigger box stores.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:48:50 AM EDT
There's a lot of misinformation in that article. Minimum wage in SF is already like 11.50. In addition, the $15.00 minimum wage doesn't go into effect for four years from the date that the law was enacted.
If you can afford to give your employee a .75 raise, your business probably wasn't economically viable to begin with.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 1:57:29 AM EDT
“Why,” he asks, “can’t two consenting people make arrangements for less than x dollars per hour?”
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Because you and your fellow travelers voted in a law that says you can't, ya fuckin' moron.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 2:07:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jonathan2421:


The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.
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Originally Posted By jonathan2421:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Just fire your employees. How hard is that?


The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.


His math doesnt work. Not even close to 80K increase. unless they are raising the minimum wage by at least $21 a hour more than the current pay.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 2:08:37 AM EDT
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"I'd like to have the market to solve this problem"

Tough shit, dumbass, you voted for the governement to do it, now you get to live with the consequences.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 2:09:23 AM EDT
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Let's just make it $100 an hour. Then those poor folks won't have to be on welfare or any other kind of Govt support. Not to mention, that even if prices were to go up, say $50 for a Big Mac....who cares when you're getting $100 an hour, right?

BTW.....seniors on SS or on fixed retirement funds will not get a pay raise. Call it......it's so that the Dems win the next election.

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 2:38:09 AM EDT
Dumb asses will continue to vote libtard.

the comments are pretty good
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 2:50:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevenH:


His math doesnt work. Not even close to 80K increase. unless they are raising the minimum wage by at least $21 a hour more than the current pay.
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Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By jonathan2421:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Just fire your employees. How hard is that?


The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.


His math doesnt work. Not even close to 80K increase. unless they are raising the minimum wage by at least $21 a hour more than the current pay.

80k total for everyone. Although he will actually need to sell a lot more because he has to pay for the inventory to sell that.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 3:03:32 AM EDT
I wonder if he figured in the increased SSI taxes those higher wages will cost him too?
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 3:07:13 AM EDT
Hibbs is not inclined to circumvent the market: “Despite being a progressive living in San Francisco, I do believe in capitalism. I’d like to have the market solve this problem.” That applies not just to his plight, but to the question of the minimum wage: “We’re for a living wage, for a minimum wage, in principle. . . . But I think any law that doesn’t look at whether people can pay may not be the best way to go.”

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Ha.

Ha.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 3:17:56 AM EDT
Meh. It can't be that hard to devise a comic book vending machine.

Fire everybody, close all the stores. Minimum wage hike wins again.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 3:29:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JUNG1999:
There's a lot of misinformation in that article. Minimum wage in SF is already like 11.50. In addition, the $15.00 minimum wage doesn't go into effect for four years from the date that the law was enacted.
If you can afford to give your employee a .75 raise, your business probably wasn't economically viable to begin with.
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Hey look Obama is posting in this thread!
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 3:32:15 AM EDT
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This story actually warmed my heart, reap what you sow, asshole. I can't wait until I have kids to help me run my business. Slave volunteer labor FTW.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 3:36:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jonathan2421:


The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.
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Originally Posted By jonathan2421:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Just fire your employees. How hard is that?


The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.


So he is working them 70 hours a week? He said they are open 10 hours a day 7 days a week. Even hippies wont work that much in a comic book store with out revolting.

He likely has 3-5 employees per store.

J-
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 4:53:26 AM EDT


First they came for the comic book stores....


Link Posted: 5/2/2015 5:51:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevenH:
His math doesnt work. Not even close to 80K increase. unless they are raising the minimum wage by at least $21 a hour more than the current pay.
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$11.25 to $15 is a raise of $3.95

Each store is open 7x10 so 3650 hours per year. That's $14,417.50 increased cost per store. He has two stores.

It's not $80K. But it's not chump change either.

Some good derp in his comments:

“We’re for a living wage, for a minimum wage, in principle. . . ."
Ok.
“Why,” he asks, “can’t two consenting people make arrangements for less than x dollars per hour?”
So you're not for minimum wage?
“There’s lots of room for the rich and the powerful,” Hibbs observes, “but, really, they’re not doing anything to help small business.”
Ah, so the evil rich corps can pay it but you shouldn't?

Classic liberal brain melt. "Lets give everyone more money. But not mine. Other people's. They have lots."
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 5:54:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6:

$11.25 to $15 is a raise of $3.75

Each store is open 7x10 so 3650 hours per year. That's $13,687.50 increased cost per store. He has two stores.

It's not $80K. But it's not chump change either.

Some good derp in his comments:

“We’re for a living wage, for a minimum wage, in principle. . . ."
Ok.
“Why,” he asks, “can’t two consenting people make arrangements for less than x dollars per hour?”
So you're not for minimum wage?
“There’s lots of room for the rich and the powerful,” Hibbs observes, “but, really, they’re not doing anything to help small business.”
Ah, so the evil rich corps can pay it but you shouldn't?

Classic liberal brain melt. "Lets give everyone more money. But not mine."
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
His math doesnt work. Not even close to 80K increase. unless they are raising the minimum wage by at least $21 a hour more than the current pay.

$11.25 to $15 is a raise of $3.75

Each store is open 7x10 so 3650 hours per year. That's $13,687.50 increased cost per store. He has two stores.

It's not $80K. But it's not chump change either.

Some good derp in his comments:

“We’re for a living wage, for a minimum wage, in principle. . . ."
Ok.
“Why,” he asks, “can’t two consenting people make arrangements for less than x dollars per hour?”
So you're not for minimum wage?
“There’s lots of room for the rich and the powerful,” Hibbs observes, “but, really, they’re not doing anything to help small business.”
Ah, so the evil rich corps can pay it but you shouldn't?

Classic liberal brain melt. "Lets give everyone more money. But not mine."


Which means he likely has several employees at each store.

J-
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 5:56:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jjc155:
Which means he likely has several employees at each store.
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So he can drop two of them and problem solved. (unless you're the guy getting dropped)

But he says "usually just one employee at each store at a time"

Unless there are five people in each store at the weekends then either the figure or the single-employee statement is erroneous and being used to exaggerate the impact.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 6:22:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By irishtech:
Progressive got what he wished for, no pity from me.
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Originally Posted By irishtech:
Progressive got what he wished for, no pity from me.


There's that FPNI thing again.

“Why,” he asks, “can’t two consenting people make arrangements for less than x dollars per hour?”


It's called "Abolish the minimum wage", dumbass.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 6:32:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 762moose:
It'll never end. Never has, in thousands of years.

All you can do is wait for the pendulum to swing the other way.
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honestly at this point my thoughts are something along the lines of let it all burn and let the strong willed survivors rebuild from the ashes..

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 6:48:17 AM EDT
Boo hoo hoo.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 6:51:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ogive:

The Owner said: "I was appalled!” he says. "My jaw dropped. Eighty-thousand a year! I didn’t know that. I thought we were talking a small amount of money, something I could absorb.”

How and the fuck are these liberal dumb asses even in business??? The first time I even heard breath of this suggestion, I had my accountant check to see what the impact would be to my business. This guy votes for the people who implemented the policy that will likely kill his business!! And did so without even checking it first.

I stand by my mantra... liberals are emotion feeling dumb-asses who never let the facts get in their way.

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It's baffling to me that a man who started and ran a successful business for a quarter of a century didn't understand how such a big jump in the minimum wage would affect his bottom line.


Link Posted: 5/2/2015 6:54:11 AM EDT
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It's baffling to me that a man who started and ran a successful business for a quarter of a century didn't understand how such a big jump in the minimum wage would affect his bottom line.



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Originally Posted By PROFESSORCHAOS:
Originally Posted By Ogive:

The Owner said: "I was appalled!” he says. "My jaw dropped. Eighty-thousand a year! I didn’t know that. I thought we were talking a small amount of money, something I could absorb.”

How and the fuck are these liberal dumb asses even in business??? The first time I even heard breath of this suggestion, I had my accountant check to see what the impact would be to my business. This guy votes for the people who implemented the policy that will likely kill his business!! And did so without even checking it first.

I stand by my mantra... liberals are emotion feeling dumb-asses who never let the facts get in their way.




It's baffling to me that a man who started and ran a successful business for a quarter of a century didn't understand how such a big jump in the minimum wage would affect his bottom line.





Some say that liberalism is a mental illness. I am starting to thin there is some validity to that argument
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It's baffling to me that a man who started and ran a successful business for a quarter of a century didn't understand how such a big jump in the minimum wage would affect his bottom line.

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Originally Posted By PROFESSORCHAOS:
Originally Posted By Ogive:

The Owner said: "I was appalled!” he says. "My jaw dropped. Eighty-thousand a year! I didn’t know that. I thought we were talking a small amount of money, something I could absorb.”

How and the fuck are these liberal dumb asses even in business??? The first time I even heard breath of this suggestion, I had my accountant check to see what the impact would be to my business. This guy votes for the people who implemented the policy that will likely kill his business!! And did so without even checking it first.

I stand by my mantra... liberals are emotion feeling dumb-asses who never let the facts get in their way.




It's baffling to me that a man who started and ran a successful business for a quarter of a century didn't understand how such a big jump in the minimum wage would affect his bottom line.




"But... The Government is here to help us! They would never do anything bad!!!"

You just don't have the right mindset.

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 7:01:23 AM EDT
“Why,” he asks, “can’t two consenting people make arrangements for less than x dollars per hour?”
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I swear I read this in Milton Friedman's voice.
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I swear I read this in Milton Friedman's voice.
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Homer Simpson is what sprang to my mind.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 7:04:35 AM EDT
I have a sudden urge to watch a Sonny Chiba marathon.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 7:11:12 AM EDT
He should just bring over family members from another country and make them work for next to nothing.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 7:16:07 AM EDT
Whaddayawannabet he moves the store out of SF?
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 7:18:06 AM EDT
Liberals Feel Things


Conservatives Know Things.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 7:56:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By irishtech:
Progressive got what he wished for, no pity from me.
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Link Posted: 5/2/2015 7:56:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevenH:


His math doesnt work. Not even close to 80K increase. unless they are raising the minimum wage by at least $21 a hour more than the current pay.
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Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By jonathan2421:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Just fire your employees. How hard is that?


The article says he has one person at each location all day, so firing employees means going out of business.


His math doesnt work. Not even close to 80K increase. unless they are raising the minimum wage by at least $21 a hour more than the current pay.

5 x 7.50 * 40 * 52 = 78000

He has 5 employees.
He's currently paying them 7.50, and the increase will be another $7.50 per hour.
He pays for 40 hours per week.
There are 52 hours in a year.
This example means he'll pay an additional $78,000 per year under his current model, when the new wage rate is enacted.
I may have dropped a few pennies here and there.

Although all of us at Borderlands support the concept of a living wage in princip[le] and we believe that it’s possible that the new law will be good for San Francisco — Borderlands Books as it exists is not a financially viable business if subject to that minimum wage. Consequently we will be closing our doors no later than March 31st.


San Francisco will become a ghost town. There will be a very few bistros open that are insanely expensive.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 7:57:49 AM EDT


We really want this, but we don't want to pay for it.
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We really want this, but we don't want to pay for it.
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Gosh, we'll just tax the fuck out of those eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil rich bastards! We all know they have rooms full of $100 bills stacked up to the ceiling!

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:06:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild:
Its a good read....And a good read to give to people who think minimum wage hikes are a good idea.


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Progressives don't care. Many times I've seen them presented with this kind of evidence, and their response is always, "if he can't afford to pay a living wage, then he doesn't deserve to be in business and it's only fair that he go broke."

They can't mentally reconcile the fact that his employees are then unemployed, but progressives don't care about that either.

It looks a lot like this...................

Originally Posted By JUNG1999:
There's a lot of misinformation in that article. Minimum wage in SF is already like 11.50. In addition, the $15.00 minimum wage doesn't go into effect for four years from the date that the law was enacted.
If you can afford to give your employee a .75 raise, your business probably wasn't economically viable to begin with.
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Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:09:21 AM EDT
All the store owners need to do is hire illegals. They'll work for much less!
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:11:16 AM EDT
Absolutely, Zero fucks given!

"77 percent of voters approved in November"

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:11:25 AM EDT
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All the store owners need to do is hire illegals. They'll work for much less!
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AND vote stupidcrat! Win-win!
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:13:02 AM EDT
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