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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:33:07 PM EDT
[#1]
Don't show your hand. I counter with, "what's the salary range?" If the salary range isn't in the right range, then there's not much point in continuing the conversation.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:34:03 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t do it, unless agreed salary was contingent on previous salary (IE: I will come for a 15% increase).
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:34:42 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t do it, unless agreed among salary was contingent on previous salary (IE: I will come for a 15% increase). Sounds smart |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:34:58 PM EDT
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Tell them your compensation is business sensitive information and you can't give that information out due to an agreement with your employer.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:36:17 PM EDT
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Don't show your hand. I counter with, "what's the salary range?" If the salary range isn't in the right range, then there's not much point in continuing the conversation. They want me to include it with my resume. I assume candidates are automatically excluded from the hiring process if they don't play ball. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:36:50 PM EDT
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I enjoy what I do, most of the time, but i have started looking into employment possibilities outside of my company. I found a staff account position where the employer wants a "Salary History". Is it just me, or does this scream " I want to see if i can low ball you before we even consider you for an interview"? A salary history is sort of that. It's to see if you are trying to snowball them. I can tell you what your salary is +/-10% fairly easily with the info on your application (namely ssn and address). If you said you make $80k and only really make $50k red flags go off. Also, current salary plus 5-20% is your market price they know they can get you for. Sometimes you deviate slightly from that...but it's a good rule of thumb. If you are interested in the position, be honest...cause a lie here will surely d/q you. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:37:00 PM EDT
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Tell them your compensation is business sensitive information and you can't give that information out due to an agreement with your employer. I do like this idea. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:37:40 PM EDT
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Don't show your hand. I counter with, "what's the salary range?" If the salary range isn't in the right range, then there's not much point in continuing the conversation. Bahahaha....they already know your salary bud. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:37:41 PM EDT
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They want me to include it with my resume. I assume candidates are automatically excluded from the hiring process if they don't play ball. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't show your hand. I counter with, "what's the salary range?" If the salary range isn't in the right range, then there's not much point in continuing the conversation. They want me to include it with my resume. I assume candidates are automatically excluded from the hiring process if they don't play ball. I'd exclude it. If they are that hung up on salary, do you really want to work for them? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:38:17 PM EDT
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I have no problem telling a company I am applying to what my CURRENT salary is.
And I have no problem making up a number that sounds good. F'em. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:40:21 PM EDT
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Bahahaha....they already know your salary bud. Then why ask? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:41:21 PM EDT
[#12]
even if they ask for proof, nothing a little photoshop cant do
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:43:23 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t do it, unless agreed among salary was contingent on previous salary (IE: I will come for a 15% increase). Sounds smart Yep. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:43:36 PM EDT
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Then why ask? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bahahaha....they already know your salary bud. Then why ask? Read my previous reply. It's a test of your honesty. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:44:40 PM EDT
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Tell them you are bound by a confidentiality agreement and you cannot disclose your employers salary bands.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:45:26 PM EDT
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Your asking salary is your asking salary. Don't accept less than your bottom line.
Know your market worth and ask for it. I don't see the problem. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:46:05 PM EDT
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Tell them you are bound by a confidentiality agreement and you cannot disclose your employers salary bands. They didn't ask him to disclose his employer's salary ranges. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:46:38 PM EDT
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Tell them you are bound by a confidentiality agreement and you cannot disclose your employers salary bands. My God we are getting some GD gold in this thread. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:47:31 PM EDT
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They didn't ask him to disclose his employer's salary ranges. If they interview 3-4 employees from the same company they have affectively identified a competitors salary band. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:49:21 PM EDT
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Bahahaha....they already know your salary bud. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't show your hand. I counter with, "what's the salary range?" If the salary range isn't in the right range, then there's not much point in continuing the conversation. Bahahaha....they already know your salary bud. This isn't necessarily true. I work in an industry with pretty high compensation. A friend went to work in another industry and they asked her what her current salary was. She said "it's not important and my previous industry isn't this industry and I know I'm taking a pay cut". They kept pushing and she told them. She said it was pretty funny. She got the job and is really happy. how do they already know? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:50:47 PM EDT
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Tell them, "I don't have much of a history with it.....Maybe 6-7 times in my life and usually dipped in ranch or peanut butter.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:50:49 PM EDT
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If they interview 3-4 employees from the same company they have effectively identified a competitors salary band. No - they really haven't. Salary ranges can be very broad and based on a large number of factors. In any case - its a transparent BS gambit that 99% of people will stumble through and look just like they are full of it. Lying in an interview is a good way to waste 1-2 hours. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:51:14 PM EDT
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A salary history is sort of that. It's to see if you are trying to snowball them. I can tell you what your salary is +/-10% fairly easily with the info on your application (namely ssn and address). If you said you make $80k and only really make $50k red flags go off. Also, current salary plus 5-20% is your market price they know they can get you for. Sometimes you deviate slightly from that...but it's a good rule of thumb. If you are interested in the position, be honest...cause a lie here will surely d/q you. Serious Q, how does a name and SSN get you within 10% of current salary? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:51:36 PM EDT
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Don't show your hand. I counter with, "what's the salary range?" If the salary range isn't in the right range, then there's not much point in continuing the conversation. That's a better idea. Also, you should be able to find salary ranges for accountants in your area. So you should know what to expect going in. This is expecially useful if salary is why you are leaving. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:51:52 PM EDT
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They want me to include it with my resume. I assume candidates are automatically excluded from the hiring process if they don't play ball. Would you really want to work for someone like this? Requirements like these really piss me off because they assume you are being compensated properly in the first place-if you were happy with the pay relative to your responsibility level, you wouldn't be looking for a different job! |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:53:45 PM EDT
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even if they ask for proof, nothing a little photoshop cant do And when they find out down the line they can fire you whenever they want |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:54:36 PM EDT
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Do this. Go run your own credit and look at your salary range that is included in your credit report. Then look at your address on your county tax assessor collectors website. Add in a total of your revolving credit. Do a backwards calculation for debt to income. Within about an hour by hand you can get REALLY close to your actual income. It isn't perfect, but it is close enough.
Generally I get a current salary estimate, a claimed salary, and a requested starting salary on a person I interview. If the numbers all line up, great. If not...it raises flags. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:54:51 PM EDT
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Subject to NDA, sorry.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:57:28 PM EDT
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A salary history is sort of that. It's to see if you are trying to snowball them. I can tell you what your salary is +/-10% fairly easily with the info on your application (namely ssn and address). If you said you make $80k and only really make $50k red flags go off. Also, current salary plus 5-20% is your market price they know they can get you for. Sometimes you deviate slightly from that...but it's a good rule of thumb. If you are interested in the position, be honest...cause a lie here will surely d/q you. I may have to consider options with other employers. The range for my current position is 40-45K. I currently make about 30K. I don't think that necessarily looks good, either. I also would not be interested in a marginally better low paying job. If i'm going to use vacation days for interviews, then i don't want to waste their time or mine. Before anyone starts cracking up about how much money i don't make.... I know, you make $87 an hour, boats and hoes, etc. ETA: Spellin' |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:57:55 PM EDT
[#30]
I understand why they do this.
But it is still wrong. They should pay based on the value you provide to THEIR company and what THEY are willing to pay. What you've been paid before is irrelevant, other than wanting to know whether you'll turn down the job because it's a pay cut. I hate salary negotiations like this because it's ass-backwards. Tell me what your salary range is, Mr. Employer, and I'll decide whether it's for me. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:58:52 PM EDT
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Salary history can help, too. If the candidate is strong, then the hiring manager can feel inclined to offer the top end of the allowable range.
It also lets the hiring manager know if the candidate is interviewing for a job that is well below what they are accustomed to. Those folks don't tend to stick around, but there are always exceptions. It's helpful for both sides, and generally not a deal maker or breaker. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:00:50 PM EDT
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I may have to consider options with other employers. The range for my current position is 40-45K. I currently make about 30K. I don't think that necessarily looks good, either. I also would not be interested in a marginally better low paying job. If i'm going to use vacation days for interviews, then i don't want to wast their time or mine. Before anyone starts cracking up about how much money i don't make.... I know, you make $87 an hour, boats and hoes, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A salary history is sort of that. It's to see if you are trying to snowball them. I can tell you what your salary is +/-10% fairly easily with the info on your application (namely ssn and address). If you said you make $80k and only really make $50k red flags go off. Also, current salary plus 5-20% is your market price they know they can get you for. Sometimes you deviate slightly from that...but it's a good rule of thumb. If you are interested in the position, be honest...cause a lie here will surely d/q you. I may have to consider options with other employers. The range for my current position is 40-45K. I currently make about 30K. I don't think that necessarily looks good, either. I also would not be interested in a marginally better low paying job. If i'm going to use vacation days for interviews, then i don't want to wast their time or mine. Before anyone starts cracking up about how much money i don't make.... I know, you make $87 an hour, boats and hoes, etc. Are you saying your current peers at work make 40-45 and you make 30? Or you make 30 and this new job is in the 40-45 range? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:02:45 PM EDT
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Read my previous reply. It's a test of your honesty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bahahaha....they already know your salary bud. Then why ask? Read my previous reply. It's a test of your honesty. Seems like a dumb way to test honesty. Some companies have those questions baked into their online application system. I just put $1 if it is a required field. I don't think it is any of their business, and I don't want it to affect salary negotiations. Never had anybody say anything about my answers. I've been doing a soft job search for the last few months. The question I get asked by a recruiter, is "what are your salary requirements?" I reply to that with "what's the salary range?" |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:03:09 PM EDT
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Do this. Go run your own credit and look at your salary range that is included in your credit report. Then look at your address on your county tax assessor collectors website. Add in a total of your revolving credit. Do a backwards calculation for debt to income. Within about an hour by hand you can get REALLY close to your actual income. It isn't perfect, but it is close enough. Generally I get a current salary estimate, a claimed salary, and a requested starting salary on a person I interview. If the numbers all line up, great. If not...it raises flags. I never seen a salary range on my credit reports… Also, my “official” address is a UPS box (looks legit, but completely bogus). I am curious though, what if someone lives on the cheap (like myself). Do you assume they have a low-income level? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:03:49 PM EDT
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Are you saying your current peers at work make 40-45 and you make 30? Or you make 30 and this new job is in the 40-45 range? I make around 30K, my colleagues make around $30K. Anybody with the same position working for a different employer makes about 40-45K. ETA The staff accountant position should also be in the 40K+ range. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:07:19 PM EDT
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Read my previous reply. It's a test of your honesty. please explain how a company can legally get the details of your previous salary? If the answer is that there are stated terms to the application process which allow the prospective employer to run your credit history then I tell the OP, redline and initial those terms prior to submission. If you find they ran your credit make them pay the hard way....... |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:09:08 PM EDT
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I took a huge pay cut to have time with my family.
Time is valuable. Money isn't. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:10:33 PM EDT
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TFW making over 100% of the market rate for my role
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:13:59 PM EDT
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I may have to consider options with other employers. The range for my current position is 40-45K. I currently make about 30K. I don't think that necessarily looks good, either. I also would not be interested in a marginally better low paying job. If i'm going to use vacation days for interviews, then i don't want to waste their time or mine. Before anyone starts cracking up about how much money i don't make.... I know, you make $87 an hour, boats and hoes, etc. ETA: Spellin' Anyone who measures a man solely by his pocketbook is a fool himself. Depending on the position, you may find your resume in the trash if you give a reason not to answer. I'd actually say it's likely considering what info you've provided. I would provide approximations rounding upward of total compensation. Play their game against them and include employer paid benefits in that figure and you're closing in on the range you're looking for right? 
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:14:45 PM EDT
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I make around 30K, my colleagues make around $30K. Anybody with the same position working for a different employer makes about 40-45K. Make sure you are looking at things from a total comp perspective, as well. This includes perks and benefits. I'm a tech recruiter and the only time I've asked anything pertaining to salary history is if the candidate has 2+ jobs in a year-ish. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:14:48 PM EDT
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I never seen a salary range on my credit reports… Also, my “official” address is a UPS box (looks legit, but completely bogus). I am curious though, what if someone lives on the cheap (like myself). Do you assume they have a low-income level? The only time this really breaks down is if someone has no credit, or hasn't opened a new credit line in a few (4-5+) years. When you apply for any line of credit they ask your income. Those pieces of data don't just dissappear, they are logged and kept and used by all the credit reporting companies. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:15:33 PM EDT
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please explain how a company can legally get the details of your previous salary? Please put in effort and read the entire thread...I already did. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:16:25 PM EDT
[#43]
Maybe I am a giant pussy, but I just tell them. If I'm looking for an upgrade they can either offer me something acceptable or not.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:17:49 PM EDT
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Please put in effort and read the entire thread...I already did. Yes I read it dikfer now please provide a sufficient answer. Spewing vague know it all shit on the internet means nothing. Details and facts please. Also please tell us what bozo industry you're "working" in? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:18:42 PM EDT
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I make around 30K, my colleagues make around $30K. Anybody with the same position working for a different employer makes about 40-45K. May not be a problem. You can fudge your numbers a bit...the salary estimations aren't perfect. Just say you make $35k. That keeps you in the realm of believability and narrows the gap enough to make moving forward worth it. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:20:24 PM EDT
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Yes I read it dikfer now please provide a sufficient answer. Spewing vague know it all shit on the internet means nothing. Details and facts please. Also please tell us what bozo industry you're "working" in? Do this. Go run your own credit and look at your salary range that is included in your credit report. Then look at your address on your county tax assessor collectors website. Add in a total of your revolving credit. Do a backwards calculation for debt to income. Within about an hour by hand you can get REALLY close to your actual income. It isn't perfect, but it is close enough. Generally I get a current salary estimate, a claimed salary, and a requested starting salary on a person I interview. If the numbers all line up, great. If not...it raises flags. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:20:45 PM EDT
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Do this. Go run your own credit and look at your salary range that is included in your credit report. Then look at your address on your county tax assessor collectors website. Add in a total of your revolving credit. Do a backwards calculation for debt to income. Within about an hour by hand you can get REALLY close to your actual income. It isn't perfect, but it is close enough. Generally I get a current salary estimate, a claimed salary, and a requested starting salary on a person I interview. If the numbers all line up, great. If not...it raises flags. I am trying to get my head wrapped around this. Ok - so you pull my credit. Every credit report I ever pulled on myself (which I do 3 times a year) doesn't have anything about salary range in it. Perhaps you get a different report? Ok - you can get my address from my appraisal district website - I get that. What does that help? Ok - I understand you can take my credit report and get a total revolving credit amount. I see those reported in a credit report. How are you getting debt to income when you have no access to my income? I am probably missing something simple - but keenly interested. http://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/income-not-part-of-credit-report-so-cannot-be-updated/ |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:20:59 PM EDT
[#48]
"Sir, I'm sure we'll be able to come to terms as I'll ask no more than market rate for the value I will provide."
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:25:08 PM EDT
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I don't see the issue. If they don't meet what you need then tell them no thanks and move one. I have never had an issue with telling them if they ask. Of course i have also changed my area a little every time so there is that.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:26:23 PM EDT
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I am trying to get my head wrapped around this. Ok - so you pull my credit. Every credit report I ever pulled on myself (which I do 3 times a year) doesn't have anything about salary range in it. Perhaps you get a different report? Ok - you can get my address from my appraisal district website - I get that. What does that help? Ok - I understand you can take my credit report and get a total revolving credit amount. I see those reported in a credit report. How are you getting debt to income when you have no access to my income? I am probably missing something simple - but keenly interested. Exactly, he’s only speculating… I never seen a salary estimate on any credit reports I pulled and I just looked at my previous ones. I did some light google searching and some do provide estimates based on debt and zip, but that means nothing. |
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