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Posted: 9/3/2004 11:57:56 PM EST
I remember seeing somewhere that guns were outlawed in Russia. But hearign about the fathers that chased down the bad guys with hunting rifles made me question what I heard before. Anyone else know Russia's gun laws?
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 12:04:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/4/2004 12:04:55 AM EST by MisterFloppy]
From what I heard, all long guns including SBRs and full-auto are legal. Handguns are not.

Not sure if true or not.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 12:06:53 AM EST
I've only heard John Bunnell (the prick who hosts America's Most......police videos) comment on it and he says that Russians aren't allowed private arms.

Obviously if what we heard today is correct, then that isn't so. Perhaps some military snipers handed over their Dragunov sniper rifles to the victims family's with the simple instructions of "git some".

The term I heard described in the news stories was 'sporting rifles', which to me indicates scoped hunting rifles. Perhaps such weapons as those can be owned by civilians in Russia, whereas military style weapons and handguns cannot. I dunno. Whatever the case, I think this is the perfect example of why having something like the 2nd Amendment is crucial. In the war on terror, the frontlines are not some distant battlefield, but yet the streets of our hometowns. Whether we like it or not, we are also soldiers in this fight. Therefore we better always be ready. And we have to preserve the right that allows us the means to protect ourselves. The 2nd Amendment isn't about duck hunting or even personal protection. It is about giving the average citizen the means to deal with the enemies of our nation that seek to destroy us.

Good question though. I hope someone can answer.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 12:19:53 AM EST
Brief summary: Russian laws for civilians

No handguns, no full-auto. Very rare exception -- retired high-rank officers guns given in reward, usually such guns carry rich engraving and golden plates with officer name, congratulations, etc; it's only exception when civilian given license for the rest of life;
Anything designed with intentions to make a weapon is a weapon. E.g. iron rod from the nearest dump is not a weapon, but if you'll wrap one end with duct tape to make a handle, you'll make a weapon. Very fishy;
In fact, any tool able to obtain projectile energy more than 7,5 joules and caliber more than 4,5 mm counts as a firearm. Law on Weapons says "and" in the phrase about limitations on the muzzle energy and caliber, so in theory it's possible to design a 4 mm pneumatic gun with muzzle energy more than 7,5 joules, but another place in the law states: anything with muzzle energy more than 25 joules counts as firearm. Currently these rules about airguns are not strictly enforced. Sometimes I see "Diana", "Hunter" and other powerful airguns in gunshops. Alas, their price is far out of my reach :(
There are a lot of gas handguns, these silly and poor quality firearms with blade inside the barrel and tear gas ammunition. Mainly useless, because CS is too weak against drunk and half-drunk goblins. Some people believe in the "psychological" effect. Yeah. Require license, like license for hunting weapon. Loading anything except tear gas ammunition is prohibited (though some guys load salt or some small lead balls into blanks -- it's illegal and leads to losing license and serious troubles with law). License must be renewed every 5 years. Total expenses to obtain the license are around $80. Also, our law allows self-defense. That means if you'll draw a gas gun and will try to scare away crooks, they'll have a big chance to kill you ('cause these gas guns are weak) and get away with it in the court (you'll be unable to prove that you were defending party). That's why I carry UDAR and 4-cell Mag-Lite;
Shotguns and rifles available, but you need a license to buy and keep them. License can be obtained (if you don't have any criminal records) without problems, except price. This hobby eats hoards of money. But all weapons must be kept in the safe with gun and cartriges apart, and you can transport them only in the disassembled condition, so they are useless as tools of self-defense. Ugh. Well, there is a hole in the law :) "Saiga" shotguns (AK-like .410 and 20 ga) are "disassembled" when you remove magazine. So you can drop "Saiga" on the seat and hide magazines in the pocket. Everything is ok and you can always insert magazine pretty quickly. But transporting hunting weapons when season is closed is difficult and can put you in the trouble. Self-defense is not an excuse when it comes to firearms outside your home! Note, that you can keep shotgun at home for self-defense, but only on your own property, i.e. only in your flat. Steel entrace door and outer grating on windows protects better than License must be renewed every 5 years;
Tear gas and pepper spray are legal without any licenses;
Tasers and anything powered with electricity are prohibited, unless made in Russia. Our stun guns are lousy. Really. They are limited to max 60,000V and 1,5 joules (these numbers are not exact);
Rumor: Handcuffs requre license, obtainable only by security companies, etc; I saw some handcuffs available in the shop, but they were too crappy to hold a strong man. Fishy area;
Any bludgeoning weapon is a big no-no for civilian. There is a special entry in the Law on Weapons prohibiting any bludgeoning weapon;
Airguns outside of sport building or range are prohibited if their muzzle energy is more than 7,5 joules and caliber > 4.5mm, otherwise they doesn't require license. Hunting with airguns prohibited completely.

www.gunlab.com.ru/summary.html
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 12:43:32 AM EST
so its not much difrent from the PRK
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:06:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
I've only heard John Bunnell (the prick who hosts America's Most......police videos) comment on it and he says that Russians aren't allowed private arms.

Obviously if what we heard today is correct, then that isn't so. Perhaps some military snipers handed over their Dragunov sniper rifles to the victims family's with the simple instructions of "git some".

The term I heard described in the news stories was 'sporting rifles', which to me indicates scoped hunting rifles. Perhaps such weapons as those can be owned by civilians in Russia, whereas military style weapons and handguns cannot. I dunno. Whatever the case, I think this is the perfect example of why having something like the 2nd Amendment is crucial. In the war on terror, the frontlines are not some distant battlefield, but yet the streets of our hometowns. Whether we like it or not, we are also soldiers in this fight. Therefore we better always be ready. And we have to preserve the right that allows us the means to protect ourselves. The 2nd Amendment isn't about duck hunting or even personal protection. It is about giving the average citizen the means to deal with the enemies of our nation that seek to destroy us.

Good question though. I hope someone can answer.




Just remember that if that were to happen here and we chased them down and shot them we would be arrested for murder.
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