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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:35:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2006 3:36:00 PM EST by KA3B]
Oct. 23, 2006

Russia to Deliver Su-33 Fighters to China



Russia’s state exporter of weapons, Rosoboronexport is completing negotiations to ship to China up to 50 Su-33 jet fighters for a total worth of $2.5 billion. If the deal is ever clinched, it will be the second biggest contract for export of Russia’s armaments.
Till late this year, China will buy in Russia two Su-33 jet fighters on trial for the aircraft carrier that is currently constructed. The deal value is around $100 million, sources close to negotiations said. Bound by the very tough confidential agreements on military cooperation, Rosoboronexport doesn’t comment on the talks.

But the sources say the contract will be sealed in December in Beijing. The aircraft will be constructed by Komsomolsk-on-Amur Production Association and tested by China at the ground range and at Varyag aircraft carrier that was acquired in Ukraine in 1999 and which construction is being completed now. Russia uses Su-33 only at Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier.

China intends to come up with its own aircraft carrier by 2010, equipping it with foreign jets. But it will probably attempt to design its own variant of Su-33 by using Russia's technology.

The agreed option provides for delivery of 12 more Su-33 jets. The consignment may widen to 48, stepping up the budget to $2.5 billion. Should it happen, it would be the second biggest military and technological contract of Russia, trailing in size only the $3-billion agreement for Su-30MKI license assembly in India.

“Theoretically, China can make aircraft. They have mastered license assembly of J-11, the actual Su-27SK. The question is how much it will cost and how efficient it will be in operation,” said Konstantin Makienko, an expert of Strategy and Technology Center.
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 3:35:37 PM EST
Guess it's not "China military day"....
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 4:27:01 AM EST
I wonder if any ex USN personnel will act as consultants for carrier operations/doctrine for the Chinese-this is something I could see Randy Cunningham doing after he gets out.
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 7:39:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2006 7:42:38 AM EST by Bostonterrier97]
Sukhoi 47








Specifications
Country of Origin:
Russia
Designer: Sukhoi
Modified and Produced by: Raysian Aerospace
Classification: Dogfighter
Wing Span: 54.7 ft
Length: 74.12 ft
Weight: 58,000 lb empty, 80,000 lb max take-off
Powerplant: Two Thrust-Vectoring Raysian Electric REPH-1100 Pulse-Detonation/Afterburning Jet Turbofan Hybrid engines.
.................Pulse-Det/Jet Hybrid Output Stats:
...........................No Afterburner: 25,000 lbs
...........................W/ Afterburner: 30,000 lbs
...........................Pulse Detonation: 35,000 lbs
Maximum speed: Mach 2.5 at 30,000 ft w/ Pulse Detonation
Cruising speed: Mach 0.9
Range: 2,400 km / 1,500 miles
Service Ceiling: 49,000 ft
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, 2 Raysian Arms QAAM Reloaders that hold 6 A2A Missiles each with a 30 Second reload time, plus up to 15,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on 4 Internal Bay Hardpoints and/or on a total of 8 retractable external hardpoints
Structure: Steel/Aluminum infrastructure, LiquidMetal/Steel/Kevlar Skin, along with several Semi-Stealth composites.
Price: 39 Million
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 7:43:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
Sukhoi 47
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Specifications
Country of Origin:
Russia
Designer: Sukhoi
Modified and Produced by: Raysian Aerospace
Classification: Dogfighter
Wing Span: 54.7 ft
Length: 74.12 ft
Weight: 58,000 lb empty, 80,000 lb max take-off
Powerplant: Two Thrust-Vectoring Raysian Electric REPH-1100 Pulse-Detonation/Afterburning Jet Turbofan Hybrid engines.
.................Pulse-Det/Jet Hybrid Output Stats:
...........................No Afterburner: 25,000 lbs
...........................W/ Afterburner: 30,000 lbs
...........................Pulse Detonation: 35,000 lbs
Maximum speed: Mach 2.5 at 30,000 ft w/ Pulse Detonation
Cruising speed: Mach 0.9
Range: 2,400 km / 1,500 miles
Service Ceiling: 49,000 ft
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, 2 Raysian Arms QAAM Reloaders that hold 6 A2A Missiles each with a 30 Second reload time, plus up to 15,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on 4 Internal Bay Hardpoints and/or on a total of 8 retractable external hardpoints
Structure: Steel/Aluminum infrastructure, LiquidMetal/Steel/Kevlar Skin, along with several Semi-Stealth composites.
Price: 39 Million


Do you see the Raptors in the background of the PICs?

One is in flames and pilot is in his chute and the other is coming around.
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 7:45:07 AM EST
Someone has to still fly those jets. And unless the Israelis train them again, they should be not that good.
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 8:01:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2006 8:31:19 AM EST by vito113]

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
Sukhoi 47



Will never enter service…

The Russians are developing a new generation of the SU-27, a Super Flanker.



MAKS emphasis is on renewed rather than new
By Henry Ivanov, JDW Correspondent, Moscow

The Russian International Aerospace Show (MAKS) in Zhukovsky, Moscow, from 19-24 August, will focus on technologies of four-plus and fifth-generation combat aircraft and upgrade solutions to third and fourth generations.

It is the inaugural appearance for the US Air Force - which is showing a B-52 bomber, a KC-135 tanker, a C-130 transport and pairs of F-15C, F-15E and F-16 fighters - adding new colour to a traditionally all-Russian and CIS affair.

MAKS' location at Russia's main test flight establishment, Gromov Flight Test Institute (LII), gives it a technologically sharper and more experimental edge than that found at most other shows. Numerous aircraft and technologies that are normally stationed at LII are rolled out for a focus on demonstration of technologies rather than trade and commerce.

Not a platform for order announcements, the show has been a powerful promotion tool for Russian aerospace equipment, particularly engines, avionics and sensors - a lot of which cannot be shown outside Russia.

One example is the Sukhoi S-37 'Berkut' experimental fifth-generation fighter. Russian Air Force-only aircraft such as Tupolev strategic bombers, including the Tu-22M3, will be displayed but not the Tu-160 or Tu-95.

There is not expected to be any grand unveiling of completely new aircraft types this year. However, expectations are high that some new unmanned air vehicles will be shown.

There are several new variants of in-service types, such as the Su-27SM, upgraded for the Russian Air Force. The Su-27SM includes glass cockpit and improved NIIP N-001 radar, which turns the single-seat aircraft from an interceptor into a multirole fighter with a choice of precision weapons, including Kh-25, Kh-29 and Kh-31 series air-to-surface missiles and KAB500 guided bombs.

The Su-27SM is based on design solutions trialled on the export Su-30MK series, notably the customised Chinese Su-30MKK. It uses an improved avionics package from Ramenskoye PKB originally developed for twin-seat aircraft.

Sukhoi is the largest exhibitor at MAKS. It has16 fighter and attack aircraft on display but, with the exception of the Su-47, all these are upgraded variants of in-service types. Among aircraft not yet displayed outside the country, there are the Su-27KUB (Su-33UB) twin-seat carrier multirole aircraft; Su-24 modified tactical bombers; Su-35UB twin-seat multirole fighter; and the Su-25SM attack aircraft. The Su-80GP turbo-prop, promoted as an armed sea and land patrol aircraft, will be flying in public for the first time after being a static display two years ago.

MAKS is a traditional platform for unveiling new anti-aircraft systems and Defense Systems is to display the Pechora-2M deep modernisation of the long-serving Almaz S-125 (NATO designation SA-3). There is a likelihood that the newest long-range surface-to-air missile, the Almaz S-400, will be displayed. Earlier this month it was announced that the system had successfully completed state acceptance trials.

This year's air show is expected to equal the previous MAKS in 2001 that attracted 537 companies from 34 countries, along with 80,000 trade visitors and 660,000 members of the public.

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ANdy
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 8:36:42 AM EST
I have a question. So lets say the USAF would like a few SU27s to fly aggressor roles. If they put in an order with the Russians would they deliver?

I cant see why not, they like the cash and its not like their technology is better then ours.
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 8:45:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By PePeLePew:
I have a question. So lets say the USAF would like a few SU27s to fly aggressor roles. If they put in an order with the Russians would they deliver?

I cant see why not, they like the cash and its not like their technology is better then ours.



Yes… they are open market except for the 'S' models IIRC.

ANdy
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 10:57:24 PM EST
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