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Posted: 2/1/2001 9:25:54 PM EDT

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
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February 1, 2001

ALERT: Second Amendment Supporters Denied Entry to Million Mom
March Meeting

Last night, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
sent out an urgent Alert to Second Amendment supporters in
the Los Angeles area to attend a meeting at the infamous
North Valley Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills,
California, this evening to give positive input on pending
California Senate Bill 52, sponsored by State Sen. Jack Scott
(D-Burbank). This Jewish community center gained notoriety on
August 10, 1999, when Buford O. Furrow calmly walked in and
attempted to slaughter innocent people.
(http://jpfo.org/alert19990811.htm)

SB 52 would require anyone buying or selling a handgun in
California to obtain a license. Scott's staff member, Michelle
Brewer, was to be on hand to speak on the regulatory aspects
of this odious bill should it pass in the state legislature.
This forum was to be the highlight of a meeting of the San
Fernando Valley Chapter of the Million Moms. (To learn more
about the Million Moms see http://www.millionmommarch.org/).

A large group of Second Amendment supporters, along with
myself, were waiting in the lobby for the meeting to begin
at the scheduled 7:00 P.M., when we were informed by a woman
identifying herself as Francine Naor from the San Fernando
Valley Chapter of the Million Moms that the meeting had been
canceled.

"Canceled?", I asked in front of our supporters from JPFO,
NRA and the Jewish Defense League. "Well, not exactly, but
it is a closed door meeting. All of you are on private
property and I'm asking you to leave immediately." Incredulous,
I began to ask her a few questions, like why the meeting with
Sen. Scott's staffer had been canceled at the last moment with
all the advance publicity. "I am not going to argue with you",
she huffed. "Wait a moment!", I said, "Is your group not
interested in hearing an opposing viewpoint?" "This a closed
door, private meeting", she reiterated, "And you are on
private property!"

Now, as a US Army Infantry veteran, I've been shouted out by
pros. This kind of puffed chest intimidation was Little League
stuff.

"Madam, I am a rabbi as you can plainly see. This is a Jewish
community center, I am standing in the lobby, and *not* intruding
on your private meeting!" No voices were raised in anger, but
the tension in that lobby with about 50 Second Amendment
activists versus this one lady was beginning to fluster her.
A moment later, an *unarmed*, uniformed private security guard
ordered us out of the building. "This is private property, and
you all can leave NOW!", he commanded. Trying to explain to him
that we had come to attend a well advertised forum was wasted
words. And then three LAPD officers arrived, including a
sergeant. When a sergeant shows up in L.A. instead of an
ordinary patrol officer, something is seriously amiss.  I
asked one of the patrol officers why they had been called
(two patrol cars), and she answered that it had nothing to
do with us. There was no trouble or threat noticeable to
anyone present. Our side was the picture of calm and civility.

We left the lobby to discuss the situation in the parking lot
directly outside. Again, the private security guard eme
Link Posted: 2/1/2001 9:27:21 PM EDT
Reached the 4k word limit.



Jewish Defense League Chairman Irv Rubin was present, as well.
Though we both live in Los Angeles and even attended the same
high school, we had never before met. We have, he and I, had a
few journalistic clashes over the years. We shook hands and
exchanged cordialities. I told him in a voice loud enough for
the assembled group to hear that, in spite of our differences
in strategies, we shared a lot of common ground. We warmly
shook hands a second time, to the approval of all present.
Irv Rubin has never had any qualms about being arrested for
causes he has considered vital to Jewish defense, but he agreed
there was nothing for us to do but go home. The Million Moms
doesn't give a tinker's damn for any viewpoint other than
their own.

This is America. That's their prerogative.

I am not a conspiracy theorist--to a point. Could it be that
word of Second Amendment supporters stealing their stage made
the Million Moms change the evening's agenda?

You figure it out. I'm pretty sure the issue is straight in
my mind.

This is how the destroyers of freedom work in America, friends.
They lie and turn a deaf ear to anyone, even a peaceful rabbi--
anything to keep the truth from being heard.

My thanks to all of you in attendance this evening. We were
hustled off the private property of a Jewish community center,
though we had assembled peacefully for a publicized event. Your
calm and dignity did our cause of freedom proud.

Where was this security guard the day Buford Furrow tried to
kill small children, a teenage girl and a 68-year-old woman
on August 10, 1999?

In liberty,
Rabbi R. Mermelstein

Link Posted: 2/1/2001 9:53:52 PM EDT
This is what I wish to ALL the MMM:
Be TOTALY unarmed when YOU get raped and your children murdered. Shut up and don't bitch about it.
Link Posted: 2/1/2001 9:54:15 PM EDT
Folks of the Jewish religion have seen what is happening now, before. 1934, Deutschland... To paraphrase; we are the first country to require that all arms held by the people are registered. Many countries in the future will follow Germany's lead. --Adolph Hitler

Check your arms at the door before your shower.



(I say this harshly, not to offend to piss folks off, but to offend to piss folks off.)

B
Link Posted: 2/2/2001 7:06:36 AM EDT
It is call bipartisan support, when you agree with the liberals point of view, and you can't present opposing views.
Link Posted: 2/2/2001 2:03:48 PM EDT
I like the jpfo better than the NRA. i will always continue my membership with them just for the granpa jack comic. for shame on those jews for being anti-semitic.
Link Posted: 2/2/2001 2:33:34 PM EDT
These anti-gun jews are trying to form the new version of the Warsaw Ghetto Judenrat.
Link Posted: 2/2/2001 3:03:08 PM EDT
This is what is wrong with the gun movement.

They left peaceably.

Why didn't they just sit on the floor, interlock their arms, and refuse to leave until they were allowed access to the meeting.

By running away with their tails between their legs, they are a minor distraction.

By practicing civil disobedience, they would have most likely made the evening news and brought publicity to our cause.

If our people aren't willing to face so minor a thing as a trespassing charge, how are we ever going to gain support?

I know, I wasn't there and I don't know the dynamics of the situation, but I would like to think that I would have done more than just wimp out. And I would hope that someone would have stood with me.

My$.02, anyway. Flame away, if you feel like it.
Link Posted: 2/2/2001 3:18:33 PM EDT
GovtThug,
I'm with you. Just look at any other successful movement. Like the homosexuals. That is one of the most loathsome actions, and yet, now it's accepted by many who don't practice it as OK. Queers didn't get to this point by being nice! Rosa Parks broke a few laws too! Now we have reverse discrimination. Violent no, nasty maybe. Illegal? yeah, but not felonious.
Link Posted: 3/3/2001 8:34:35 PM EDT
Being of Jewish heritage, I am ashamed of the anti-gun attitude of many American Jews, especially the elite. Israel would have lasted two minutes if they had been as politically correct. If one group should know the danger of disarmament, it should be us. [smoke]
Link Posted: 3/3/2001 10:14:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/3/2001 10:37:00 PM EDT by HANGFIRE]
I would not allow MMM to close the meeting
without some civil disobdience. Newspaper
television policeblotter sitin style. Nonviolent
confrontation. House of worship is private
property? Get the JFPF 1st Million Mom March
posters and be where they be!

PS
Remember a while back before the election
a Black Minister was IRS'd because his Church
was involved in Politics, well I would try the
same thing. I would go to Church and demand
the Minister resign if that happened in my area.
Maybe you should have a fund raiser and use the
money for a private detective to see if you can get some dirt on this group. Have some of your
people check and see if all their paperwork is
in order. Get busy. Infiltrate. Write letters to
the paper, state and local officals, video tape
pull the plug on these facists!
Link Posted: 3/4/2001 3:28:52 PM EDT
I think some of you are right. It is time for us to play hardball.
Link Posted: 3/4/2001 3:54:39 PM EDT
That does it.

I have been reading and benefiting from JPFO for years.

I am an Endowment Life Member of the NRA and a GOA member.  There is only so much money to go around.

However, I will now log on and join JPFO, too.

Should have done it long ago.
Link Posted: 3/4/2001 11:23:41 PM EDT
You can keep going on to be ashamed of some jewish anti-gun attitudes.
One of the things that is really stopping me to go to live in Israel is that the gun-laws in that country (now is for a half MINE too) come from british laws... pratically speaking you can't almost own nothing...
And this because the National Israel Woman Association in 2000 asked to have stricter gun laws in Israel... *SIGH!*
I agree with you that if Israel wouln't be armed, It couldn't defend itself from AGGRESION (and I remark the word AGGRESION) by the Arabs.
The system also in Israel is unfair and discriminatory... try to have a gun licence if you are not a jew...

Originally Posted By SS109:
Being of Jewish heritage, I am ashamed of the anti-gun attitude of many American Jews, especially the elite. Israel would have lasted two minutes if they had been as politically correct. If one group should know the danger of disarmament, it should be us. [smoke]
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Link Posted: 3/5/2001 8:46:12 AM EDT
anyone have an e-mail address for these idiots? i'd love to say a few word, nicely of course. that always works better.
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