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Posted: 11/19/2008 12:10:01 PM EDT
Alright, we all know that the president has it...but what kind is it?


Will it be left behind when Jorge leaves, or will he keep it?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:13:53 PM EDT
I will be pissed if he does not keep it.  If he doesn't want it he can give it to the next conservative president.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:15:55 PM EDT
I think it's a Makarov. There were shitloads of 'em over there at one point.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:17:00 PM EDT
Makarov
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:23:21 PM EDT
I thought it was a Hipower clone.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:27:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By packinheavy:
I thought it was a Hipower clone.


I also heard it was a genuine HiPower...
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:29:41 PM EDT
I heard it was a HiPower as well, but I never heard that Bush had it.  That's very cool.  I would suspect it'll end up in his Presidential library.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:31:12 PM EDT
I wonder if it's import stamped?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:34:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ridge_Runner_5:
Originally Posted By packinheavy:
I thought it was a Hipower clone.


I also heard it was a genuine HiPower...


It might be.  I had heard a story about an arms dealer selling them clones marked as the real thing.  This was a while back and I have no idea if it was true.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:35:24 PM EDT
I'd put money on it being a Browning Hi Power.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:36:04 PM EDT
Bush can't keep it, it will go to his library or a musem of his choice.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:36:34 PM EDT
I thought it was a Maadi beretta 92 clone...
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:38:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Alright, we all know that the president has it...but what kind is it?


Will it be left behind when Jorge leaves, or will he keep it?



He cannot keep it as I understand the "gifts" type of situation that you are referring to...they go in some museum or something.

I'm probably botching this up, but I believe that the gifts are to the POTUS and not the individual, and as such, they are for "everyone" or whatever. Bottom line, W is gonna get to keep it on his belt in Crawford.

It would be cool if he/you could keep the gifts.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:38:11 PM EDT
I've always seen him with an HP.  


Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:38:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PreachermanMATT:
I thought it was a Maadi beretta 92 clone...


I believe that's called a Helwan Brigadier.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:39:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:24:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 1:24:39 PM EDT by AROKIE]
hi-POWER and he should be able to take it with him.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:05:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Texaspyro21:
Bush can't keep it, it will go to his library or a musem of his choice.

This.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:16:22 PM EDT
Im sure Bush could find a way to keep it, I know I would
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:22:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By InjunJoe:
Im sure Bush could find a way to keep it, I know I would


And Obama would make sure he was arrested for it.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:25:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
I'd put money on it being a Browning Hi Power.


Yeah, didn't he try to whack some guy with it just before he became leader?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:29:09 PM EDT
Every pic I saw of him with a handgun, it was a high power
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:38:42 PM EDT
his balcony rifle is at the 3rd ID museum at Fort Stewart, had a chance to hold that....

also, he had more than one pistol...
I know of one taken from one of his palaces...........

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 2:42:17 PM EDT
I always heard it was a Hi-Power... I assume a genuine one.  (Do dictators settle for clones?)



I think Bush should be able to keep it and carry it around yelling, "Fuck you!  Fuck you all!"



- BG
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 4:07:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bcw107:
Originally Posted By PreachermanMATT:
I thought it was a Maadi beretta 92 clone...


I believe that's called a Helwan Brigadier.



Actually the Iraqi-built pistols were called "Tariqs"

See here.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 4:09:22 PM EDT
I saw pics of a makarov.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 4:13:11 PM EDT
I think GW should take it out back the White House and pop some old soup cans just for the helluva it.



Link Posted: 11/19/2008 4:13:39 PM EDT
What will happen to Saddam's collection?

What will happen to Uday and Qusay's guns?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 4:19:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Texaspyro21:
Bush can't keep it, it will go to his library or a musem of his choice.



This. Library I'm guessing.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 4:23:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 6:40:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
Originally Posted By bcw107:
Originally Posted By PreachermanMATT:
I thought it was a Maadi beretta 92 clone...


I believe that's called a Helwan Brigadier.



Actually the Iraqi-built pistols were called "Tariqs"

See here.


We found a few of those in B-dad, the odd thing about them was that they were always dissassembled and VERY hidden.
I always wanted to put one back together and shoot it, but EVERYTHING was taken down, springs, trigger and everything.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:20:01 PM EDT
I have personally seen a gold plated Hi-Power that belonged to Udai Hussein. It was taken from his residence by a highly reliable and capable source.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:30:18 PM EDT
So we still don't know if it is a Hi-Power or a Makarov?  I have always wondered also what pistol it is.  The President SHOULD be able to keep it if he wants it, in my opinion.  Its an outstanding souvenir from a major despot.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:37:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 8:42:18 PM EDT by EternalVigilance]
I would piss on it.  Then melt it down and use it for a fucking door stop.



I would be 1000 times as honored to own an upper that had seen use in Operation Enduring Freedom or Operation Iraqi Freedom.



eta:  Maybe I am just too full of hatred.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:40:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Alright, we all know that the president has it...but what kind is it?


Will it be left behind when Jorge leaves, or will he keep it?


It's a Browning Hi-Power.

And W will either keep it, or have it put in a museum....
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:40:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By g3shooter:
What will happen to Saddam's collection?

What will happen to Uday and Qusay's guns?


After Obama pulls us out of Iraq, he'll return them all to whichever anti-American warlord emerges victorious from the years of chaos that will follow.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:42:55 PM EDT
Hi-Power.

He should keep it.


Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:48:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
I would piss on it.  Then melt it down and use it for a fucking door stop.



I would be 1000 times as honored to own an upper that had seen use in Operation Enduring Freedom or Operation Iraqi Freedom.


This goes back to the old traditional surrender, where the winner got the loser's sword....
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:50:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 8:50:29 PM EDT by EternalVigilance]
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
I would piss on it.  Then melt it down and use it for a fucking door stop.



I would be 1000 times as honored to own an upper that had seen use in Operation Enduring Freedom or Operation Iraqi Freedom.


This goes back to the old traditional surrender, where the winner got the loser's sword....



Yeah I know.  I'm just blowing off steam I guess.  Isn't that what arfcom is for?  I'm glad that son of a bitch is dead.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:54:19 PM EDT
I don't know about his own personal one, but I saw boxes of gold-plated Makarovs sitting in a warehouse in 04.

Oh, and some of these:

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:54:54 PM EDT



Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:56:56 PM EDT
Its a Browning Highpower...
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:59:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ridge_Runner_5:
Originally Posted By packinheavy:
I thought it was a Hipower clone.


I also heard it was a genuine HiPower...


Thats what I thought -it was  a HiPower.

Bush will keep it and probably put it in his Presidential library when he makes it. I bet it will be between the Pop Up books and the ones that make play music when you press the buttons on the side.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:01:58 PM EDT
I rember some news footage of Bush holding that pistola.  It was hard to tell, but to me it looked like a Makarov, it was too small to be a high power.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:07:36 PM EDT
I heard SADDAM's pistol was a HUNGARIAN  PJK-9HP
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:13:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By clutchsmoke:
I saw pics of a makarov.



it was a Mak it was the gun he had on him when captured
wasn't a hi power like he was always pictured with

I wonder where His Ruger M77 international is ?

Ruger arms maker for responsible citizens


Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:19:12 PM EDT
It was given to Bush as a souvenir by some members of delta force.  He has kept it in the oval office all this time and likes to show it off to his guests.

I think he should keep it since it was given to him as a souvenir.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:43:36 PM EDT
For some reason I thought this was about an EE ad.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 11:46:34 PM EDT
From the article:

Saddam did not use the Makarov pistol tucked into the his belt, or the two AK 47 Kalashnikov semi-automatic rifles he had.

Semi Auto AKs? I guess he didn't want to get into trouble with the BATFE. They would have just surrounded his palace for a few days and then burned it to the ground.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 8:07:24 AM EDT
i just get mad the president gets to have a war trophy pistol but our troops cant bring back weapons even if its other wise legal in the states (ie non nfa)
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:09:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777:
i just get mad the president gets to have a war trophy pistol but our troops cant bring back weapons even if its other wise legal in the states (ie non nfa)



Some of them can.
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