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Posted: 9/27/2004 4:11:41 AM EST
It's not just the schools fault your kids are fucked up!

It's not the schools fault you kids aren't learning!


It's not the schools fault your daughter is turning into a liberal!

IT IS YOUR FAULT!

They are YOUR kids! Kids require constant teaching and training. So if you have kids YOU can either raise them or you can send them elsewhere to be raised. If you choose to have a child YOU should stay at home and raise them....THAT'S YOUR JOB!


But if you choose to work and send your kids elsewhere to be raised then you really have no business complaining since you obviuously don't care enough about your kids to raise them yourself.
I am talking about kids in day care before they are 1 and public school system before 4.


You parents should be ashamed of yourselves! You are given the most precious gift in the world and you send it away for someone else to raise....and then you bitch because they weren't raised they "right" way.


Maybe you should do the job yourself.


SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:27:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
It's not just the schools fault your kids are fucked up!

It's not the schools fault you kids aren't learning!


It's not the schools fault your daughter is turning into a liberal!

IT IS YOUR FAULT!

They are YOUR kids! Kids require constant teaching and training. So if you have kids YOU can either raise them or you can send them elsewhere to be raised. If you choose to have a child YOU should stay at home and raise them....THAT'S YOUR JOB!


But if you choose to work and send your kids elsewhere to be raised then you really have no business complaining since you obviuously don't care enough about your kids to raise them yourself.
I am talking about kids in day care before they are 1 and public school system before 4.


You parents should be ashamed of yourselves! You are given the most precious gift in the world and you send it away for someone else to raise....and then you bitch because they weren't raised they "right" way.


Maybe you should do the job yourself.


SGatr15



you make a very good point about the schools. I for one always ask and expect answers about what was learned in school. Yes there have been times I have had to call said school because of teaching they are doing. Anti gun.. the whole class must read this book on Malcolm X, an american hero. etc.
As far as the working and sending them off to daycare, some folks just can't afford to do otherwise. Some folks like myself are lucky enough I can stay home. The biggest point though, be it daycare or school, parents need to ask and expect answers to what happened during the day.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:28:09 AM EST
What ???????? You mean I have to be a parent and raise my own kids and be responsible for them??

That will never fly, thats what schools are for.

Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:32:40 AM EST
I highly doubt that most families need two parents working away from home when they have young kids.


I just don't buy it.


Fact is this. Schools started teaching "life skills" around the same time both parents started working outside the home.


So you have no on to blame be yourselves.


SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:33:58 AM EST
I agree with your premise but, people are FORCED to sent their kids to school. They have no choice. They are exposed to communist ideals constantly in the public school system. It is extremely difficult to undo that kind of damage, no matter how good a parent you are.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:36:06 AM EST
How are they forced to do so?


Cant they home school?

ANd if they spend enough time with the kid they can easily conter act any influence from the schools.

Plus if you teach a kid to read early they will soon learn that there are always many sources of info available on any subject and they WILL have a more open mind.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:37:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
It's not just the schools fault your kids are fucked up!

It's not the schools fault you kids aren't learning!


It's not the schools fault your daughter is turning into a liberal!

IT IS YOUR FAULT!

SGatr15



Its YOUR fault for putting them IN THE GOV'T SCHOOLS.



Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:38:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
It's not just the schools fault your kids are fucked up!

It's not the schools fault you kids aren't learning!


It's not the schools fault your daughter is turning into a liberal!

IT IS YOUR FAULT!

They are YOUR kids! Kids require constant teaching and training. So if you have kids YOU can either raise them or you can send them elsewhere to be raised. If you choose to have a child YOU should stay at home and raise them....THAT'S YOUR JOB!


But if you choose to work and send your kids elsewhere to be raised then you really have no business complaining since you obviuously don't care enough about your kids to raise them yourself.
I am talking about kids in day care before they are 1 and public school system before 4.


You parents should be ashamed of yourselves! You are given the most precious gift in the world and you send it away for someone else to raise....and then you bitch because they weren't raised they "right" way.


Maybe you should do the job yourself.


SGatr15



Is this your new treastie defending public education? Or was your point that the schools are a given. Teaching your kids anyway is the answer.

I partially agree with that theory, but I also want to abolish the current school system.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:38:20 AM EST
Be careful, Sgtar.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but many schools themselves are fucked up. Teachers wont fail kids anymore because they can get sued. No more red oens for correction, etc.


YES, the kids themselves do the failing, but the goddamn schools don't help the situation.


- BG
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:39:07 AM EST
How many kids do you have there big Sarge?
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:39:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By cwd10:
I agree with your premise but, people are FORCED to sent their kids to school. They have no choice. They are exposed to communist ideals constantly in the public school system. It is extremely difficult to undo that kind of damage, no matter how good a parent you are.



actually, you can homeschool. We are only FORCED to give our kids an education, not send them to public schools.

And yes I happen to have 2 fine daughters, both public schooled, both teens, both swing way to the right and know when anti gun shit comes up, or they are "forced" to read a book about the great american hero Malcom X, that these are not everyones beliefs and one call from said parent, excludes them from the "forced" and they are given an alternate assignement more in the lines of our beliefs.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:40:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By cwd10:
I agree with your premise but, people are FORCED to sent their kids to school. They have no choice. They are exposed to communist ideals constantly in the public school system. It is extremely difficult to undo that kind of damage, no matter how good a parent you are.



There is no forcing. Homeschooling is legal in every state. The forcing is done by the lifestyle choices.

Scott
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:42:44 AM EST
Yes the schools are fucked up.

But my point is that WE are the ones that fucked them up!

Back in the 70's everyone was concern ed about womens/civil rights. Women started working more, which I have no problem with. But then they started having kids AND they then RETURNED TO WORK.


This is when the schools started taking on more and more responsibility. Because mothers ( and pussy fathers) abondined their children to the state for education.

Now you are seeing the results of 30+ years of the people asking the government to raise their children.


Don't like it? Then do something about it.

Married with young kids?


WOMAN NEEDS TO BE AT HOME!

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:43:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By 2IDdoc:
How many kids do you have there big Sarge?



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Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:43:37 AM EST
Yea, home schooling is an option, but I know some people who were home schooled, and they are socially retarted. I'm not trying to insult anyone. It's just a fact. They have a very difficult time interacting with other people. One of them commited suicide, due to his incapacity to handle social situations that he was "sheltered" from as a child. No, I don't buy it. Home schooling is just trading one kind of "fucked up" for another.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:46:05 AM EST
Even if your kids go to publix school, you can pick the teachers, you can pick the reading materials at home, you make sure that the friends are worth having, etc. My wife works at a publix school, can't believe the shit that goes on (and an elementary for gods sake!) Don't let them sit at the boob tube for hours on end, not ever pick up a book, don't let them hang out with worthless punks. Teach them some manners and respect for their elders. teach them to think for themselves!!! As far as friends are concerned, give me a set of hardworking churchgoing everyday folks-those kids are fine. Parents that only worship the allmighty dollar are a problem .
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:47:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By cwd10:
Yea, home schooling is an option, but I know some people who were home schooled, and they are socially retarted. I'm not trying to insult anyone. It's just a fact. They have a very difficult time interacting with other people. One of them commited suicide, due to his incapacity to handle social situations that he was "sheltered" from as a child. No, I don't buy it. Home schooling is just trading one kind of "fucked up" for another.




BULLSHIT!


The parents were just fuck ups period!@


SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:48:55 AM EST
I'm guessing from that response that YOU were home schooled.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:49:45 AM EST
Few people have to have 2 incomes, most choose to.

Me and my wife decided when we had our first child, that we would not worry about keeping up with the jones's and she would stay at home and raise our children. She homeschools them, and they are far ahead of their public school peers.

This choice has almost cost us everything we have, our vehicles, our home, when I got laid off and she was pregnant. We made it through and we have even more resolve to continue our course of action.

We are clearing out/reducing our debt load, and if I get laid off again, we will be better situated to handle it.

Lifestyle choices are not easy, but our children are more important than that new car/house/AR15.

Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:54:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By cwd10:
I'm guessing from that response that YOU were home schooled.




Nope
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:55:18 AM EST
I blame the NEA.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 4:55:25 AM EST

Homeschooling is legal in every state.

More or less. In some states it's more difficult to get permission to do so. In the county where I live, each fall there's usually several arrests of parents who the state doesn't feel can do a good job teaching their own children. There's a couple of good local homeschool groups that try to help parents get permission to take their kids out of school, but they just don't have the money to fight the government. I've gotten my company to donate office space, web space, email accounts, use of a car, and some money to help pay for lawyers for one of the groups. It's something, but not enough.z
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:05:02 AM EST
I agree to an extent, but I think as a kid gets older their peers have a lot of influence on them when it comes to behavior. I like to think that I will be able to teach my son enough about right and wrong before he starts making friends who don't know the difference and that his teachings will put a halt to any potentially bad situations.

Is it the parents responsibility to decide who their kids can and cannot be friends with? That's a quick way to turn your kid against you.

Teachers also have a strong influence on a kid since they're so impressionable. Consider that a kid looks at a teacher as someone who has all the answers and wouldn't try to steer them wrong. As a kid goes further through school the teachers are the ones that have an influence on them while the parents become the ones who buy them clothes and give them lunch money.

However, a parent who is proactive in their child's learning should be able to pick up on biased teaching and at that point it's on them to make sure it doesn't continue. I just heard on G. G. Liddy a few days ago that they are starting to crack donw on this sort of thing in schools (not sure if it was more in grade schools or colleges)... Teachers who go on a tirade about Bush in front of their students are getting their pee pee's spanked in a serious way. I don't know if there is an actual legislatiion that allows schools to enforce unbiased teaching. I just know I heard about it.

Not to mention unless you don't mind shelling out the money for a private school, you're stuck with the school in your district in most states. If you live in a nice area, but a HUD is a few miles away and those kids attend the same school, you are pretty well going to have to deal with it.

Any school is always going to have the trouble making dumb-ass kids... I don't care where you live. But if your kid is educated and is placed with kid at th same level of learning, they shouldn't be too exposed to the dipshit kids. The classes I attended that weren't advanced placement were always a difficult learning environmen because they ere packed full of kids that hd serious discipline/behavioral issues and would waste entire class periods causing a disturbance. They weren't happy unless they were having some sort of confrontation with the teacher or other student.

The same goes for a parent who starts to see that their kid is hanging out with the "wrong" people. I imagine this would be a little more difficult to handle since odds are if the kids are fucked up the parents are too/ If this is the case having a "talk" with the parents is probably not going to produce much results.

Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:05:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/27/2004 5:06:02 AM EST by virginia22]

Originally Posted By thedave1164:
Few people have to have 2 incomes, most choose to.





I doubt it very seriously if you could speak for "most" no more than I could, I guess they have both parents working JUST to keep the roof over their heads and the bills paid.
Now I'm not saying there aren't a large number who just like to play "keep up with the Jones's "but in this area, it's almost a necessity for both to work.

Wanna know what's wrong with the public schools?

It's everyone (myself included) who's bitching about the system, are also the ones who decided making money out weighed OUR thoughts of becoming a teacher for minimal pay

Waaa, it's the liberals teaching our kids, it's the communists....the socialist.yadda yadda.

Why aren't you a school teacher .

At least they showed up.

(just so you know, I'm guilty of the going for the cash too)

Chris

PS: Having grown up near a large Catholic college and HLI ( they took over the subdivision where I grew up), Home scholars did their kids no favors. yes they were on the norm in education, but lacking in the social skills of the "real" world.
as I said above, I can't speak for most, but that was my observation of them.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:07:30 AM EST
<tinfoil time>

It is part of a larger communist plot.

First taxes are raised. This includes property, sales, and finally income taxes. Since this drives down the amount of disposable income, the parents have, both are required to work to support the lifestyle they have become accustomed to.

Since Junior can't stay home by himself, schools and day cares are established and staffed by "caring communist sympathizers" who will teach Junior how to act and think like a model citizen of the future socialist state.

Mommy and Daddy are too tired from slaving away for 40+ hours, only to give 50% of it to big government to have the energy to help Junior with any homework, or to even take a look at what is being put forward in the textbooks. Since both parents work, and neither can get off work, no one is watching what goes on in the classroom. Therefore, they can teach all the liberal communist crap they want.

<tinfoil off>

<flame suit on>
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:13:14 AM EST
Are you saying it's our fault?

Do you mean that there is something wrong with:

-having a lifestyle that requires both parents to work?

-having a baby and immediately placing it in a kennel....I mean day care at the ripe age of two weeks?

-thinking that day care is better for your child than time with the woman who gave them life?

-putting up with constant childhood illnesses picked up from day care because of all the wonderful "socialization skills" they get from hanging out with other kids dumped into day care?

-awarding the day care contract to the lowest bidder?

-demanding that after a week of being a non-parenting parent that someone should babysit your child because you deserve time off?

-confusing soccer, t-ball, ballet, and the like with actual child rearing?

-leaving the choice of tv viewing to someone who isn't even potty-trained?

-fighting in front of the children?

-drinking in front of the children?

-taking a pill for whatever ails you in front of the children?

-leering at young girls in front of your daughter and then lamenting she wants to dress like a whore?

-cursing in front of your son and then shouting at him because he shares his new words with his school buddies?

-showing disrespect for Peace Officers and ignoring traffic laws?

-failing to take your kid to church or temple because they will somehow miraculously decide on their own what moral code they will follow?

-saying in front of your kids that it isn't worth your time to mow the yard for the widow lady on your block unless you get paid for it?

-believing that your kids will learn more from your weekly two minute talk on "being good" than from watching you hour after hour and day after day?

-deciding that it's your spouse's responsibility to discipline, not yours?

-deciding to be your kids "friend" rather than their "parent?"

-thinking that you are much smarter than you think and your kids are much dumber than they are?

-putting comfort ahead of confrontation when you decide to let your underage daughter to stupid and unsafe things because she might not like you anymore?

How dare you suggest such things?
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:13:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By cwd10:
Yea, home schooling is an option, but I know some people who were home schooled, and they are socially retarted. I'm not trying to insult anyone. It's just a fact. They have a very difficult time interacting with other people. One of them commited suicide, due to his incapacity to handle social situations that he was "sheltered" from as a child. No, I don't buy it. Home schooling is just trading one kind of "fucked up" for another.



Those people would have been fucked up in public school too.
Scott
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:16:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By zoom:

Homeschooling is legal in every state.

More or less.



Is that like "kinda pregnant?" It is legal in every state. State laws vary, and can always be improved, but it's legal.

Scott
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:17:53 AM EST
Sarge, I agree with your sentiment - Mrs B and I are committed to homeschooling our kids for the reasons you and others have written. I sure hope I can afford it - or rather, I sure hope doing it doesn't pinch too much.

It would be a lot easier if I wasn't paying about $6000 per year in property taxes (which go straight to the schools).

So until the schools stop taking my money when I don't use their services, I reserve the right to complain about their performance.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:19:21 AM EST
But... . IT TAKES A VILLAGE!!!!!!!!!



Just kidding.

ktm500
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:23:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/27/2004 5:23:34 AM EST by Brisk322]

Originally Posted By ktm500:
But... . IT TAKES A VILLAGE!!!!!!!!!



Just kidding.

ktm500



Tell that to Laura Ingalls Wilder. I'm serious, read her "Little House" books (memoirs, really, IMHO), and you'll see that she was raised (very well, IMHO) in a rural two-parent home. Rural, did I say? How about a dozen or so miles from the nearest people?

And she was teaching elementary school at 16, IIRC. (Mrs B was a big fan of hers when she was a kid.)

ETA - I know you're kidding...
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:25:28 AM EST
I blame the Supreme Court. They decided that children had a right to tell teachers to FO and, basically, doo as they please. They decided that Special Ed students didn't need attention focused on their abilities. There are lots of these kids in regular classrooms dragging everybody else down. Don't forget the Emotionally Disabled kids. They're being moved into normal classrooms too. the SCOTUS decided that those kids rights were more important than the normal kids (the majority). Lets spend 90% of the available funds on 3% of the students!!!!
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:26:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I highly doubt that most families need two parents working away from home when they have young kids.



They do if they want the big screen, and the boat, and cable tv, and a vcr, and nintendo, and fancy vacations....

My parents understood that having children meant having to sacrifice some of those things. We were the only family in the neighborhood that didn't have cable, or a microwave, or new cars, or a VCR (this was the '80s, substitute DVD I guess these days), and we took vacations to grandma & grandpa's house. My friends had all of those luxury items. My parents also kept the windows open & the AC off as much as possible. My mom stayed home until my brother went off to kindergarten, and then worked part time to be home when my brother and I got home. Eventually she went to work fulltime when she knew that my brother and I could handle ourselves alone in the afternoon. If my brother and I wanted a new bike, or a nintendo, or whatever we saved up doing odd jobs around the neighborhood and bought it our damn selves.

My mother volunteered at the public schools we went to, and even when she worked she still made time to be on committees & whatnot that met in the evenings. My brother and I could both read by the time we got to kindergarten.

Today I am the only one of my friends that went to college, I have a bachelor's and a master's degree, I have a job in management with an unlimited future, and I make at least twice what any of my friends from back home do. Somehow I don't miss that GI Joe aircraft carrier and watching Fraggles on HBO so much now.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:36:07 AM EST
Incidentally, there is no way in blue hell I would homeschool my kids. I will move to an area where I think the public schools are better and I will take whatever pay cut I need to in order to do so.

Having children is not a right, it's a responsiblity. If you have to work two jobs just to have a roof over your head, fuck you, you don't deserve to have kids. So when you say "it's not the parents' fault that they have to send the kids to shitty schools" you're wrong and you're making excuses.

There is a member of this site who I know in real life and who has posted more than once about wanting to have children but that he can't afford it right now. I know this guy would make a great dad, but he has the sense to know that he's not financially able right now. The problem is that people who have this sense are the ones that should be having 20 kids, and the goddamn idiots who think that having children is a right should have their nuts/ovaries removed.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 5:56:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:07:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/27/2004 6:08:35 AM EST by norman74]

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
It's my tax dollars and therefore my school so I will bitch all I want to about it both in private and in the school.

Just like my government, If I don't like something I fight to change it which I am.

I work hard at parenting as well as providing. I feel my son is a well adjusted young man in spite of public education which education only starts in school but continues at home. Almost everyone who has met my son thinks so as well.

It's my right to BITCH, there!

Tj



Everyone should make an effort to do something constructive. Unfortunately it's now the American way to think that complaining about it is doing something constructive; or that going to the school and yelling at a teacher is constructive. Take some time out of your precious schedule and go down to that school and be a positive influence. Most schools are DYING for volunteers. This does not mean that you trot out Eddie Eagle on your first visit, or try to teach 1st graders about the joys of the Republican party. You find out what the school needs help with, and you do that. There are even ways to be a positive influence in the evenings and on weekends. My public elementary school had two tire playgrounds built out of donated materials and volunteer (parent) labor that was entirely at night and on weekends.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:12:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By cwd10:
Yea, home schooling is an option, but I know some people who were home schooled, and they are socially retarted. I'm not trying to insult anyone. It's just a fact. They have a very difficult time interacting with other people. One of them commited suicide, due to his incapacity to handle social situations that he was "sheltered" from as a child. No, I don't buy it. Home schooling is just trading one kind of "fucked up" for another.



-1
Bad generalization. Nearly all the homeschool kids I know are better in real society (the real world outside of public school) than any public school kid. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:20:07 AM EST
What about parents who have to both work full time, because taxes are so high, in order to save up enough dough for the college fund?
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:41:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
What about parents who have to both work full time, because taxes are so high, in order to save up enough dough for the college fund?



THEN DON'T FUCKING HAVE KIDS
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:44:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By cwd10:
Yea, home schooling is an option, but I know some people who were home schooled, and they are socially retarted. I'm not trying to insult anyone. It's just a fact. They have a very difficult time interacting with other people. One of them commited suicide, due to his incapacity to handle social situations that he was "sheltered" from as a child. No, I don't buy it. Home schooling is just trading one kind of "fucked up" for another.



-1
Bad generalization. Nearly all the homeschool kids I know are better in real society (the real world outside of public school) than any public school kid. Planerench out.



You guys are missing the point. This thread has nothing to do with homeschooling. If you want to homeschool, have at it, but that's not what this thread is about. The homeschool issue has been beaten to death around here.

The point of this thread is that lots of people go to public school and become productive members of society. It's the parents' involvement that makes the difference. Most of the parents that bitch about the schools are doing NOTHING to help make the situation better.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:45:45 AM EST
OK, sgtar15 now you done pissed me off.


We pay the schools to teach, period. And they fail miserably, not only miserably but they screw it up soo badly that any high school graduate will normally have to take several remedial courses when they get into college. Not the least of which is reading.

They fail to teach, Reading but would rather allow the CHILDREEN to explore their inner self.

They fail to teach mathematics, Stating "It's the process that is the important thing, not the answer",

They teach non competitiveness ( actually called laziness) out of self respect for self esteem.

They keep overweight kids locked up in the class room and deny them any excersice at all. And then they complained about dodgeball as being detrimental to some childrens self esteem.

They continually fail to inform parents about progress and problems, no report cards don't count, due to grade inflation ( they just don't have the time)

They fail to give parents the notification required out of general courtesy for sensitive subject matter. ( Parents input should be ignored, schools know whats best. Lets put the rubber on the banana)

They soak up our tax dollars and complain they are underfunded and require more money. ( teachers pay is too low, but the districts contiually refuse to allow audits, and they contiually report higher graduation rates than actually happen)

they claim class size is important to learning, but there are studies that show there is no relationship to class size and learning.

They inform your children that if they get spanked, thats child abuse and they should report it to the police.

Schools have contiually worked to keep the parents out of the classroom, but wnat their involvement in paying those taxes.

Home schoolers regularly out perform public school children, WHY?

People have always had to struggle to get by, parents struggle harder. The social / communist movement in the 50s and 60s gave families a set back with womens " liberation" it was part of the plan to destroy families. The schools are complicit in that plan.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:49:39 AM EST
I quit my 80g a year job to stay home with the kids. I volunteer at the school about 12hrs a week and I am at the teachers disposal. I now make less than a burrito "artist" at taco bell, but I am there for my kids.

Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:50:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mahatma8Rice:
Are you saying it's our fault?

Do you mean that there is something wrong with:

-having a lifestyle that requires both parents to work?

-having a baby and immediately placing it in a kennel....I mean day care at the ripe age of two weeks?

-thinking that day care is better for your child than time with the woman who gave them life?

-putting up with constant childhood illnesses picked up from day care because of all the wonderful "socialization skills" they get from hanging out with other kids dumped into day care?

-awarding the day care contract to the lowest bidder?

-demanding that after a week of being a non-parenting parent that someone should babysit your child because you deserve time off?

-confusing soccer, t-ball, ballet, and the like with actual child rearing?

-leaving the choice of tv viewing to someone who isn't even potty-trained?

-fighting in front of the children?

-drinking in front of the children?

-taking a pill for whatever ails you in front of the children?

-leering at young girls in front of your daughter and then lamenting she wants to dress like a whore?

-cursing in front of your son and then shouting at him because he shares his new words with his school buddies?

-showing disrespect for Peace Officers and ignoring traffic laws?

-failing to take your kid to church or temple because they will somehow miraculously decide on their own what moral code they will follow?

-saying in front of your kids that it isn't worth your time to mow the yard for the widow lady on your block unless you get paid for it?

-believing that your kids will learn more from your weekly two minute talk on "being good" than from watching you hour after hour and day after day?

-deciding that it's your spouse's responsibility to discipline, not yours?

-deciding to be your kids "friend" rather than their "parent?"

-thinking that you are much smarter than you think and your kids are much dumber than they are?

-putting comfort ahead of confrontation when you decide to let your underage daughter to stupid and unsafe things because she might not like you anymore?

How dare you suggest such things?




Yes, that is what I am saying.


Want'a fight about it?


SGtar15
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:52:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Brisk322:

I sure hope I can afford it - or rather, I sure hope doing it doesn't pinch too much.




It's going to pinch ALOT! Don't kid yourself. But if you do it right the kid pays you back in the long run. not neccessarily monitarily either.


SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:52:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:

Having children is not a right, it's a responsiblity. If you have to work two jobs just to have a roof over your head, fuck you, you don't deserve to have kids. So when you say "it's not the parents' fault that they have to send the kids to shitty schools" you're wrong and you're making excuses.

There is a member of this site who I know in real life and who has posted more than once about wanting to have children but that he can't afford it right now. I know this guy would make a great dad, but he has the sense to know that he's not financially able right now. The problem is that people who have this sense are the ones that should be having 20 kids, and the goddamn idiots who think that having children is a right should have their nuts/ovaries removed.




+1!!
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 7:04:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By longun45:
OK, sgtar15 now you done pissed me off.


We pay the schools to teach, period. And they fail miserably, not only miserably but they screw it up soo badly that any high school graduate will normally have to take several remedial courses when they get into college. Not the least of which is reading.

They fail to teach, Reading but would rather allow the CHILDREEN to explore their inner self.




My son could read by the time he was 4. My daghter was slower, she didn't master it till six. We gave them books as gifts. Then read to them. Aveage time, 15 minutes per day.


They fail to teach mathematics, Stating "It's the process that is the important thing, not the answer",


My son is weak in math. I hired a tutor after my efforts failed. He is doing better now. Did you hire a tutor?



They teach non competitiveness ( actually called laziness) out of self respect for self esteem.

They keep overweight kids locked up in the class room and deny them any excersice at all. And then they complained about dodgeball as being detrimental to some childrens self esteem.




Oh well......


They continually fail to inform parents about progress and problems, no report cards don't count, due to grade inflation ( they just don't have the time)

They fail to give parents the notification required out of general courtesy for sensitive subject matter. ( Parents input should be ignored, schools know whats best. Lets put the rubber on the banana)



Ummmm....do you ever actually GO to the school? Or do your kids go there alone? When was the last time YOU went to the school and met the teacher?

All you have to do is drive there and pick up your child. WHile there walk into the classroom and ask to met the teacher. It really is that simple. Takes about 5 minutes.


They soak up our tax dollars and complain they are underfunded and require more money. ( teachers pay is too low, but the districts contiually refuse to allow audits, and they contiually report higher graduation rates than actually happen)



True...want to stop it? Break the union.

they claim class size is important to learning, but there are studies that show there is no relationship to class size and learning.

They inform your children that if they get spanked, thats child abuse and they should report it to the police.

Schools have contiually worked to keep the parents out of the classroom, but wnat their involvement in paying those taxes.

Home schoolers regularly out perform public school children, WHY?

People have always had to struggle to get by, parents struggle harder. The social / communist movement in the 50s and 60s gave families a set back with womens " liberation" it was part of the plan to destroy families. The schools are complicit in that plan.




The rest I basically agree with. My point is that with the destruction of the basic family unit came the growth of government taking on social responsibility.


SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 7:07:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I highly doubt that most families need two parents working away from home when they have young kids.


I just don't buy it.


Fact is this. Schools started teaching "life skills" around the same time both parents started working outside the home.


So you have no on to blame be yourselves.


SGatr15



You may have a point about working parents but I don't entirely agree with you. My wife and I both work, have for the 21 years we have been married and we have raised 3 fantastic boys. I have people tell me all the time that my kids are the most responsible, respectful kids they have ever seen. It's all in how YOU raise them and the values you have and instill in your children.

But you're right, it's not about the schools, it's about the parents.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 7:09:18 AM EST
Amen sarge.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 7:33:29 AM EST
My wife and I both work so we can send our child to private school.
I deal alot with home school folks in my job. They, for the most part, are some of the most socially messed-up people I've ever met! The majority of them are SCREAMING liberals.
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 7:50:12 AM EST
Private Christian School.
Stay at home Mom.
Six high achieving students, all respectable- excelling in sports-could it be happenstance?

I made my children submit to my authority at very young ages- it's not a problem now.

The Christian home.
The Church.
The Christian school-at home or otherwise.

Three legs to a stable platform.

I make do with a smaller house, used cars, cheap vacations etc..

In many ways I'm very rich.

Always ready to give an account at the Throne...

Canooger
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 8:13:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:
If you have to work two jobs just to have a roof over your head, fuck you, you don't deserve to have kids..



I'm keeping my thoughts to myself about your greatnesses proclomations about our families worthiness to have children. Raise yours how you like the rest of us can get by without your sage advise.

All I'm going to say is that we could move back to shack, and home school, or we can raise her as best we can while still making a retirement for us, and a college fund for her. Somehow millions of kids manage to be raised right in spite of their evil, useless parents who work. Yes there will be undesirable parts of her going to daycare. At the same time we intend to be parents not just part time child care workers who put the kid to bed and get back to our busy lives.

If I see a problem that requires a change in lifestyle we'll make it.
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