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Posted: 3/2/2006 1:40:15 PM EDT
I don’t know if this has been posted or not but I found it interesting and thought I would share.

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Issues & Insights
Saddam Had WMD
Posted 2/24/2006

WMD: Now that Leno and Letterman have had their way with Vice President Cheney's hunting accident and the port controversy, maybe we can get back to something really important - like Saddam's WMD program.

Yes, the linchpin of opposition to the Iraq War - never really strong to begin with - has taken some real hits in recent weeks. And "Bush lied" - the anti-war mantra about the president, Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction - looks the most battered.

Inconveniently for critics of the war, Saddam made tapes in his version of the Oval Office. These tapes landed in the hands of American intelligence and were recently aired publicly.

The first 12 hours of the tapes - there are hundreds more waiting to be translated - are damning, to say the least. They show conclusively that Bush didn't lie when he cited Saddam's WMD plans as one of the big reasons for taking the dictator out.

Nobody disputes the tapes' authenticity. On them, Saddam talks openly of programs involving biological, chemical and, yes, nuclear weapons.

War foes have long asserted that Saddam halted his WMD programs in the wake of his defeat in the first Gulf War in 1991. Saddam's abandonment of WMD programs was confirmed by subsequent U.N. inspections.

Again, not true. In a tape dating to April 1995, Saddam and several aides discuss the fact that U.N. inspectors had found traces of Iraq's biological weapons program. On the tape, Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law, is heard gloating about fooling the inspectors.

"We did not reveal all that we have," he says. "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct."

There's more. Indeed, as late as 2000, Saddam can be heard in his office talking with Iraqi scientists about his ongoing plans to build a nuclear device. At one point, he discusses Iraq's plasma uranium program - something that was missed entirely by U.N. weapons inspectors combing Iraq for WMD.

This is particularly troubling, since it indicates an active, ongoing attempt by Saddam to build an Iraqi nuclear bomb.

"What was most disturbing," said John Tierney, the ex- FBI agent who translated the tapes, "was the fact that the individuals briefing Saddam were totally unknown to the U.N. Special Commission (or UNSCOM, the group set up to look into Iraq's WMD programs)."

Perhaps most chillingly, the tapes record Iraq Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz talking about how easy it would be to set off a WMD in Washington. The comments come shortly after Saddam muses about using "proxies" in a terror attack.

9-11, anyone?

In short, let us repeat: President Bush was right. We had to invade to disarm Saddam - otherwise, he would have completely reconstituted his chemical, nuclear and bio-weapons programs when inspectors left.

Saddam probably knew better than to use them himself against the U.S. But it's likely he wouldn't have hesitated giving one or more to terror groups with which he had routine contact.

Lest you think we're making the case entirely based on these tapes, let us assure you that other evidence - mounting by the day - points to the same conclusion.

We've been very impressed by the story told by Georges Sada, the former No. 2 in Iraq's air force. He has written a book, "Saddam's Secrets," that details how the Iraqi dictator used trucks, commercial jets and ships to remove his WMD from the country. At the time, the move went largely undetected, because Iraq pretended the massive movement of materiel was to help Syrian flood victims.

Nor is Sada alone. Ali Ibrahim, another of Saddam's former commanders, has largely corroborated Sada's story.

So how was Saddam able to use his "cheat and retreat" tactics without being found out? He had help, according to a former U.S. Defense Department official.

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," said John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary of defense, in comments made at an intelligence summit Feb. 17-20 in Arlington, Va.

"They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special ops) units out of uniform that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," he said.

These are extraordinary developments. They deserve a full airing in the media, since they essentially validate part of Bush's casus belli for invading Iraq and deposing the murderous Saddam.

But once again, the mainstream media have dropped the ball. They seem more interested in Dick Cheney's marksmanship and American port management than in setting the record straight about one of the most important developments of our time.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:42:23 PM EDT
It's been posted already, but the infiltrators on this board will be along to tell us how irrelevant these tapes are.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:43:10 PM EDT
who would have thought.


Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:46:14 PM EDT
That point is so moot now...no one will ever care if we find 1,000,000,000 tons of the stuff and 1,000,000,000 rockets to deliver them.

The media wont care. The libs wont care. The Dems (like McCain) won't care either.

Bush still lied, and the levies broke because he doesn't like black people and neither does his momma.

Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:47:42 PM EDT
Guy had WMDs.
Yep.
We've known for a while.
Pretty much everyone in the world knew it was true.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:49:21 PM EDT
Anyone have links to first-hand resources?
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:51:04 PM EDT
GOAT BALLZ
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:51:32 PM EDT
You're just realizing this? Seriously, won't get much play in the media. New thing of course is about how W new the levess were going to break.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:51:34 PM EDT
doesnt matter right now. minds have already been made up in both directions.

either you thnk saddam didnt have WMD's and any evidnece to the contrary is just propaganda from the evil bush administration,

or

you already knew saddam had WMD's and it was jsut a quesiton of where the hell he stashed them, and this is a clue to the answer
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:51:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:53:09 PM EDT
Everyone thought that Saddam had WMD of some sort, VX, bio, early stages of nuke, whatever...

To me, it is disingenuous to hear people say otherwise when they all believed it to be true before we invaded.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:53:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wassup61:
GOAT BALLZ



Is this the standard post today? I seen it in the Chick Norris thread as well.

Or are you craving something?
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:59:19 PM EDT
Here is where I saw the article.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 1:59:39 PM EDT
The only thing about the WMD thing that really pisses me off is that Bush didn't have some sitting ready to show us in case they didn't find any, how F*#%ing dumb was that
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 2:02:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By angus6:
The only thing about the WMD thing that really pisses me off is that Bush didn't have some sitting ready to show us in case they didn't find any, how F*#%ing dumb was that



Cut the man some slack.
He isn't the Arkansas huckster who could sell snow to eskimos.
And I'm glad he isn't.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 2:03:20 PM EDT
Sad how so many can quickly forget the important details.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 2:06:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 2:16:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobertBobson:
Anyone have links to first-hand resources?



Nope, it's all made up.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 2:20:35 PM EDT
Of course he did. Even the Duh trolls in this thread know that. If their pal sKerry said Saddam had WMD you wouldn't hear a peep out of them.

The big problem now is that Syria and Iran now have Saddams WMD's. I guess we should take after the Duh types and just ban them. Syria and Iran will of course turn them in.... right?
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