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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:44:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 8:49:05 PM EDT by NYPatriot]
What do you make of this story? Truth or BS? Hell, I'm not even sure what type of missile system they are talking about.... air defense? Strategic? Other???

en.rian.ru/russia/20050927/41524134.html


MOSCOW, September 27 (RIA Novosti) - President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that Russia would deploy new hypersonic missile systems that would be virtually invulnerable to enemy defenses.

"We are developing and will deploy new strategic high-precision systems that have no rivals across the globe. These hypersonic systems will be capable of changing the course and altitude. They will be practically invulnerable, including to air defense systems," the president said speaking on live television and radio.

Commenting on the president's statement, an air defense expert, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Putin must have meant state-of-the-art air defense systems, or "weapons of the future" that specialists and researchers had been working on for a long time.

The expert added that the new system would combine the functions of air defense, missile defense and space defense.

The expert said the Russian army already had sea- and land-based missile complexes such as Bulava and Topol-M.

Putin also said that Russia would continue providing its army with mobile missile systems, state-of-the-art tanks, new and modernized air defense systems.

He added that last year Russia overcame an important psychological barrier when "allocations for army re-equipment topped the $5-billion profits from arms exports," while only a few years ago, Russia did not buy anything for the army.

"A great deal has been done in the past few years to restore the defense industry's financial health," Putin said, adding this included debt settlements and jobs.

He also said that expansion to foreign markets was a way to support Russia's defense sector financially. "If our specialists make it to foreign markets and uphold our interests there, it will be a very good job," the president said.

Link Posted: 9/27/2005 8:46:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
en.rian.ru/russia/20050927/41524134.html




the kings of the east
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 8:55:59 PM EDT
They make great bleeding-edge weapons, I dont doubt him. But if we can hit ICBMs in flight we'll be able to develop systems to beat these things.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 8:57:01 PM EDT
My understanding is that their torpedos and submarine systems are hella advanced, so maybe their missiles are, too.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 9:10:08 PM EDT
Fuck that guy and his little dog, too!
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 10:17:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:
My understanding is that their torpedos and submarine systems are hella advanced, so maybe their missiles are, too.





Yeah, too bad they can't keep the things from sinking.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 10:37:48 PM EDT
you're hypersonic missles are no match for my LASERS! bwahahahaha


go ahead, spend more money

-Roth
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:24:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
They make great bleeding-edge weapons, I dont doubt him. But if we can hit ICBMs in flight we'll be able to develop systems to beat these things.



Ok, but you've gotta understand that your ICBM/MRBM/TBM killers are based on an unchanging trajectory of the payload.

That means if they find a way for the warhead to change from it's expected ballistic path--say with the help of fins or thrusters?--it will render our multi-billion dollar system largely useless.

Of course, thats for the missile based ICBM/MRBM/TBM defenses. The Air Force has been working on a laser-based defense system for years, but I haven't followed this kind of news in...years myself. Maybe someone else has an update on that?
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:30:56 AM EDT
The last I remember reading is the ground based laser intercepted a satallite, and the air based laser intercepted a sidewinder. (Could have been another AA missile)
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:56:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JSteensen:
The last I remember reading is the ground based laser intercepted a satallite, and the air based laser intercepted a sidewinder. (Could have been another AA missile)



Really? I thought the AF was working on a 747-based laser platform that used a chemical-based laser weapon to shoot down missiles. I had not heard of this system at all. When was this tested?
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 3:05:34 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:18:11 PM EDT
Just destroy the launchers before declaring hostilities. Problem solved.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:22:21 PM EDT
So we should just develop more Hypersonic missles than they have, and out-spend them (again)
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:26:03 PM EDT
maybe we should just let them test launch one and let it incinerate most of the scientists that are building it. It is the Russian way.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:27:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
What do you make of this story? Truth or BS? Hell, I'm not even sure what type of missile system they are talking about.... air defense? Strategic? Other???

en.rian.ru/russia/20050927/41524134.html


MOSCOW, September 27 (RIA Novosti) - President Vladimir Putin said blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....

He also said that expansion to foreign markets was a way to support Russia's defense sector financially. "If our specialists make it to foreign markets and uphold our interests there, it will be a very good job," the president said.


...and then he gets to the point. He just wants to sell the things.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:29:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
tag



I was hoping you'd wander into this thread and give us the low down on the new missiles. I'm rusty on all my naval tech anymore.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:30:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RyanAR15:

Originally Posted By raven:
They make great bleeding-edge weapons, I dont doubt him. But if we can hit ICBMs in flight we'll be able to develop systems to beat these things.



Ok, but you've gotta understand that your ICBM/MRBM/TBM killers are based on an unchanging trajectory of the payload.

That means if they find a way for the warhead to change from it's expected ballistic path--say with the help of fins or thrusters?--it will render our multi-billion dollar system largely useless.



But that would cut both ways, wouldn't it? In regards to the vehicle's accuracy?
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:33:09 PM EDT
KB.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:36:50 PM EDT


Gee, sounds like a first strike weapon. And I thought they and China are our "friends"!
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:40:11 PM EDT
... I thought the Cold-War / Arms-Race was over
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 2:51:44 PM EDT
I still think their cash register is coming up a little short. I believe they mentioned these systems awhile back as well, until we see a working prototype then it's nothing but a paper liger. The statement is mostly bluster with a small sprinkle of truth. Didn't we just have a sucessful test of our anti-missile radar for missle defense?
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 3:26:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... I thought the Cold-War / Arms-Race was over



Bush restarted it when he backed out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty.

Funny there will be a way do defeat the shield before the shield even reaches a 1% success rate at shooting stuff down.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 3:27:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Abbot_Hayes:

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... I thought the Cold-War / Arms-Race was over



Bush restarted it when he backed out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty.

Funny there will be a way do defeat the shield before the shield even reaches a 1% success rate at shooting stuff down.


I guess you're not including the Navy's system.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 3:31:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RyanAR15:

Originally Posted By dport:
tag



I was hoping you'd wander into this thread and give us the low down on the new missiles. I'm rusty on all my naval tech anymore.


From the sounds of it, it looks like they're building or rather upgrading their missile defense program. Hypersonic is what mach 5 or 6? We have missiles in the air defense realm that will do this.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 3:46:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/28/2005 5:17:32 PM EDT by RyanAR15]

Originally Posted By dport:
From the sounds of it, it looks like they're building or rather upgrading their missile defense program. Hypersonic is what mach 5 or 6? We have missiles in the air defense realm that will do this.



Sure, but the first sentance of the articles leads me to believe that it is an offensive missle system.

The last hypersonic supersonic ASM I remember the Russians fielding was the...Sunburst? I think. I can't remmber the SS-N- designation anymore. But from what I remember it was a sea-skimming supersonic missle. I can't remember how supersonic, tho. I think the range was comparable to the Harpoon, however.

To me, Hypersonic sounds like it would have to be an upper-atmosphere missile...maybe diving striaght down on the target vessel? Can a Phalax Phalanx target something at 90 degrees?

Edited to correct exhaustion-induced typos, and general stupidity...LOL
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 4:01:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RyanAR15:
Sure, but the first sentance of the articles leads me to believe that it is an offensive missle system.


I tend to give more weight to what the air defense expert said. President's have been known to screw up info about weapons systems, RS-71 anyone?
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 4:03:12 PM EDT
We should buy it from them!
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 5:09:39 PM EDT
Time to warm up the "Reagan's Rayguns"
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 5:39:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LotBoy:
We should buy it from them!



+1

They sell anything to anyone, why not us? The Navy bought some super sonic ASMs for testing and training a few years ago. Wired up several old F-4's to fire the things!
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