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Posted: 7/14/2002 9:26:36 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/14/2002 9:31:01 PM EST
ya russia's peice of crap tank is trying to make a boom boom!
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 9:33:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020711/i/1026399499.4160790606.jpg[/img] Can anyone explain what is happening in this pic?
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White phosphorous
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 9:34:42 PM EST
It looks like chaff but im not to sure.Anyhow the T90 is the export version of the T80 i do beleive.Same goes for the T72 is the export version of the T64. I think we do the same thing with our M1's.
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 9:40:06 PM EST
Just another Hellfire magnet. Or Javelin. Or GAU/8. Or... you get the picture.
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 9:40:56 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/14/2002 9:42:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gunbert: Just another Hellfire magnet. Or Javelin. Or GAU/8. Or... you get the picture.
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Dont foget the Mavrick or the Vulcan 30mm.
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 9:43:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By raven:
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020711/i/1026399499.4160790606.jpg[/img] Can anyone explain what is happening in this pic?
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White phosphorous
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That is a photo of one HUGE-ASS sea anenome that has crawled up onto land in search of tasty tanks. Or, it could be White Phosphorous, do they use that anymore?
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 9:45:31 PM EST
Yes we still use Willy Pete,Mix a little HE and walla shake and bake.
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 10:48:22 PM EST
The picture is of the WP launchers going off. There are WP grenade launchers on each side of the turret. You fire them off and you get an instant smoke screen that's hot. It doesn't last as long as smoke generated by a smoke generator, but it makes smoke instantly and will cover your butt fast. Most countries use a similar system, including the US. Ross
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 10:56:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheFNG:
Originally Posted By Gunbert: Just another Hellfire magnet. Or Javelin. Or GAU/8. Or... you get the picture.
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Dont foget the Mavrick or the Vulcan 30mm.
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I was going by memory... but I'm pretty sure the GAU/8 is the fancy name for the 30mm vulcan on the A10. God knows someone here will correct me if I'm wrong! [BD]
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 11:04:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/14/2002 11:09:44 PM EST by Ross]
Originally Posted By usmc0311: It looks like chaff but im not to sure.Anyhow the T90 is the export version of the T80 i do beleive.Same goes for the T72 is the export version of the T64. I think we do the same thing with our M1's.
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The T-64 and T72 are two completely different tanks. They have a similar layout, and if anything you could say the T-72 is a decendant of the T-64. T-64 production ended as early as 1972, and the same plants then made T-72s. The T-64 used a different engine, suspension, turret, and firecontrol. The hulls are pretty much the same, along with the gun and NBC system. You can visually identify the two different tanks by just looking at them. The T-64 was to replace the T-62, but was found to be junk. They ceased production of the T-64 and began production of the T-72. The Russians use the T-72 and have sold it all over the place. While there is no doubt that there is a specific export version, the T-72 is not just the export version of the T-64. The T-64 was just junk that the USSR/Russia never bothered to export because they ceased all production and shifted to the T-72 for themselves and export. The T-72 basically was a follow-on design that addressed the problems with the T-64 and has been a successful design for them. Ross
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 11:19:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By Ross: The T-72 basically was a follow-on design that addressed the problems with the T-64 and has been a successful design for them.
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They certainly were successful from a sales standpoint, but I'm not sure if the Iraqis would agree from a performance perspective. [url]http://www.ztrashbuckle.com/desert_storm/BattleDamage11.jpg[/url] (warning, over 300kb in size)
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 11:29:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By larry_b:
Originally Posted By Ross: The T-72 basically was a follow-on design that addressed the problems with the T-64 and has been a successful design for them.
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They certainly were successful from a sales standpoint, but I'm not sure if the Iraqis would agree from a performance perspective. [url]http://www.ztrashbuckle.com/desert_storm/BattleDamage11.jpg[/url] (warning, over 300kb in size)
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As far as performance, the Israelis had shown long before that the T-72 wasn't a super tank. They pretty much took out every one they ran across in Lebanon about as fast as we did Iraqi T-72's. The T-72 was probably better than our old M60A1, but it probably wasn't as good as the M60A3, and far behind the M1, Centurion, Leopard generation. Ross
Link Posted: 7/14/2002 11:37:48 PM EST
There is also one other important reason why our tanks dominated the Iraqi's and the Israeli's dominated the Lebanese. The same reason that we dominate the air as well...the quality of the men operating these machines. Not only do we have great tanks and jets, but more importantly, we have the best trained men in the world manning them.
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 12:06:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 6:58:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020709/i/1026236091.3221250123.jpg[/img] A Russian T-80 tank demonstrates its capabilities during an exhibition in the Urals town of Nizhny Tagil.
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capabilities? of what making large firworks?
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 7:09:32 AM EST
...unfortunately, Russia can only afford to make eight T-90s.
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 7:18:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: There is also one other important reason why our tanks dominated the Iraqi's and the Israeli's dominated the Lebanese. The same reason that we dominate the air as well...the quality of the men operating these machines. Not only do we have great tanks and jets, but more importantly, we have the best trained men in the world manning them.
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Amen, Right now they are defending our freedom
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 7:21:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 7:25:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: ...unfortunately, Russia can only afford to make eight T-90s.
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Huh, they must've increased their production recently. [:D]
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 7:32:39 AM EST
[img]http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/MolonLabe/yeehaww.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 7:36:07 AM EST
That four or five foot drop must be nasty on the kidneys.
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 7:48:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By Branson: [img]http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/MolonLabe/yeehaww.jpg[/img]
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Haha! [:D]
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 8:12:50 AM EST
OK I couldn't resist: [img]http://greghavener.com/images/yeehaww.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 9:56:33 AM EST
[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020711/i/1026398698.3691012165.jpg[/img]
That four or five foot drop must be nasty on the kidneys.
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Like you wouldn’t believe. You [b]DO NOT[/b] want to be in that tank when it lands [B)] I would also bet that jump wrecked most of the suspension, from the torsion bars down to the road wheels.
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 10:46:14 AM EST
I would also bet that jump wrecked most of the suspension, from the torsion bars down to the road wheels.
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No I don't think so. They wouldn't have done the stunt if that was the case, it would have invited too much embarrassment in front of the potential buyers. Makes little difference since it cant outrun a missile. As long as they keep building such tiny tanks, and insist on placing all the amunition in one place under the turret floor, they will continue to go kaboom when we hit them. I don't see anything on this tank that looks like a improvement in protection.
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 5:29:19 PM EST
I believe the theory is that since they obviously can't afford to build any thing near as survivable as an Abrams type,they go for Lightweight,speed and affordability.
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 7:02:37 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/15/2002 8:06:31 PM EST
Ah Ha ! Moving M1A Abrahams targets !
Link Posted: 7/15/2002 9:12:40 PM EST
Aimless is right,that jump is legit.I watched a show that had different armor driving threw obstacles,probably the same thing shown here.You gotta remember that these tanks are alot lighter than an Abrams and the Russians are as expert as anyone at designing a tank suspension.these things are real agile and mobile.I believe they are actually designed and built in the Ukrain. I read the Saudi's have 300+ Abrams.If these are top line or not I don't know.
Link Posted: 7/16/2002 2:06:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020711/i/1026398698.3691012165.jpg[/img] A Russian T-90 tank demonstrates its capabilities during an exhibition on July 11, 2002,
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just before it breaks down, needing a special part only produced in one factory, that is coincidentally out of power because the sub-standard nuclear plant just went kablooey; no big deal though, considering that this tank will never be fielded by an army that can actually fight for a shit.
Link Posted: 7/16/2002 2:16:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/16/2002 2:26:49 PM EST
Actually the T90 has alot of cool stuff on it. That smoke picture is likely (though I'm not perfectly sure) to be the ARENA or VRISS system in action. It consists of a electro optical missile jammer which reduces the effectivness of ATGM's and it also automagically fires someke in the direction of the ATGM. The Armor on the T90 is a composite material such as chombham armor (though likely not as advanced as western stuff) and the advanced ERA is belived by US sources to be capable of helping defeat APFSDSDU rounds... http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t90/ http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/t-90.htm There a ton more sources but I can't remember them right now...
Link Posted: 7/16/2002 2:47:10 PM EST
Never underestimate your enemy. remember, we were pretty much out gunned in WWII as far as tanks were concerned, and still figured out a way to take them out. just my .02
Link Posted: 7/16/2002 2:51:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By crumabn: Never underestimate your enemy. remember, we were pretty much out gunned in WWII as far as tanks were concerned, and still figured out a way to take them out. just my .02
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just before it breaks down, needing a special part only produced in one factory, that is coincidentally out of power because the sub-standard nuclear plant just went kablooey; [red]no big deal though, considering that this tank will never be fielded by an army that can actually fight for a shit.[/red]
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I think that's been covered.
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 6:24:28 PM EST
Since it is apparently just a big POS who's gonna volunteer to sit in a fighting position as one rumbles toward you and all you got is an AT4?lol .
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 6:34:16 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/17/2002 7:40:54 PM EST
A) on aircraft gatling gun designations: 7.62mm = 'Minigun' ('cause it's a miniature version of the Vulcan) (GAU/2) Used in helos and small planes 20mm = 'Vulcan' (GAU/4) 'standard' fighter gun 25mm = 'Equalizer' (GAU/12), Harrier/Spectre gun 30mm = 'Avenger' (GAU/8) A-10 gun And it seems that the WP launcher could mess up a recent (C or newer) Maverick, since they are 'imaging IR' guided...
Link Posted: 7/17/2002 8:36:28 PM EST
[size=4][b][red]... We'll gladly kick its ass[/red][/b][/size=4] [img]http://pao.hood.army.mil/21CAV/21cav-photo/ah64d/d17.jpg[/img] ... My baby!
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