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Posted: 9/12/2004 7:04:07 PM EST
Ok, so who accidentally had a misconfigured weapon for the last decade or so?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:08:11 PM EST
Admit nothing. Deny everything.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:09:08 PM EST
Neither confirm or deny
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:09:42 PM EST
cough....cough....what are you talking about?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:10:03 PM EST
Prove it.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:10:04 PM EST
Not me - too paranoid about breaking a law. Seriously - I am a giant pussy.


Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:10:19 PM EST
Vee know nuttink.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:10:32 PM EST
I saw a few one time, but before I could run to the po-po, they all jumped into a lake
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:11:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:11:39 PM EST
I'll admit that I had parts that could have been used in violation....but they were never installed-until two minutes ago....
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:12:01 PM EST
BAN!? what BAN!?

What is this "BAN" you speak of???
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:13:14 PM EST
Three rules.
1. Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Make counter accusations
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:13:38 PM EST
Had a dream about one with a bayonet lug once. Only once damn it!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:15:11 PM EST
You mean to tell me there was a ban! I had no idea.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:15:15 PM EST
A decade is a long time. Three months is a different matter....
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:17:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jasba:
Three rules.
1. Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Make counter accusations





Sounds like the Kerry campaign
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:17:22 PM EST
Well, I didn't do it, but I know someone who "accidentally" put a magazine tube extension onto a Benelli M1 Super-90 hotgun.

Not me of course!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:18:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jasba:
Three rules.
1. Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Make counter accusations

Spoken like a true Republican!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:18:19 PM EST
Whatever do you mean?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:18:38 PM EST
You know it.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:19:40 PM EST
I'm a green card holder. I dont spit on the sidewalk.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:20:33 PM EST
allways keep your mouth shut, and never rat on your friends
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:20:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 7:22:32 PM EST by Longtrail]
I gave $1200 for mine (what used to be pre-ban) 2 years ago. At that time I did not think the ban would end, I'm glad I was wrong.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:20:56 PM EST
A decade? No. A week? I'll take amendment 5 for $100, Alex.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:21:20 PM EST


HS1
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:21:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 9:16:52 PM EST by texastactical]
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:22:02 PM EST
I lost my guns duck hunting.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:22:27 PM EST

What law?





Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:24:40 PM EST
Pre bans always scared me...those evil looking bayonet lugs made me buy postbans so I felt safe...
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:26:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 7:34:58 PM EST by Tripwire]
I plead the fizif!

.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:28:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:29:49 PM EST
The skeletons in my closet are starting to move...

[william wallace]

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM

[/william wallace]
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:31:21 PM EST
fuck I wanted to make this thread first but I was too busy bullshitting on the phone when it turned midnight
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:32:39 PM EST
"Plausible Deniability"
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:33:18 PM EST
Before you answer, go here: www.atf.gov/firearms/saw-factsheet.htm://

and read this:

"Anyone who illegally possessed, manufactured, or transferred semiautomatic assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices before the bans sunset still have violated the law since their possession, manufacture, or transfer was illegal at the time."

So, Hell No!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:35:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jasba:
Three rules.
1. Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Make counter accusations





Traditionally, there are Four Rules:

1. Admit Nothing
2. Deny Everything
3. Demand Proof
4. Make counter accusations
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:40:56 PM EST
Everybody wave

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:42:00 PM EST
Is there something in the constitution against this bullshit?

I forget the term but how can you be punished for something that is no longer against the law.....

Back to the thread: Not me, I paid postban prices for a preban last year!

Hoping to give her to a loving home behind enemy lines.... people in those other states need to piss off liberals too!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:43:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 7:44:20 PM EST by Tripwire]
ex post facto??


Latin for "from a thing done afterward." Ex post facto is most typically used to refer to a law that applies retroactively, thereby criminalizing conduct that was legal when originally performed. Two clauses in the US Constitution prohibit ex post facto laws: Art 1, § 9 and Art. 1 § 10. see, e.g. Collins v. Youngblood 497 US 37 (1990) and California Dep't of Corrections v. Morales 514 US 499 (1995).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/lexicon/ex_post_facto.htm
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:44:25 PM EST
Maybe I did and maybe I didn't and maybe I did 3 times but then, I'll never tell.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:47:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Vee know nuttink.




Whoo da fuk is Vee?

ju gotta mouse in yur poket?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:49:42 PM EST
I believe that is you cannot be convicted of a act that you did a week ago even though it is against the law this week..... I am not a lawyer and I have never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express !
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:50:06 PM EST
Nope. I may occasionally tweak a speed limit law, but I'm real careful (paranoid) about firearms laws. Something in my head says "If you're going to break a law, don't let it be something that would get the alphabet police involved".
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:54:00 PM EST
I can neither confirm nor deny that a certain rifle in my possession had a certain part swapped that was not allowed by a certain law. I can also neither confirm nor deny that said part was installed a week ago.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:55:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By mercurus:
Admit nothing. Deny everything.



If I had ever done anything wrong, which I haven't, I would probably follow this advise.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:57:13 PM EST
This one always worked for Hitlary: "I'm sorry, but I don't recall.."
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:58:05 PM EST
You can most definately be prosecuted for having broken a law, even if it is now no longer the law.

Just ask Oliver North.


I hope no one here violated the letter of the law while it was in effect - that's a high risk game.
And if so, I hope no one is foolish enough to publicly admit that they did so.

Will they track you down and prosecute you? I seriously doubt it.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:58:21 PM EST
Maybe I did, maybe I din't.
You'll never get nuttin outta me copper, I ain't no stool pigeon!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 8:00:34 PM EST
is this a gun board oh shit I dont own any guns see ya
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 8:17:39 PM EST
I heard a story once about a couple of buddies who went to the range once, sometime within the last 10 years. One guy had a preban AR, one guy had a postban AR.

When they got home, they made triple damn sure the weapons were clear, then began to clean them and have a few beers.

During the course of the evening, rumor has it that one guy took the preban upper and put it on the postban lower, and they both played with it and had a good laugh about how ridiculous the law really was.

I'm not sure if it's true, it's just a rumor I heard.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 8:19:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By rockymass:
Before you answer, go here: www.atf.gov/firearms/saw-factsheet.htm://

and read this:

"Anyone who illegally possessed, manufactured, or transferred semiautomatic assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices before the bans sunset still have violated the law since their possession, manufacture, or transfer was illegal at the time."

So, Hell No!




Maybe we should post the above excerpt from ATF in big Size 6 letters.

Of course not. My stuff was in vaportech before the 1994 enactment.

BTW, Ex Post Facto (after the fact) would be if you did something that was legal in August, and they passed a law banning it in September, they could not attempt a prosecution based on the now illegal nature of your activities; only on any actions performed after the action is made illegal by law, or executive order.

Not pre-law in college... just constitutional studies, and consecutive "F"'s in latin for three trimesters...
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