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Posted: 5/28/2003 8:23:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/28/2003 8:43:24 PM EDT by warlord]
He also said it isn't accurate to equate the $700-to-$20,000 hunting shotguns sold at Triple B to the type of cheap handguns used in street crimes.
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I posted this because in the past the military rifle, and handgun shooters took the brunt of the anti-gunners ire, but now we/they are in the same boat. In the past the shotgunners wouldn't really care if they ban ARs, & AKs etc, and of course handguns, but now their butts are in the sling. The shotgunners still don't understand that their shotgun is still a firearm, which they can't seem to get thru thick the skulls that the anti-gunners are out to ban any and all firearms. The 50-cal shooters are using the same arugment that it is expensive etc. These folks are the snobs of the firearms owners to the bitter end. This is just the beginning. L.A. County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, also spearheaded the termination of Great Western Gun Show in Pomona Calif. =================================================================== San Gabriel Valley Tribune [url=http://www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,205~12220~1419466,00.html#]Ban on Shotgun sales assailed[/url] By Ben Baeder Staff Writer Tuesday, May 27, 2003 – SOUTH EL MONTE -- For 50 years, the Whittier Narrows Triple B Clays shooting range has sold top-brand shotguns while serving as a practice facility for the U.S. National Shotgun Team, as well as amateur enthusiasts of the sport. "If you're going to train somewhere around here, this is the place,' said Randy Sotowa, a member of the U.S. team. But since April 30, Triple B has stopped selling shotguns, by order of the county of Los Angeles, which has imposed a 1999 county law barring the sale of firearms on property it owns or leases. Because Triple B's owners sublease the property on Rosemead Boulevard within the Whittier Narrows Recreation Area from the county, officials say the law applies to the shooting range. Triple B's owners, in response, have filed a claim against the county, seeking $13 million in damages. "It's like going to a golf shop that does not sell golf clubs,' Bruce Barsotti, one of Triple B's three owners, said as he stood in the pro shop in front of rows and rows of empty gun racks. According to a financial report from a private accountant hired by Triple B's owners, gun sales account for the company's largest source of revenue. Losing its ability to sell shotguns decreases the company's value from $15 million to about $2 million, the report states. In 1999, the Board of Supervisors banned gun sales on county property in response to reports that illegal sales of assault rifles and handguns were taking place at guns shows at Fairplex in Pomona, which is owned by the county. However, the county did not enforce the ban at Triple B until this year. County officials did not say why they waited until April to enforce the ban. Calls to Larry Hafetz, an attorney for the county, were not returned. Joel Bellman, a spokesman for supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, said the issue is a philosophical one. He said the supervisor believes the county should not lease property to businesses that profit from gun sales, while at the same time funding gun-violence prevention programs. "The main thing is that we've got a (Los Angeles County-funded) gun-violence enforcement program, and we have a problem that the county is a profit partner on the sale of guns on county property,' he said. "We've got to count the consequences of our actions.' But Eric Oto, an attorney representing Triple B, said the shooting range's owners bought the business based on their ability to sell guns, and now that has changed. [/b]He also said it isn't accurate to equate the $700-to-$20,000 hunting shotguns sold at Triple B to the type of cheap handguns used in street crimes.[/b] There is no evidence that any illegal gun trading has taken place at the range, Oto added. Oto said a county claims board will soon make a decision regarding Triple B's claim. "We're still hoping to work something out,' Oto said. "We still hope this won't have to be an adversarial proceeding.' In February, Great Western Shows, which formerly put on gun shows at the county fairgrounds in Pomona, received a $1.6 million settlement from the county after the gun sales ban caused it to cancel shows. -- Ben Baeder can be reached at (562) 698-0955, Ext. 3024, or by e-mail at ben.baeder@sgvn.com.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 8:37:10 PM EDT
Kalifornistan
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 8:42:42 PM EDT
Thank you JESUS......... Thank you for not putting me in that hell hole we all call kali.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 8:48:10 PM EDT
Joel Bellman, a spokesman for supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, said the issue is a philosophical one. He said the supervisor believes the county should not lease property to businesses that profit from gun sales, while at the same time funding gun-violence prevention programs.
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If they really believe that guns equal violence, they need to stop arming the Los Angeles Police Department. Can't have any city employees contributing to violence...
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 8:55:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Skibane:
Joel Bellman, a spokesman for supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, said the issue is a philosophical one. He said the supervisor believes the county should not lease property to businesses that profit from gun sales, while at the same time funding gun-violence prevention programs.
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If they really believe that guns equal violence, they need to stop arming the Los Angeles Police Department. Can't have any city employees contributing to violence...
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When these County Supervisors travel, they travel with an armed bodyguard, that is former LE.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 9:46:13 PM EDT
Too bad. Pachmayr, International, or, as it is now called, Triple B has been a gateway for many people into the shooting sports. Banning the sale of shotguns there is yet another step towards making shooting sports less approachable and accessible to new people. And, yes, it is a wake-up to those snobbish clay shooters who try to distance themselves from other guns and gunowners.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 10:34:09 PM EDT
bastards, i was shopping there with a friend for a trap shotgun...and another buddy got his perazzi there.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 7:28:08 AM EDT
That's going to cripple a first-rate facility.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 9:24:49 AM EDT
That's going to cripple a first-rate facility.
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Like they really give a damn about that? The fact that it's a legitimate multi-million dollar business means squat to them. They can tout how they "did it for The Children™" and made LA more of a paradise than it already is, getting rid of a source for those evil $20,000 shotguns (the choice for gang bangers and drive by's everywhere). Maybe, just maybe this will open some eyes to the fact that they really do want ALL the guns. Yes, even though your shotgun is worth more than a lot of people’s cars and you only bust clays with it, it’s still a GUN and they regard you as a potential criminal for having it. They just need to take care of all the handguns and rifles first before they get around to you.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 9:47:32 AM EDT
Los Holés - City of Assholes
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 2:12:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Papertargets: Too bad. Pachmayr, International, or, as it is now called, Triple B has been a gateway for many people into the shooting sports. Banning the sale of shotguns there is yet another step towards making shooting sports less approachable and accessible to new people. And, yes, it is a wake-up to those snobbish clay shooters who try to distance themselves from other guns and gunowners.
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Yep, this is the same range which hosted the trap & skeet portions of the '84 L.A. International Olympics. It used to be Pachmayr's but was sold a fews years back after Pachmayr's was bought by Lyman Reloading. I've shot there a few times.
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