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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:23:22 PM EDT
I was taking part in another thread today in gd and got to doing some reading. I found several articles online regarding two individuals in New York who supposedly had to turn in their hand guns due to being prescribed anti anxiety medications (SSRI) and the safe act legislation.
The articles were all on websites that are somewhat sensationalist and I always take what they write with a grain of salt, OK maybe the whole shaker of salt. Is there any truth to this?
Thanks in advance

ERic
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:26:34 PM EDT
The cops there will never enforce this unconstitutional act!
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Not in NY. No way, never! Okay possibly happening. It's NY, wouldn't put it past em.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:37:27 PM EDT
Your avatar cracks me up,  Huey's best work,  wasn't he saying something like that ?

ERic
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Link?
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Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
http://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/safe_act/guidance.pdf
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Thanks,   after reading that I am feeling like my original thoughts were right.  That there was more to the story than just the RX.  I do worry about the "mental health" aspect of these laws being abused and a lot of folks who did nothing wrong losing their rights.

ERic
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:52:50 PM EDT
They WILL use SAFE and OBAMACARE  to reduce the number of (legal) gun owners.
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Agreed.  I wish it was something that would just go away but the anti gunners never quit.

ERic
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:56:51 PM EDT
As someone that used to take SSRI meds, I don't know of any states that forbid usage of SSRI and ownership of firearms.

I think WI or MN tried to float something about it once.
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They probably should do this with people that take Ambien and Wellbutrin
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I think there is a county in the NE that won't letyou get a concealed permit if you've used them  unless you get a psychiatrist to write a letter for you. There was an NRA article about it.

ERic
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I think there is a county in the NE that won't letyou get a concealed permit if you've used them  unless you get a psychiatrist to write a letter for you. There was an NRA article about it.



ERic
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I think that's how it works in NY when you apply for a pistol permit.

 
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Thanks,   after reading that I am feeling like my original thoughts were right.  That there was more to the story than just the RX.  I do worry about the "mental health" aspect of these laws being abused and a lot of folks who did nothing wrong losing their rights.

ERic
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Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
http://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/safe_act/guidance.pdf


Thanks,   after reading that I am feeling like my original thoughts were right.  That there was more to the story than just the RX.  I do worry about the "mental health" aspect of these laws being abused and a lot of folks who did nothing wrong losing their rights.

ERic

Guy probably told his doc he was suicidal. Just a guess. Who knows.
Basically the law says if the doc can have you involuntarily locked up for mental health reasons, they have to report it to the popo, who then yank your pistol permit.
I'd also guess that people who could use help, won't be getting the help they need because of this.
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I don't think there is any doubt this will happen.

 
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:06:38 PM EDT
That's what  I was thinking.  Potential harm to self or others, something along those lines.   Felt pretty sure their was more to the story than just   what was in the articles.

ERic
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Yes. Plus,the psyiatric stystem is gonna be another tool.
Take care with  all  mental health submissions.
Psyche evals,therapy, marriage counseling, and the  damn school guidance councelor too
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Bad link.
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My county won't give you a concealed permit unless you're retired LE, connected, or a few other select groups.
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My county won't give you a concealed permit unless you're retired LE, connected, or a few other select groups.
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Originally Posted By deadbolt308:
I think there is a county in the NE that won't let you get a concealed permit if you've used them unless you get a psychiatrist to write a letter for you.

My county won't give you a concealed permit unless you're retired LE, connected, or a few other select groups.



Some of the kings guards have more rights than the people.
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Some of the kings guards have more rights than the people.
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Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By deadbolt308:
I think there is a county in the NE that won't let you get a concealed permit if you've used them unless you get a psychiatrist to write a letter for you.

My county won't give you a concealed permit unless you're retired LE, connected, or a few other select groups.

Some of the kings guards have more rights than the people.

My buddy got one because he plays golf with a cop who works at the Licensing Division.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:57:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By deadbolt308:
I was taking part in another thread today in gd and got to doing some reading. I found several articles online regarding two individuals in New York who supposedly had to turn in their hand guns due to being prescribed anti anxiety medications (SSRI) and the safe act legislation.
The articles were all on websites that are somewhat sensationalist and I always take what they write with a grain of salt, OK maybe the whole shaker of salt. Is there any truth to this?
Thanks in advance

ERic
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We cant have the mentally ill owning guns now can we?  

Just had this discussion with my gun owning, gun grabbing, gun show loophole believing brother...

Him: "WE NEED BACKGROUND CHECKS!  YOU DON'T WANT YOUR PSYCHOPATH NEIGHBOR TO HAVE A GUN DO YOU?"

Me: "Who gets to decide who is a psychopath?"
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My buddy got one because he plays golf with a cop who works at the Licensing Division.
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Originally Posted By criio1:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By deadbolt308:
I think there is a county in the NE that won't let you get a concealed permit if you've used them unless you get a psychiatrist to write a letter for you.

My county won't give you a concealed permit unless you're retired LE, connected, or a few other select groups.

Some of the kings guards have more rights than the people.

My buddy got one because he plays golf with a cop who works at the Licensing Division.



You're not helping.

Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:19:33 AM EDT
I hate to say this here, but the number one similarity connecting these mass shootings is firearms.  Number two seems to be SSRI's and similar drugs.  These are dangerous drugs.  As someone who went through several years of hell due to those things I cannot fight the logic of temporarily removing firearms from a person who is prescribed these drugs.  The period after going off of them can be even more dangerous than staying on them.  That is why you see issues after people decide to stop taking them on their own.  You cannot stop these cold turkey.  Proper detox is critical.

You will never see any main stream media reporting done on this though as drug companies are a major sources of advertising revenue for the media.  

Flame away, I don't give a damn.

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I hate to say this here, but the number one similarity connecting these mass shootings is firearms.  Number two seems to be SSRI's and similar drugs.  These are dangerous drugs.  As someone who went through several years of hell due to those things I cannot fight the logic of temporarily removing firearms from a person who is prescribed these drugs.  The period after going off of them can be even more dangerous than staying on them.  That is why you see issues after people decide to stop taking them on their own.  You cannot stop these cold turkey.  Proper detox is critical.

You will never see any main stream media reporting done on this though as drug companies are a major sources of advertising revenue for the media.  

Flame away, I don't give a damn.

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No flaming from me because I am sure there is some truth to what you are saying.

It is the OVERREACHING in this area that concerns me with rabid anti-gunners like idiot Cuomo.
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Loyalist ... being Loyalist...
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Originally Posted By deadbolt308:
I was taking part in another thread today in gd

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Found your problem...
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I hate to say this here, but the number one similarity connecting these mass shootings is firearms.  Number two seems to be SSRI's and similar drugs.  These are dangerous drugs.  As someone who went through several years of hell due to those things I cannot fight the logic of temporarily removing firearms from a person who is prescribed these drugs.  The period after going off of them can be even more dangerous than staying on them.  That is why you see issues after people decide to stop taking them on their own.  You cannot stop these cold turkey.  Proper detox is critical.

You will never see any main stream media reporting done on this though as drug companies are a major sources of advertising revenue for the media.  

Flame away, I don't give a damn.

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This is true and when you have some general MD's prescribing the same drug and dosage for all the patients that they think need them you also run into problems. I tried to explain this to the OP in the thread he is talking about however his answer is that " Eventually this will be used to try and disarm a lot of good people ".

These drugs are not prescribed for toothaches, these drugs are prescribed for BEHAVIOR and BRAIN FUNCTION. Anyone taking psychotropic meds should be required to get scheduled visits with mental healthcare professionals to ensure the drug is working. Psychotropic drugs are shown to be over 50% more effective when psychotherapy is used with them however at the moment they are being overly prescribed just as pain killers by family doctors.
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This is true and when you have general MD's prescribing the same drug and dosage for all the patients that they think need them you also run into problems. I tried to explain this to the OP in the thread he is talking about however his answer is that " Eventually this will be used to try and disarm a lot of good people ".

These drugs are not prescribed for toothaches, these drugs are prescribed for BEHAVIOR and BRAIN FUNCTION. Anyone taking psychotropic meds should be required to get scheduled visits with mental healthcare professionals to ensure the drug is working. Psychotropic drugs are shown to be over 50% more effective when psychotherapy is used with them however at the moment they are being overly prescribed just as pain killers by family doctors.
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Originally Posted By gaweidert:
I hate to say this here, but the number one similarity connecting these mass shootings is firearms.  Number two seems to be SSRI's and similar drugs.  These are dangerous drugs.  As someone who went through several years of hell due to those things I cannot fight the logic of temporarily removing firearms from a person who is prescribed these drugs.  The period after going off of them can be even more dangerous than staying on them.  That is why you see issues after people decide to stop taking them on their own.  You cannot stop these cold turkey.  Proper detox is critical.

You will never see any main stream media reporting done on this though as drug companies are a major sources of advertising revenue for the media.  

Flame away, I don't give a damn.


This is true and when you have general MD's prescribing the same drug and dosage for all the patients that they think need them you also run into problems. I tried to explain this to the OP in the thread he is talking about however his answer is that " Eventually this will be used to try and disarm a lot of good people ".

These drugs are not prescribed for toothaches, these drugs are prescribed for BEHAVIOR and BRAIN FUNCTION. Anyone taking psychotropic meds should be required to get scheduled visits with mental healthcare professionals to ensure the drug is working. Psychotropic drugs are shown to be over 50% more effective when psychotherapy is used with them however at the moment they are being overly prescribed just as pain killers by family doctors.



One problem  (and only one) with your argument is, mental health professionals are few and far between, they charge outrageous prices, you can't get in to see them, and until obuttcare came along, most health insurance didn't cover phychiatrist appointments.

So your argument would leave the majority of patients currently perscribed with SSRIs no relief whatsoever.

I know several people taking SSRIs with no negative consequences, and it improves their daily lives.
Would you deny them that relief?
Yes, you would.
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Problem with this is that gun owners will simply not seek medical help if they really need it.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 6:16:04 AM EDT
Well, New York and California are well on their way to becoming a "socialist paradise" and we all know that there is no room for citizen gun rights in a socialist paradise.  

Coming soon to a state near you.  

Worst case scenario is that the republicans lose the house later this year, the democrats retain the senate and Hillary becomes the president in couple of years.  What do you think will happen to your gun ownership rights then, amigos?  And this is NOT a farfetched scenario either.
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Thanks,   after reading that I am feeling like my original thoughts were right.  That there was more to the story than just the RX.  I do worry about the "mental health" aspect of these laws being abused and a lot of folks who did nothing wrong losing their rights.

ERic
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Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
http://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/safe_act/guidance.pdf


Thanks,   after reading that I am feeling like my original thoughts were right.  That there was more to the story than just the RX.  I do worry about the "mental health" aspect of these laws being abused and a lot of folks who did nothing wrong losing their rights.

ERic


The worst part of this is that it'll have a chilling effect on the people who are the biggest risk, and the ones who REALLY need help won't seek it.  We're going to see MORE active shooter incidents rather than less because of this law.  So sayeth the everlasting knowitall.
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But registration isn't confiscation?



Or some shit like that.
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You'd have to be crazy to see a  psychiatrist  these days.
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Yes. Plus,the psyiatric stystem is gonna be another tool.


Take care with  all  mental health submissions.


Psyche evals,therapy, marriage counseling, and the  damn school guidance councelor too
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Originally Posted By BladedRonin:


They WILL use SAFE and OBAMACARE  to reduce the number of (legal) gun owners.






Yes. Plus,the psyiatric stystem is gonna be another tool.


Take care with  all  mental health submissions.


Psyche evals,therapy, marriage counseling, and the  damn school guidance councelor too
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police
   to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders
   which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].


39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental
   health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose
   Communist goals.






 
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Originally Posted By Extorris:


Originally Posted By deadbolt308:

I think there is a county in the NE that won't let you get a concealed permit if you've used them unless you get a psychiatrist to write a letter for you.


My county won't give you a concealed permit unless you're retired LE, connected, or a few other select groups.


Some of the kings guards have more rights than the people.


My buddy got one because he plays golf with a cop who works at the Licensing Division.






You're not helping.



He's telling it like it is.  And it's not that pretty at all.



 
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Originally Posted By gaweidert:
I hate to say this here, but the number one similarity connecting these mass shootings is firearms.  Number two seems to be SSRI's and similar drugs.  These are dangerous drugs.  As someone who went through several years of hell due to those things I cannot fight the logic of temporarily removing firearms from a person who is prescribed these drugs.  The period after going off of them can be even more dangerous than staying on them.  That is why you see issues after people decide to stop taking them on their own.  You cannot stop these cold turkey.  Proper detox is critical.

You will never see any main stream media reporting done on this though as drug companies are a major sources of advertising revenue for the media.  

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So your experience= everyone else's?  Also the common similarity between "most" of these high profile shooters is the onset of schizophrenia.

ERic
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Originally Posted By gaweidert:
I hate to say this here, but the number one similarity connecting these mass shootings is firearms.  Number two seems to be SSRI's and similar drugs.  These are dangerous drugs.  As someone who went through several years of hell due to those things I cannot fight the logic of temporarily removing firearms from a person who is prescribed these drugs.  The period after going off of them can be even more dangerous than staying on them.  That is why you see issues after people decide to stop taking them on their own.  You cannot stop these cold turkey.  Proper detox is critical.

You will never see any main stream media reporting done on this though as drug companies are a major sources of advertising revenue for the media.  

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100% of shootings involves guns, therefore ban them.  

100% of auto accidents involve motor vehicles.

100% of stabbings involve pointy things.  

100% of alcohol related accidents involve alcohol.

See where this is going?
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PLease  reconsider your  viewpoint.
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100% of shootings involves guns, therefore ban them.  

100% of auto accidents involve motor vehicles.

100% of stabbings involve pointy things.  

100% of alcohol related accidents involve alcohol.

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Originally Posted By gaweidert:
I hate to say this here, but the number one similarity connecting these mass shootings is firearms.  Number two seems to be SSRI's and similar drugs.  These are dangerous drugs.  As someone who went through several years of hell due to those things I cannot fight the logic of temporarily removing firearms from a person who is prescribed these drugs.  The period after going off of them can be even more dangerous than staying on them.  That is why you see issues after people decide to stop taking them on their own.  You cannot stop these cold turkey.  Proper detox is critical.

You will never see any main stream media reporting done on this though as drug companies are a major sources of advertising revenue for the media.  

Flame away, I don't give a damn.



100% of shootings involves guns, therefore ban them.  

100% of auto accidents involve motor vehicles.

100% of stabbings involve pointy things.  

100% of alcohol related accidents involve alcohol.

See where this is going?



Poorly worded first sentence.  Sorry.  What I was going for was that if 100% of these situations involve firearms, well over 90% involve psychotropic drugs.  Nobody is investigating the use of drugs these drugs as a catalyst in these shootings.   Deciding to stop taking them cold turkey can actually make the symptoms they allegedly address even worse.  

Having seen what these drugs can do to people is scarey.  You get a 15 minute visit with a shrink.  Doc writes a prescription and tells you to come back in a month.  Then another 15 minute visit and then more drugs.   I my situation I tried to call the "doctor" to tell him what was happening and all I got was "Sorry, HIPPA laws prevent me from discussing this with you.".  

What we need is a law stating that every time the pill pushers prescribe SSRI's to a new patient, the patient lives with them for the next 6 months so they can evaluate the effects up close and personal.  These are dangerous drugs and the fact that they are prescribed like candy with no effort to get at the underlying causes of a person's mental issues is criminal.  

As to Ambien, it should be closely monitored too.  Check on person, find them comatose and barely breathing.  Look at one day old bottle of pills and realize that 17 are missing.  Good times.  Good times.  People do crazy stuff while on it.  If it works for you it is great, but if it doesn't a lot of other people can be affected in a bad way.  .  
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Stating that anyone who is prescribed an SSRI should have their guns taken away for a period of time is asinine.
It's almost as stupid as saying any doctor that prescribes a patient an SSRI should house and live with the patient for six months.

Your personal experience does not translate to the experiences of all persons who take such a drug, or all persons who prescribe such a drug.

ETA; My personal experiences with both doctors and patients directly contradict everything you say, other than one should not stop taking such drugs except under the supervision and guidance of the doctor caring for them.
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