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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:42:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/25/2014 4:44:05 PM EDT by ArmyInfantryVet]
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/25/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Kiev, Ukraine (CNN)\ -- U.S. President Barack Obama threatened Russia on Friday with new sanctions over its actions in Ukraine as the Ukrainian Prime Minister also came out with tough words against Moscow.

The United States could announce further sanctions as early as next week, U.S. officials say.

Russian attempts to start conflict in Ukraine will lead to military conflict in Europe, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk warned.

He also charged Russia with aiming to occupy his country "militarily and politically," and said Moscow wants to start a third world war.






ETA: Looks like Russia isn't happy about Ukraine's attempts to retake cities from pro-russian separatists.

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It's just a matter of time now. Days, probably.
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inevitab............ENEVITAB... inev.....It's going to happen.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 4:49:36 PM EDT
yeah the US has done everything they could do to provoke Russia into a hot war in order to place blame for the inevitable demise of the petrodollar.

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Originally Posted By viahj:
yeah the US has done everything they could do to provoke Russia into a hot war in order to place blame for the inevitable demise of the petrodollar.

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lol
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Just imagine what sanctions he'll threaten Putin with if he invades Poland!
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Or Alaska. That would be a letter from Barry that only the bravest of the brave could stand to read.
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What is Russia going to replace it with? The Ruble? Lol, that'll really start a trend.
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Think I'll rewatch the original Red Dawn this weekend.

The Sum of All Fears

By Dawn's Early Light
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Several government agencies have been buying vast quantities of construction site red line spray paint...
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I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?
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Or Alaska. That would be a letter from Barry that only the bravest of the brave could stand to read.
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Just imagine what sanctions he'll threaten Putin with if he invades Poland!
Or Alaska. That would be a letter from Barry that only the bravest of the brave could stand to read.

As long as american idol continues to air on time on people won't even notice.

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Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.
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Ukraine hasn't given me an impression that they'll fight for their sovereignty against Russia.
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Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.
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Originally Posted By weptek911:
I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?


Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.


This
What surprises me is when they had their riot in freedom park or whatever its called. They were burning govt
buildings, Ukrainian buildings, the army stood by helpless. They should of moved in then against their own
people and their own police and put them under arrest. Both the police and the protesters I mean.

Even the Egyptian army did much better against the MB. They realized the country was spiraling down and
decided to step in.
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inevitab............ENEVITAB... inev.....It's going to happen.
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Originally Posted By Layer60:
It's just a matter of time now. Days, probably.

inevitab............ENEVITAB... inev.....It's going to happen.


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That whole giving up their nukes thing isn't working out very well for them.
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Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.
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Originally Posted By weptek911:
I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?


Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.


I've been watching the Vice News "Ukraine invasion" series, which is definately done with a pro-Kiev slant, and I have yet to see a single Ukrainian military dude do anything other than hand over their weapons when even the least bit of resistance is encountered.

It's sure seems to be a crappy situation for everyone but the Russians.
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I'd guess so.
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

Ukraine hasn't given me an impression that they'll fight for their sovereignty against Russia.
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By weptek911:
I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?

Ukraine hasn't given me an impression that they'll fight for their sovereignty against Russia.


And everyone knows it. Hell. They're waiting for the Russians just like the rest of the world is waiting for it.

I think Putin is only waiting to see if Obama will prod him a little more into not doing it; so he can go ahead and do it and get the double whammy of pwning "the Americans" to increase his international capital.
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Russia snagged a bunch of their SA10s when all this started
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We need to increase our natural gas exports to Europe.

We need to remind our NATO allies of their commitments and push them to increase their defense budgets.

We need to strengthen our NATO allies in Eastern Europe.

Sanctions are foolish. They're just window dressing. Anything we provide to the Ukraine we may as well hand over to the Russians. We've been asleep too long and we've already lost here, but the question is whether we remain asleep and lose a lot more.

We need double or hell triple our effort regarding Missile Defense particularly in regards to Europe.

Link Posted: 4/25/2014 5:57:50 PM EDT
Let's hope the Ukrainians have a good stockpile of RPG-29s and Kornets....
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I've been watching the Vice News "Ukraine invasion" series, which is definately done with a pro-Kiev slant, and I have yet to see a single Ukrainian military dude do anything other than hand over their weapons when even the least bit of resistance is encountered.

It's sure seems to be a crappy situation for everyone but the Russians.
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Originally Posted By Tboy:
Originally Posted By weptek911:
I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?


Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.


I've been watching the Vice News "Ukraine invasion" series, which is definately done with a pro-Kiev slant, and I have yet to see a single Ukrainian military dude do anything other than hand over their weapons when even the least bit of resistance is encountered.

It's sure seems to be a crappy situation for everyone but the Russians.


Weak military means they would just get slaughtered. They know it. Shitty position to be in. Do you commit suicide or just turn the clock back to your childhood? The people who care enough aren't where this is all going down.

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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

What is Russia going to replace it with? The Ruble? Lol, that'll really start a trend.
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By viahj:
yeah the US has done everything they could do to provoke Russia into a hot war in order to place blame for the inevitable demise of the petrodollar.


What is Russia going to replace it with? The Ruble? Lol, that'll really start a trend.

non-sequitor. the end of the petrodollar does not mean that the Ruble is in play, it isn't. China has been buying fucktons of gold, not to back the Yuan as the GRC, but to get into the SDR basket. Russia has backed the Yuan and China has backed Russia in Ukraine. ymmv.
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
We need to increase our natural gas exports to Europe.

We need to remind our NATO allies of their commitments and push them to increase their defense budgets.

We need to strengthen our NATO allies in Eastern Europe.

Sanctions are foolish. They're just window dressing. Anything we provide to the Ukraine we may as well hand over to the Russians. We've been asleep too long and we've already lost here, but the question is whether we remain asleep and lose a lot more.

We need double or hell triple our effort regarding Missile Defense particularly in regards to Europe.

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the US and NATO are broke. that's the point of the push to WW3.
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Think I'll rewatch the original Red Dawn this weekend.

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Watched 13 days last night...

LOL
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Watched 13 days last night...

LOL
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Originally Posted By Silver_Surfer:
Think I'll rewatch the original Red Dawn this weekend.

The Sum of All Fears

By Dawn's Early Light

Watched 13 days last night...

LOL


That's right Canada will be involved also. Welcome to the party
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/25/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Kiev, Ukraine (CNN)\ -- U.S. President Barack Obama threatened Russia on Friday with new sanctions over its actions in Ukraine as the Ukrainian Prime Minister also came out with tough words against Moscow.

The United States could announce further sanctions as early as next week, U.S. officials say.

Russian attempts to start conflict in Ukraine will lead to military conflict in Europe, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk warned.

He also charged Russia with aiming to occupy his country "militarily and politically," and said Moscow wants to start a third world war.






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That'll elicit another sternly worded letter!


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Originally Posted By viahj:

non-sequitor. the end of the petrodollar does not mean that the Ruble is in play, it isn't. China has been buying fucktons of gold, not to back the Yuan as the GRC, but to get into the SDR basket. Russia has backed the Yuan and China has backed Russia in Ukraine. ymmv.
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By viahj:
yeah the US has done everything they could do to provoke Russia into a hot war in order to place blame for the inevitable demise of the petrodollar.


What is Russia going to replace it with? The Ruble? Lol, that'll really start a trend.

non-sequitor. the end of the petrodollar does not mean that the Ruble is in play, it isn't. China has been buying fucktons of gold, not to back the Yuan as the GRC, but to get into the SDR basket. Russia has backed the Yuan and China has backed Russia in Ukraine. ymmv.



Well, maybe the world should trade in gold bullion instead of the dollar. I shall consider the implications.
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I huess somebody forgot what it was like.
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

Ukraine hasn't given me an impression that they'll fight for their sovereignty against Russia.
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Originally Posted By weptek911:
I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?

Ukraine hasn't given me an impression that they'll fight for their sovereignty against Russia.


Why would they? Turn your country into a fucking scene outa Stalingrad in WWII or let the people who were always pulling the strings continue to pull the strings.
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I HOPE THAT HAUNTS HER FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE!
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 6:45:41 PM EDT
What surprises me is when they had their riot in freedom park or whatever its called. They were burning govt
buildings, Ukrainian buildings, the army stood by helpless. They should have moved in then against their own
people and their own police and put them under arrest. Both the police and the protesters I mean.
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Looking at it in retrospect, is it outside the realm of possibility that the Russians orchestrated the whole series of events in Maidan Square to give them an excuse to intervene? This would be the mother of all "false flag" operations, but I wouldn't put it past the Russian mode of thinking.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 6:48:36 PM EDT
Youtube the Vice reports on the Ukraine. The Ukies are just handing over their own guns and vehicles to the pro Ruskies. Regardless of what ARFCOM says 80% of ARFCOM has never spent a day of their life in another country. Russia taking the Ukraine is like us taking over a Canadian providence on our border where 30-50% want it. Get over it, it's Russia's
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Greece, a NATO ally, is expecting 1.5 million Russian tourists this summer. It needs that Russian tourist revenue to keep its economy afloat.

Next winter, it's going to need Gasprom natural gas imports, provided by Russia at attractive rates, to keep its people from freezing.

Meanwhile, Greece is bankrupt.

If you were the Greek prime minister, what would you do?

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inevitab............ENEVITAB... inev.....It's going to happen.
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Originally Posted By Layer60:
It's just a matter of time now. Days, probably.

inevitab............ENEVITAB... inev.....It's going to happen.
And Nothing will happen to stop Russia. Nothing.
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I HOPE THAT HAUNTS HER FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE!
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I HOPE THAT HAUNTS HER FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE!


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Originally Posted By viahj:
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What in the fuck
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Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.
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Originally Posted By weptek911:
I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?


Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.


This. Submarines, ships and aircraft given up without a fight.
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Weak military means they would just get slaughtered. They know it. Shitty position to be in. Do you commit suicide or just turn the clock back to your childhood? The people who care enough aren't where this is all going down.

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Originally Posted By Tboy:
Originally Posted By weptek911:
I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?


Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.


I've been watching the Vice News "Ukraine invasion" series, which is definately done with a pro-Kiev slant, and I have yet to see a single Ukrainian military dude do anything other than hand over their weapons when even the least bit of resistance is encountered.

It's sure seems to be a crappy situation for everyone but the Russians.


Weak military means they would just get slaughtered. They know it. Shitty position to be in. Do you commit suicide or just turn the clock back to your childhood? The people who care enough aren't where this is all going down.

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Defend your fucking country or you don't deserve to be one
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This fucking idiot is going to get world war 3 started.

I wonder if Ukraine has figured out that barry is nothing but hot air and red lines.
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Originally Posted By Layer60:
It's just a matter of time now. Days, probably.

inevitab............ENEVITAB... inev.....It's going to happen.
Of happenings.
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Zero, soon to be be seen at Andrews AFB waving a piece of paper over his head and telling anyone who will listen Peace is at Hand.
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Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.
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Originally Posted By weptek911:
I though Ukraine has/had good AA missiles?


Even the Ukrainians have no faith in their military. Not a single shot was fired in Crimea.


They did not even scuttle their only submarine or any of their navy ships. No booby trapped ammo dumps. No land mines. Nothing.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 7:46:03 PM EDT
Maybe I haven't been paying attention and correct me if I'm wrong...but.....the initial maiden protesters were barely armed. Sticks, rocks and an occasional shotgun or Nagant pistol. Yet these pro-Russian "militia" are running around with VEPR-12s, RPKs, 74s and 47s, and crew served weapons, belt feds, and explosives. Does Putin think the world is stupid? Maybe they are.....
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 7:47:19 PM EDT
The only fighting that I have seen was by rock throwing guys in Kiev.
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This fucking idiot is going to get world war 3 started.

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+1 These fools have no idea what the hell they are doing, they are playing with fire.
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